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Honestly I don't really find guys that talk like girls attractive, with the tone of voice and eveything. I mean, if I want to talk to a girl then I'll talk to a girl, not someone that tries hard to talk like a girl.

Also oh my fucking God:
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lunch

there's ALWAYS ONE
I really don't like making a list of things I want in a boyfriend because I feel it tends to close oneself off to new experiences and people you wouldn't think you'd get along with but do.
I was just about to post the same thing.
 

Ty4on

Member
Sorry for a poorly written and kinda dull post. You could instead listen to this awesome track I found in the rate VGM thread!
I personally feel like the woman he interviewed after. I have to question the tests, the samples, the questions, and how the research was conducted. You can't simply say "gay men are similar to women because of this test." It's only one test, we don't know what the questions were, or what group of people they were. Spacial math or some other area may not have been something the person understood well or was taught well in school. To note, the notion that men are more advanced in science and math is going to the way side as more young girls are showing better grades in both areas.

Simply put, I don't think there will ever be one attributing factor to sexuality, be it biologically or otherwise.

Also, what does "the same sexuality as women" even mean?

First I think I should have included this earlier quote that I guess I was mainly responding to:
If you're wondering why gay males would be attracted to feet when they have no desire to mate with women, think of this: You aren't born with a picture in your head of what to mate with. You just know the place where to look. This is why gay males are interested in the same areas as straight males, just on the male body. The penis and vagina are in the same place, same as ass, feet, chests and breasts.
I take from this that he says gay men have similar desires as straight men. I disagree which is why I stated I believed gay men were attracted to the same stuff as straight women. That's what I meant when I said "same sexuality", I ment stuff like same desires. Maybe I should have included straight as well when mentioning women.

He did go through gender roles in the first episode. The minister of equality (welcome to Norway :p ) also mentioned what you said that female students were better than male at every subject except PE. There are however still few female engineers and few male nurses even though we strive for equality. In NTNU (Norwegian University of Science and Technology) there's a huge push for female students with extra points for girls choosing male dominated fields.

In both videos a common argument against the reports, who cares? I don't know if this applies for you as well, but I do think many of them are afraid believing men and women come out different from the womb will make it easier to be sexist. I think it's also what the woman you said you agreed with was trying to say when she mentioned her childhood (yeah, I do agree that he interviewed them in a poor manner) about how no one prejudged her when she grew up. I understand this view. When I grew up I of course "knew" I was straight. My first word was the name of a car and I always played with the boys which made it that much more surprising to me when I put 2 and 2 together the first time I got the hint I was gay.

My argument is that there seems to be evidence to suggest men and women in general are different and I haven's seen any research on gay people suggesting otherwise either. I'd love to see if you have anything showing otherwise. I personally find this very interesting and would love to see more research at that and looking at possible reasons why a significant chunk of people are gay.

Please note that it's just a general assumption about men and women (and gay and straight). They mentioned something like 10% of the engineers where women and similar percentage when it came to male nurses, but low as that is it's still pretty significant. At the end of the day humans are still individual individuals regardless of what group the belong to and should be treated as such.
 

Alcoori

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Sorry for a poorly written and kinda dull post. You could instead listen to this awesome track I found in the rate VGM thread!


First I think I should have included this earlier quote that I guess I was mainly responding to:

I take from this that he says gay men have similar desires as straight men. I disagree which is why I stated I believed gay men were attracted to the same stuff as straight women. That's what I meant when I said "same sexuality", I ment stuff like same desires. Maybe I should have included straight as well when mentioning women.

He did go through gender roles in the first episode. The minister of equality (welcome to Norway :p ) also mentioned what you said that female students were better than male at every subject except PE. There are however still few female engineers and few male nurses even though we strive for equality. In NTNU (Norwegian University of Science and Technology) there's a huge push for female students with extra points for girls choosing male dominated fields.

