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[Kyon]

Because in the straight and gay media the "guy next door" is almost always a white guy with a nice smile who everyone generally likes. It's the same with "all American guy" type.

Things tend become boring and generic when they're all you see.

It's less a matter of demeaning other people's tastes and more about the fact that posting a wall of photos that are supposed to be rated despite the fact that each person photographed is a young, bearded, white guy makes the thread dull and has become part of its cycle.

I like the people who post in this thread, and I wish there was more of a discussion occurring instead of endless picture rating. This is now the fourth gay thread. At this point, everybody knows about every other poster's taste in men, and maybe we don't need to keep rating and having arguments about it.

Drag it

 

[RM8]

Oh the horror of people having different taste

 

[Naked Snake]

It's less a matter of demeaning other people's tastes and more about the fact that posting a wall of photos that are supposed to be rated despite the fact that each person photographed is a young, bearded, white guy makes the thread dull and has become part of its cycle.

I like the people who post in this thread, and I wish there was more of a discussion occurring instead of endless picture rating. This is now the fourth gay thread. At this point, everybody knows about every other poster's taste in men, and maybe we don't need to keep rating and having arguments about it.

I started posting in this thread relatively recently (never in the previous ones), and frankly I haven't seen many "walls of pics to be rated" (in fact I don't recall any, except the one I started above). Also I'm not familiar with other poster's taste in men (except that neojubei likes Asians).

There is far more discussion in this thread than pic posting from what I've seen.

Personally, I think there's a lot to unpack when it comes to how and why certain preferences become established.

I know it may not seem directly relevant, but a model named Cameron Russell gave a TED talk last year about her experience in the modelling industry. During this she quoted a statistic that, "in 2007... of the 677 models that were hired, only 27, or less than four percent, were non-white". At least in the West, I don't see how it would be controversial to state that being white (or, failing that, fair-skinned) is an aesthetic advantage - being Caucasian is a privilege, and many people are disadvantaged for not sharing that.

I've watched that talk. And I don't think anybody denies that white people are treated preferentially in many societies, but I don't see how this is a valid rebuttal to what's going on here. You're saying since many white people are racist, then reverse racism is OK?

Ultimately, you are merely stating a preference, and to a degree that's non-problematic. But at the same time, I think there is a problem when people say that they like the "guy next door" look, and then proceed to post several pictures of all-white men, not least because I think it's unrealistic. I would love to know if there are any statistics on this, but what percentage of "guys next door" are non-white? I imagine quite a lot.

Plus, while the focus may be on looks here, ultimately the concept of the "guy next door" is more than that - it suggests a somewhat soft, chummy feel that is as much about character than it is about anything else. So why is it that, if only implicitly, non-white men are excluded from these characterisations?

First of all I didn't claim to have posted pictures of guys who have a "guy next door" look. Again you seem to be misreading my posts. I simply don't have pics of guys who I'd call "next door" saved on my computer that are not porn or people I know personally, neither of which I can post. It's no surprise that most other SFW internet pics I happen to have saved are of professional models.

Lastly, the only people who said "guy next door" means exclusively white are the ones complaining. I said I've been finding middle eastern guys attractive, and Rm88~ posted pics of the Japanese dude.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Why is it that the people who are always complaining about this sort of thing are never the ones to actually post pics? If you're bothered by the fact that people are only posting pics of white guys, then post some pics of the kinds of guys you think are hot. Be the change you want to see in the thread.

 

[Kangi]

Why is it that the people who are always complaining about this sort of thing are never the ones to actually post pics? If you're bothered by the fact that people are only posting pics of white guys, then post some pics of the kinds of guys you think are hot. Be the change you want to see in the thread.

It's easier to sit on the sideline and complain.

Also I'm not familiar with other poster's taste in men (except that neojubei likes Asians).

Delio likes twinks, neojubei likes Asians, RatskyWatsky likes anything, Rm88 likes thin and scruffy guys (I think?), and... the rest, I'm not sure. I usually just memorize the rest from their avatars. *cough*

Oh, and I like guys who look like this:

 

[RM8]

and Rm88~ posted pics of the Japanese dude.