In both videos a common argument against the reports, who cares? I don't know if this applies for you as well, but I do think many of them are afraid believing men and women come out different from the womb will make it easier to be sexist. I think it's also what the woman you said you agreed with was trying to say when she mentioned her childhood (yeah, I do agree that he interviewed them in a poor manner) about how no one prejudged her when she grew up. I understand this view. When I grew up I of course "knew" I was straight. My first word was the name of a car and I always played with the boys which made it that much more surprising to me when I put 2 and 2 together the first time I got the hint I was gay.

My argument is that there seems to be evidence to suggest men and women in general are different and I haven's seen any research on gay people suggesting otherwise either. I'd love to see if you have anything showing otherwise. I personally find this very interesting and would love to see more research at that and looking at possible reasons why a significant chunk of people are gay.

Please note that it's just a general assumption about men and women (and gay and straight). They mentioned something like 10% of the engineers where women and similar percentage when it came to male nurses, but low as that is it's still pretty significant. At the end of the day humans are still individual individuals regardless of what group the belong to and should be treated as such.

IMO the question is not whether men and women are different, the question is why they are different. Is it innate or is it mainly a societal construct?
I personally think it's the latter. I am in the scientific field and I can feel how much harder for women it is. Not in an intellectual sense, but regarding the expectations put on women as opposed to men. Women not only have to be good, but they have to be excellent. Men are often given a free pass, infuriatingly so.
 

Sai-kun

Banned
ideal boyfriend:

- has music taste that is not as good as mine so i can continue to be an elitist
- likes cats and hates pugs
- is crazy hot
- kinky
- makes puns
- hates halo as much as i do

the last one is really really super important to me and kind of a dealbreakerrrrrrr if he likes halo!

i am only 16.66~% serious because i hate pugs and cats are awesome and if u hate cats then i hate u!
 

Ty4on

Member
IMO the question is not whether men and women are different, the question is why they are different. Is it innate or is it mainly a societal construct?
I personally think it's the latter. I am in the scientific field and I can feel how much harder for women it is. Not in an intellectual sense, but regarding the expectations put on women as opposed to men. Women not only have to be good, but they have to be excellent. Men are often given a free pass, infuriatingly so.

No doubt this still happens. I mean in the "most equal country in the world" assumptions about women still exist in abundance.

Maybe a bit of a stretch, but if we imagine gay men and straight women generally share the same brain why are there then so many more gay gaffers than female? Really when it comes to gaming (shows on game sites and Bioshock Infinite cover art) the sexism is sickening.

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Some examples:
I like blue eyes as well, but you can barely see them in these pictures :/
 
ideal boyfriend:

- has music taste that is not as good as mine so i can continue to be an elitist
- likes cats and hates pugs
- is crazy hot
- kinky
- makes puns
- hates halo as much as i do

the last one is really really super important to me and kind of a dealbreakerrrrrrr if he likes halo!

i am only 16.66~% serious because i hate pugs and cats are awesome and if u hate cats then i hate u!

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mantidor

Member
It's so weird to have lists of qualities for a potential boyfriend, I'm open to pretty much anything, in fact I would prefer if he had widely different tastes. The only thing I can think of is for him to be as fond of me as I am of him, that would be all that is needed.
 

Rayis

Member
oh ideal boyfriend list, let me try

-is a gentleman who puts up with my bs and treats me like a princess
- he's a nerdy intelligent guy with a wide range of interests
- is friendly, outgoing and likes people (to offset my anti-socialness)
- has stubble and a hairy chest (yummy)
- is much more brave and less paranoid than I am
- down-to-earth
-sexually adventurous
- likes showing affection

uggghh, just listing stuff like this makes me incredibly excited, It's a bit too unrealistic but meh, it's my IDEAL boyfriend, doesn't mean I won't date anyone who doesn't fit this strict criteria.
 

Sai-kun

Banned

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It's so weird to have lists of qualities for a potential boyfriend, I'm open to pretty much anything, in fact I would prefer if he had widely different tastes. The only thing I can think of is for him to be as fond of me as I am of him, that would be all that is needed.

I don't think it's all that weird. There are certain hobbies and things I like doing, and I would enjoy sharing that with someone if they enjoyed it as well.

Honestly, the main things that I look for in people are a big interest in music (and concerts/festivals, because those are where I live), and an interest in gaming! Everything else (humor, interest in food, partying/clubbing, hatred of halo) is pretty nice to have, but kinda secondary to a good connection through music!
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Honestly, the main things that I look for in people are a big interest in music (and concerts/festivals, because those are where I live), and an interest in gaming! Everything else (humor, interest in food, partying/clubbing, hatred of halo) is pretty nice to have, but kinda secondary to a good connection through music!

Weren't you a big Halo fan before 4? I know you didn't like that one very much, but was it really enough to sour you on the entire franchise?
 
ideal boyfriend:

- has music taste that is not as good as mine so i can continue to be an elitist
- likes cats and hates pugs
- is crazy hot
- kinky
- makes puns
- hates halo as much as i do

the last one is really really super important to me and kind of a dealbreakerrrrrrr if he likes halo!

i am only 16.66~% serious because i hate pugs and cats are awesome and if u hate cats then i hate u!

Hi there :eek:
 

Sai-kun

Banned
Weren't you a big Halo fan before 4? I know you didn't like that one very much, but was it really enough to sour you on the entire franchise?

Yup, absolutely. I'm sure someone in here will note that I still play once or twice a week, but that's because it's the only game a lot of HaloGAFfers/online friends and I have in common, unfortunately :/ The game really is bad, and despite it having been out for 7 months and having had a couple patches, it just hasn't been enough, and I've basically come to terms with Halo 4 never being a game I will really enjoy playing, and it's definitely made me rethink any future purchases, and I will probably be renting Halo 5 instead of picking it up at midnight.

Damn that's depressing :|


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hey buddy ;)

edit: hey i changed my avatar because Little Boots owns and everyone should go listen to her new album Nocturnes and then listen to her first album, Hands, because they're the best.
 

Ty4on

Member
Shame the tumblr is so rarely updated nowadays, but there are some amazing pics in it.

Also, what the hell is happening to that poor girl? If it's from an ad I really struggle to see what :p
 

Sai-kun

Banned
She probably got hit by a bass cannon (dubstep warning lmfao)

can we bring back the fapotron please. it's not like we have a shortage of people willing to contribute, i think.
 

hateradio

The Most Dangerous Yes Man
I still don't see the connection you're trying to build between gay men and straight women's desires.

I think of paraphilias, fetishes, and interests such as particular body parts, as something ingrained to an individual, which do not span across a whole group. So I don't understand your process connecting foot fetishes, to desire, to women and gay men sharing similar desires. Unless you simply mean that both desire men, in which case . . . I guess that they do, indeed, share that in common.

However, I don't have any research to demonstrate regarding tests on gay men or others.


Anyway, from my POV, regarding the academic differences between men and women, I don't perceive those as being biological. That would be like saying a person from race X is compared to person of race Y in which the research concludes that because race X is biologically different, that race Y is less able to comprehend subject ABC. To me, those differences have been created socially, not biologically.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Yup, absolutely. I'm sure someone in here will note that I still play once or twice a week, but that's because it's the only game a lot of HaloGAFfers/online friends and I have in common, unfortunately :/ The game really is bad, and despite it having been out for 7 months and having had a couple patches, it just hasn't been enough, and I've basically come to terms with Halo 4 never being a game I will really enjoy playing, and it's definitely made me rethink any future purchases, and I will probably be renting Halo 5 instead of picking it up at midnight.

Damn that's depressing :|

Whoa. My Xbox just started working again (no XBL Gold though. fuck that mess) and I was looking forward to playing it. Guess I should temper my expectations a bit.


He would look so much better without those ugly (porn) star tattoos.
 

Ty4on

Member
I still don't see the connection you're trying to build between gay men and straight women's desires.

I think of paraphilias, fetishes, and interests such as particular body parts, as something ingrained to an individual, which do not span across a whole group. So I don't understand your process connecting foot fetishes, to desire, to women and gay men sharing similar desires. Unless you simply mean that both desire men, in which case . . . I guess that they do, indeed, share that in common.

However, I don't have any research to demonstrate regarding tests on gay men or others.