And two Mexicans

 

[gerg]

I've watched that talk. And I don't think anybody denies that white people are treated preferentially in many societies, but I don't see how this is a valid rebuttal to what's going on here. You're saying since many white people are racist, then reverse racism is OK?

I don't think that people calling out white privilege is "reverse racism".

First of all I didn't post claim to have posted pictures of guys who have a "guy next door" look. Again you seem to be misreading my posts.

I never claimed that you particularly were talking about the "guy next door" aesthetic. (In fact, I was very careful not to.) I replied to your post in particular because you seemed to be questioning why this was a matter worth discussing.

Why is it that the people who are always complaining about this sort of thing are never the ones to actually post pics? If you're bothered by the fact that people are only posting pics of white guys, then post some pics of the kinds of guys you think are hot. Be the change you want to see in the thread.

I'd rather this thread were less about posting pics in general. There are lots of issues to do with gay identity that I'd personally like to explore.

 

[RM8]

There are lots of issues to do with gay identity that I'd personally like to explore,

Then post about it?

 

[B-Dex]

Here's some Asian beefcake:

 

[Kangi]

Discussion in this thread has dropped like a rock since we went to community. All of us here would love to talk about whatever subject is brought up, I'm sure. Just bloody post about it; we're not going to spontaneously have conversations about something you want to hear about unless you give us a reason to.

 

[gerg]

Then post about it?

I did, and still do. A while back I talked about body dysmorphia within the gay community, and people seemed to ignore the posts. More recently I linked to an article about how usage of sites like Grindr can cause people anxiety, and to be fair that did spark some discussion. Now I'm trying to discuss how white privilege informs people's conceptions of beauty.

 

[Naked Snake]

Then post about it?

Thread is often slow as molasses. Any new posts to keep it going is good if you ask me, but some will complain when they don't like what you post, and yet they don't bother posting what they like to see posted...

 

[neojubei]

I don't think I'd leave my house if I was dating him. Why is it so hard to find a guy...

Is it NSFW to talk about rimjobs not the act itself but preference?

 

[Naked Snake]

Oh, and I like guys who look like this:

He looks underage. How old are you?

Here's some Asian beefcake:

I'd totally do him.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Says the guy with the white boy avatar...

Why do we have to talk down on other people's preferences in this thread? It seems to be a recurring theme when white guys are admired.

Snake pls Nero is not super boring

I did not mean to talk down anyone's preference. At all. I just said that the definition of a "guy next door" was just some white guy.

 

[neojubei]

I would love to date this guy. Jesus dat ass

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I'd rather this thread were less about posting pics in general. There are lots of issues to do with gay identity that I'd personally like to explore.

I mean, it can be both. We can post pics and we can talk about whatever issues people want to talk about. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

What kinds of gay identity issues do you want to talk to people about?

 

[Kangi]

Why do we have to talk down on other people's preferences in this thread?

He looks underage. How old are you?

...I hate you.

 

[daripad]

Don't fight people!











Who am I kidding? I enjoy these fights. The people complaining that they don't post here frequently because what we all do is talk about guys/sex are exactly the ones that never bring a subject to talk about and drop their posts once in a lifetime and when they
post is just the same complaints they always have.


Now let's move on to something else. I find annoying when people confuses homosexuality with transgender and transexuality (is more common with the use of the gay word). I mean, those concepts are very simple but still the majority don't get them and confuses us.

As an example, some people think that just
because you dress like a girl you are
automatically gay, which is not true because we already know that some crossdresser like women and not men.

But the point is, do you think that this problem can be solved through sexual education as years go on or is this going to remain as strong as it is actually?

 

[gerg]

I mean, it can be both. We can post pics and we can talk about whatever issues people want to talk about. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

What kinds of gay identity issues do you want to talk to people about?

I'm on my phone now (and hopefully will soon be asleep), so see my previous post for a start.

 

[Naked Snake]

...I hate you.