The individual is irrelevant. I think something like 10% of all males have a foot fetish. That's a group of people. I'm was also thinking mostly about what makes straight women attracted to men and if you could map various things (like symmetrical faces) and how gay men in any way differed. For me your view seems to be that gay men have a third (or fourth) sexuality that is unique to straight women's.
Anyway, from my POV, regarding the academic differences between men and women, I don't perceive those as being biological. That would be like saying a person from race X is compared to person of race Y in which the research concludes that because race X is biologically different, that race Y is less able to comprehend subject ABC. To me, those differences have been created socially, not biologically.
The problem with saying their created socially is that we've tried since the 80's to make women and men choose as equal as possible in Norway yet there's barely a difference in their choices. Sure, there are social causes, but I think it's very closed minded to say that can't be anything but social causes.

"That would be like saying a person from race X is compared to person of race Y in which the research concludes that because race X is biologically different, that race Y is less able to comprehend subject ABC"
The last ep ironically actually covered possible racial differences, but even if it is showed that Asian people have a 10% higher IQ that's still irrelevant when looking at an individual. It's why I wrote this at the last line.

"Please note that it's just a general assumption about men and women (and gay and straight). They mentioned something like 10% of the engineers where women and similar percentage when it came to male nurses, but low as that is it's still pretty significant. At the end of the day humans are still individual individuals regardless of what group the belong to and should be treated as such."
 
So since Mother's Day is coming up (In Mexico at least? idk) I've been reflecting over how much has changed since I came out to my Mom and she took it the wrong way, etc.

Things have definetly changed, now I just give her short answers when she asks me something, I just say "Uh-huh" at lot of times now. I used to get into long talks with her randomly which would most likely lead to arguements. Still, I used to think she had my back for everything and stuff, that I could tell her things that happened at school, now I don't say nothing at all. It is kind of sad, but in a way I feel much better now. I feel like I have a huge weight off my shoulders, I don't even know why since she still thinks I'm straight and thinks that guys kissing other guys is "Disgusting."

I still love her, she's my Mom, but I'd rather stay a little distant now. I don't blame her for the way she reacted, for the way she thinks about Homosexuallity, but I will not go back to thinking there's something wrong with me for being Gay. I'm done with that shit, I have accepted myself and I could careless now if they won't accept me.

All in all, it's crazy how much everything changed, how the way I saw things changed, how our relationship changed over the course of one month or something, lol.
 
I know people have probably masturbated looking at my pictures, but I never thought of anyone masturbating thinking about me. I've always maintained a clear mental separation between me as a real person and my pictures (which I consider to be largely "fiction")... *cough*
 

Replicant

Member
I know people have probably masturbated looking at my pictures, but I never thought of anyone masturbating thinking about me. I've always maintained a clear mental separation between me as a real person and my pictures (which I consider to be largely "fiction")... *cough*

What if that person knows you IRL? Wouldn't then that person actually knows you as a real person and therefore any fapping he'd do is based on the real you that he knows on a day to day basis. Enjoy!
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
I'm thinking of asking this guy out. It's been on my mind for quite sometime. I see him just about every morning on the bus going to the train station. He takes another bus at the station and I take the train into work. Sometimes on the bus I stand next to him and I have an urge to say hi. Unfortunately my gaydar doesn't work on Asian guys so I cannot tell if he is or isn't. Tomorrow I might try my luck I hope I can handle being shot down. He's my type. He has short hair he's about 5'5" lean. He does have tattoos on his arm but that's ok. I'm neither for or against it. I just need to find something to say to him after hi. I suppose my mind will think of something it's pretty good at doing that.
 
I dont know whats up with these star tattoos. I see so many gay guys with them. I think they look so stupid and total negate his hotness.

They seem to be popular with all guys, not just gay. I often see them with the same placement as that pic, as well as on the wrists or just between the abs and crotch area.
 

Alcoori

Member
The individual is irrelevant. I think something like 10% of all males have a foot fetish. That's a group of people. I'm was also thinking mostly about what makes straight women attracted to men and if you could map various things (like symmetrical faces) and how gay men in any way differed. For me your view seems to be that gay men have a third (or fourth) sexuality that is unique to straight women's.