Hahaha!

I'm sorry


I only mentioned it due to it potentially being illegal. But you made me realize that I've been conditioned to cry foul if legal boundaries are crossed even though I personally think that a lot of laws are bullshit and unjust.

 

[neojubei]

My hard drive are so filled with Asian guys I doubt I can post all my pics here. Personally I doubt I could be with a guy who isn't Asian. I guess I could but my sex drive would take a nose dive. Sucks there are so few Asian/Black gay relationships.


Anyone honestly think there is someone for everyone? I feel like its a lie for people who are not in any relationship.


As for the who,e guy next door white guy thing being boring. It's not about other people's preference but more so how gay men are portrayed in the gay media. Everywhere you look in this gay community white guys are the defacto sexual thing to want. When you are guys who are not white and seeing that everywhere it is boring. Not to mention most Asian and Black gay men I've met in school only wanted white guys.

 

[scarlet]

Delio likes twinks, neojubei likes Asians, RatskyWatsky likes anything, Rm88 likes thin and scruffy guys (I think?), and... the rest, I'm not sure. I usually just memorize the rest from their avatars. *cough*

I like bear/beefy/stocky/muscular older guys.
But lately i'm really into asian bear.

I'll will post some pics later.

 

[Kangi]

I only mentioned it due to it potentially being illegal. But you made me realize that I've been conditioned to cry foul if legal boundaries are crossed even though I personally think that a lot of laws are bullshit and unjust.

I know the guy in the picture's name. As far as I know, he's married (to a woman, unfortunately for my fantasies). Either way, I don't believe it's illegal to post a shirtless picture of someone underage; not that I'd do so.

I just like young-looking guys. 18-25. That's my age range, so I'm not some time of creep. My tastes will probably change to reflect my age when I grow older; if not, well, I'll just get an Asian boyfriend. They'll look young until they're 60. =p

 

[Blood Diamonds]

I never thought Asians were hot until I played Sleeping Dogs.

 

[Kangi]

I never thought Asians were hot until I played Sleeping Dogs.

I wanted to play that game (and download the clothing pack that includes a fundoshi *cough*), but the demo gave me a horrible impression of it. Movement that's stilted, constant crass language just for the sake of "Look how edgy this game is!", and a combat system that's just "punch punch punch, press <x> if an enemy glows red".

 

[Ty4on]

Now let's move on to something else. I find annoying when people confuses homosexuality with transgender and transexuality (is more common with the use of the gay word). I mean, those concepts are very simple but still the majority don't get them and confuses us.

As an example, some people think that just
because you dress like a girl you are
automatically gay, which is not true because we already know that some crossdresser like women and not men.

But the point is, do you think that this problem can be solved through sexual education as years go on or is this going to remain as strong as it is actually?

That's an interesting topic. The causes of homosexuality, transexuality etc. fascinate me because we don't know, we just have some clues. Anyone have good concrete info on this? By that I don't mean what one person thinks because I have enough of that in threads and my head.

Snake pls Nero is not super boring

I did not mean to talk down anyone's preference. At all. I just said that the definition of a "guy next door" was just some white guy.

Guy next door has nothing to do with being white, it's simply what it says, a regular guy. If you look up girl next door you get this:

A regular, typical girl, as opposed to a superstar.

I like bear/beefy/stocky/muscular older guys.
But lately i'm really into asian bear.

I'll will post some pics later.

Fuck discussion. You need to post lot's of pics

I'm on my phone now (and hopefully will soon be asleep), so see my previous post for a start.

I've got to sleep too -_-

I wanted to play that game (and download the clothing pack that includes a fundoshi *cough*), but the demo gave me a horrible impression of it. Movement that's stilted, constant crass language just for the sake of "Look how edgy this game is!", and a combat system that's just "punch punch punch, press <x> if an enemy glows red".

I think I need that game now...
BTW, hot men are a great reason to game on PC

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Now let's move on to something else. I find annoying when people confuses homosexuality with transgender and transexuality (is more common with the use of the gay word). I mean, those concepts are very simple but still the majority don't get them and confuses us.

But the point is, do you think that this problem can be solved through sexual education as years go on or is this going to remain as strong as it is actually?

I think more education is the way to go. It is only through education that ignorance can be conquered!

I admit that even I, an incredibly knowledgeable sex guru/sexuality expert, get confused when it comes to trans issues. Someone in this thread once posted a picture (this may have actually been for something entirely different) that explained all the differences, but I can't find the post.

 

[Kangi]

Edit: That's why you game on PC

It was the Steam demo. >>

Someone in this thread once posted a picture (this may have actually been for something entirely different) that explained all the differences, but I can't find the post.

Genderbread man?

 

[Ty4on]

It was the Steam demo. >>

I was talking about mods and posted too early

Edit: At first I thought the fundoshi was a mod.

 

[RM8]

When you guys feel too emo about your weird undying years-long straight crushes and other mundane stuff, just imagine how hard trans people have it in comparison to us. Honestly I'm overwhelmed by all the crap they have to go through I'm not minimizing homo issues at all, but to say it doesn't paint a broader perspective on struggling minorities would be false. I've -never- experienced homophobia in my 25 years of life, in big part because I'm free to not be open about my sexuality to whoever I don't want to know about it. It's pretty much a "gay privilege" if you think about it.

 

[neojubei]

Would it be good if there was a magic pill to turn gay men straight? I'm watch Hard Pill again and I feel so much like that main character. If there was pill to cure gays I would take it. Who wants to be old gay and alone for the rest of their lives?

 

[Kangi]

When you guys feel too emo about your weird undying years-long straight crushes and other mundane stuff, just imagine how hard trans people have it in comparison to us. Honestly I'm overwhelmed by all the crap they have to go through

Now imagine being a transgender, black, Muslim, lesbian girl.

Conservatives would treat you like the devil incarnate.

I've -never- experienced homophobia in my 25 years of life,

You're pretty lucky, then.

 

[B-Dex]

Would it be good if there was a magic pill to turn gay men straight? I'm watch Hard Pill again and I feel so much like that main character. If there was pill to cure gays I would take it. Who wants to be old gay and alone for the rest of their lives?

Well with that way of thinking you will be lol.

 

[VICTORsaurio]

Would it be good if there was a magic pill to turn gay men straight? I'm watch Hard Pill again and I feel so much like that main character. If there was pill to cure gays I would take it. Who wants to be old gay and alone for the rest of their lives?

Would you rather be old straight and alone?

 

[Alrus]

Would it be good if there was a magic pill to turn gay men straight? I'm watch Hard Pill again and I feel so much like that main character. If there was pill to cure gays I would take it. Who wants to be old gay and alone for the rest of their lives?

I love my boyfriend to much to take that kind of pill. Don't know what I would do if I was single though. But really, being straight won't magically make you find love so that's kind of a meh reason.

 

[neojubei]

Had one stance of homophobia when I was in college. I was on the red line in Boston with a friend of mine and he is very feminine very so when he got to his stop we hugged and he got off the train. Not even a second after he left some ugly ghetto beast of a girl start calling me the f word. I just sat in my seat and put my headphones on.

Would you rather be old straight and alone?

Well with that way of thinking you will be lol.

I love my boyfriend to much to take that kind of pill. Don't know what I would do if I was single though. But really, being straight won't magically make you find love so that's kind of a meh reason.

Well I look at my straight friend and how he is talking about marrying a girl he met on okcupid. They have been dating for two years. He is a bit heavy, and has head scars from many surgeries to his brain and scars on his body too. This girl looks past all of that. In the gay world if you are not a certain height weight ratio, race and or dick size then no wants you.


And in the move Hard Pill the guy undergoes the process of being straight and he does find a girlfriend, but his gay friend ruins his life and chances. Seeing the main character get rejected in the gay club and ditched by his gay friend is so damn similar to what I've been through.

 

[scarlet]

Would it be good if there was a magic pill to turn gay men straight? I'm watch Hard Pill again and I feel so much like that main character. If there was pill to cure gays I would take it. Who wants to be old gay and alone for the rest of their lives?