The problem with saying their created socially is that we've tried since the 80's to make women and men choose as equal as possible in Norway yet there's barely a difference in their choices. Sure, there are social causes, but I think it's very closed minded to say that can't be anything but social causes.


The last ep ironically actually covered possible racial differences, but even if it is showed that Asian people have a 10% higher IQ that's still irrelevant when looking at an individual. It's why I wrote this at the last line.

I really don't think you can undo hundred of years of societal construct in just about 30 years. Moreover, you can't expect equality in academic fields without having society as a whole rebuilt for a more egalitarian view. I'm not saying it's easy and I have no idea how that would be done, but at least being aware of the bias that exists is a start.

Now, showing that Asian people have a 10% higher IQ doesn't imply causation on that ethnicity's predisposition to being more clever. Besides, it could very well be (and most likely is) due to education. I believe that the IQ number can be improved with training and there is a culture of hard-work and being studious inherited from the Confucius philosophy. I have no idea how that could be tested for, but I don't think that predisposition to be better at one subject is a gender or ethnicity trait (although I do acknowledge that some people are predisposed to it, regardless of their background).



So since Mother's Day is coming up (In Mexico at least? idk) I've been reflecting over how much has changed since I came out to my Mom and she took it the wrong way, etc.

Things have definetly changed, now I just give her short answers when she asks me something, I just say "Uh-huh" at lot of times now. I used to get into long talks with her randomly which would most likely lead to arguements. Still, I used to think she had my back for everything and stuff, that I could tell her things that happened at school, now I don't say nothing at all. It is kind of sad, but in a way I feel much better now. I feel like I have a huge weight off my shoulders, I don't even know why since she still thinks I'm straight and thinks that guys kissing other guys is "Disgusting."

I still love her, she's my Mom, but I'd rather stay a little distant now. I don't blame her for the way she reacted, for the way she thinks about Homosexuallity, but I will not go back to thinking there's something wrong with me for being Gay. I'm done with that shit, I have accepted myself and I could careless now if they won't accept me.

All in all, it's crazy how much everything changed, how the way I saw things changed, how our relationship changed over the course of one month or something, lol.

Well I'm both sorry to hear that and glad that you feel that a weight has been lifted off of your shoulders.
All I can say is that maybe with time things will improve, at least I sincerely hope so.
One thing that maybe will help you is that you can love someone but not like them. I know a lot of people struggle with the concept of having to love their family even if they are being abusive and manipulative (not that that's necessarily the case here) and understanding that liking and enjoying someone can be separated from loving them (as a member of your family) can maybe bring some peace.
 
Not a big fan of tattoos, but the one thing that ruins an otherwise hot guy almost every time for me is ear rings/piercings. I don't know why I'm such a prude when it comes to that... I think I mostly just hate it in porn though.
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
I guess I'll ask this here. In my last post I stated I am considering asking a guy out I've seen on the bus so now at work I have different scenarios running around in my head about what to say and do. I'm all kinds of nervous

I was wonder if anyone here experienced a total stranger asking you out on the street or outside somewhere?
 
I'm thinking of asking this guy out. It's been on my mind for quite sometime. I see him just about every morning on the bus going to the train station. He takes another bus at the station and I take the train into work. Sometimes on the bus I stand next to him and I have an urge to say hi. Unfortunately my gaydar doesn't work on Asian guys so I cannot tell if he is or isn't. Tomorrow I might try my luck I hope I can handle being shot down. He's my type. He has short hair he's about 5'5" lean. He does have tattoos on his arm but that's ok. I'm neither for or against it. I just need to find something to say to him after hi. I suppose my mind will think of something it's pretty good at doing that.
Hope all goes well! HIs Tats could certainly Spark a conversation that he might be willing to talk about. Maybe he has a few more that you can't see He'll be willing to show lol
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
Hope all goes well! HIs Tats could certainly Spark a conversation that he might be willing to talk about. Maybe he has a few more that you can't see He'll be willing to show lol

Thanks. I didn't think of the tattoos I cannot see. Now I am sort of excited. I'm just going to ask him so I can least know I tried.
 
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