I don't mind being gay and old.
But i don't wanna be alone.

 

[daripad]

When you guys feel too emo about your weird undying years-long straight crushes and other mundane stuff, just imagine how hard trans people have it in comparison to us. Honestly I'm overwhelmed by all the crap they have to go through I'm not minimizing homo issues at all, but to say it doesn't paint a broader perspective on struggling minorities would be false. I've -never- experienced homophobia in my 25 years of life, in big part because I'm free to not be open about my sexuality to whoever I don't want to know about it. It's pretty much a "gay privilege" if you think about it.

Yeah, they have it very hard not only in the dating game but also with their families, jobs, etc. Their lives can get really awful by changing their gender/sex (depending on what they are) and they are heavily discriminated. You don't know how much cruel things I've heard against these groups, it is very scary.

But hey, don't deny that we have it difficult, as we still have to keep our sexual preference in secret if we want to live peacefully. As you said, you haven't been victim of homophobia but that may be because of different factors like where you live, culture, costumes on your family, etc. Some other people are not as lucky as you and are seen as the scum in the world. It all depends on what kind of people is around you and how opem you are about what you like.

I think more education is the way to go. It is only through education that ignorance can be conquered!

I admit that even I, an incredibly knowledgeable sex guru/sexuality expert, get confused when it comes to trans issues. Someone in this thread once posted a picture (this may have actually been for something entirely different) that explained all the differences, but I can't find the post.

Yeah, I was in the same spot, but these topics are really interesting and my sexuality class I have last semester made me see the world in a different way. It opened my eyes to see gow different we all are abd that our sexuality defines us as the people we are.

I do think that education is the only tool we have to make it clear that we are different from others and we are not in the same category. I hope that in the future this trend changes and we start seeing more accepting people, and knowing about sexuality not only in the act of having sex makes you think differently.

That's an interesting topic. The causes of homosexuality, transexuality etc. fascinate me because we don't know, we just have some clues. Anyone have good concrete info on this? By that I don't mean what one person thinks because I have enough of that in threads and my h

I wasn't talking about that but hey, it is interesting indeed. I feel like it is a mistery and not clear enough to this day. More research in the future could lead us to fibally knowing this but as of now I don't kbow what exactly causes this.

 

[Ty4on]

When you guys feel too emo about your weird undying years-long straight crushes and other mundane stuff, just imagine how hard trans people have it in comparison to us. Honestly I'm overwhelmed by all the crap they have to go through I'm not minimizing homo issues at all, but to say it doesn't paint a broader perspective on struggling minorities would be false. I've -never- experienced homophobia in my 25 years of life, in big part because I'm free to not be open about my sexuality to whoever I don't want to know about it. It's pretty much a "gay privilege" if you think about it.

It must be great for many of them to finally feel like they are who they are and show it off to friends and family, but if coming out can be this awkward I couldn't imagine how changing gender would be. Not to mention people accept them a lot less.

Would it be good if there was a magic pill to turn gay men straight? I'm watch Hard Pill again and I feel so much like that main character. If there was pill to cure gays I would take it. Who wants to be old gay and alone for the rest of their lives?

Lot's of old straight people living alone. Probably a lot more living in a relationship they hate. If you want to take that pill it sort of means you want to be someone else.

 

[neojubei]

It must be great for many of them to finally feel like they are who they are and show it off to friends and family, but if coming out can be this awkward I couldn't imagine how changing gender would be. Not to mention people accept them a lot less.

Lot's of old straight people living alone. Probably a lot more living in a relationship they hate. If you want to take that pill it sort of means you want to be someone else.

Yes! It would be a fing huge relief not to be attracted to guys that will 100% reject you, not have to hid all the time, not to have to BS my way around conversations about women in the office.

 

[Naked Snake]

I know the guy in the picture's name. As far as I know, he's married (to a woman, unfortunately for my fantasies). Either way, I don't believe it's illegal to post a shirtless picture of someone underage; not that I'd do so.

I just like young-looking guys. 18-25. That's my age range, so I'm not some time of creep. My tastes will probably change to reflect my age when I grow older; if not, well, I'll just get an Asian boyfriend. They'll look young until they're 60. =p

Oh wow he's married. My Asian age-detector is obviously broken. And I didn't mean the posting of shirtless pics of someone who's underage is illegal, but rather the act of having sex with them.

I like young guys too, and I find 18 to 25 to be the hottest, although I find some 18/19 year olds to be too young looking, and generally I tend to find them hotter the closer to 25 they are (luckily and to my disbelief most guys contacting me on Grindr seem to be 24/25)... and I'm 34. GAF told me a couple of months ago it's not creepy as long as they're consenting adults.

I was talking about mods and posted too early

Edit: At first I thought the fundoshi was a mod.

So is the fundoshi a mod or official? I can't find any pics of it.

 

[Mystic Theurge]

Well I look at my straight friend and how he is talking about marrying a girl he met on okcupid. They have been dating for two years. He is a bit heavy, and has head scars from many surgeries to his brain and scars on his body too. This girl looks past all of that. In the gay world if you are not a certain height weight ratio, race and or dick size then no wants you.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Straight people have difficulty finding love too. Numerous GAF threads attest to that.

 

[Ty4on]

Yes! It would be a fing huge relief not to be attracted to guys that will 100% reject you, not have to hid all the time, not to have to BS my way around conversations about women in the office.

Changing sexuality wouldn't fix homophobia.

So is the fundoshi a mod or official? I can't find any pics of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRudrQChdsc
Gangland DLC pack.

 

[RM8]

Straight people divorce like there's no tomorrow (well, people who get married divorce like there's no tomorrow, period). Being old and lonely is hardly a gay thing. BTW being single doesn't equal being alone or lonely or miserable, lol, you're doing it wrong if you think you are not happy because of the lack of a romantic relationship.

 

[neojubei]

Straight people divorce like there's no tomorrow (well, people who get married divorce like there's no tomorrow, period). Being old and lonely is hardly a gay thing. BTW being single doesn't equal being alone or lonely or miserable, lol, you're doing it wrong if you think you are not happy because of the lack of a romantic relationship.

I'll have a greater better chance at married life being straight than being gay. Least I won't have straight crushes anymore if I was straight

 

[Naked Snake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRudrQChdsc

Nice, thanks! But is he always tattooed like that?

 

[Alcoori]

Anyone honestly think there is someone for everyone? I feel like its a lie for people who are not in any relationship.

I do yes. I actually think they are several someones for everyone. I don't subscribe to the soul-mate theory, but I do think there are a few people in this world with whom you can be very happy.
The problem now is to be in a place where you are willing to not only recognize them, but to let them in.

GAF told me a couple of months ago it's not creepy as long as they're consenting adults.

It's not illegal, but it can still be creepy. Honestly I have a hard time understanding relationships with extreme age difference. I mean, sex is one thing, but 18yo in a serious relationships with 35+yo? What are the talking about? I've talked to a few 18 yo and these kids are in a totally different place in their lives and I'm "only" 28!

I just do not get it.
As you get older, it's less of a problem though, I could see a 28yo with a 40yo. At this point they both have worked for a few years and are more likely to be in the same headspace. But 18 and 35? What?

 

[Ty4on]

Nice, thanks! But is he always tattooed like that?

Have no idea, but I think the pack comes with tattoos so hopefully you can tone them down.

Thread is actually moving just as I start moving back to Uni and work ›.‹
Godnight for real this time. Wrnting on the Vita is tiresome...

Edit: Hehe, soulmate theory

 

[soco]

I like the people who post in this thread, and I wish there was more of a discussion occurring instead of endless picture rating. This is now the fourth gay thread. At this point, everybody knows about every other poster's taste in men, and maybe we don't need to keep rating and having arguments about it.

I agree with this. I'm confused why people still post pictures here _this_ often. isn't that what tumblr is for?