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LGBThread |OT3| Friends of Dorothy!

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Sai-kun

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Aww, thanks love. :3 I'll admit to a little of it being the desire to look at her lovely face all day, but...

Though I just discovered Marina literally yesterday, upon enduring 2 hours of a terrible movie that was pretty much only worth it to hear the song "Numb" right at the end (though so worth it!), I've just been listening to her first album nonstop since. The instrumentation, vocals, and even lyrics, which I ignore in almost all songs ever, are just so perfectly aligned as to touch all of my buttons.

I too afraid to even get near Electra Heart right now because I don't want to burn through all her material too fast. ~_~

Definitely give yourself a little more time with TFJ before you check out Electra Heart. It's pretty different production-wise, and TFJ is literally perfect.

Welcome to the club, diamond :D
 

Mark1

Member
Mark1: I don't think there's exactly a fixed schedule. I mean, I'm likely to ask someone out immediately, but if you don't want to be as silly as that maybe see how it's going after a week?
I think the longest amount of time for me to wait would be 3 weeks. I would talk to him for a bit, see if he gets along with me well.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Where is it more appropriate to use a term that's described as 'clinical', than in a clinic :p

I never use clinical words, not even in clinics!

Partner is a more formal word, so I can see why some may wish to use in more formal circumstances.

It's, like, the opposite of formal when the doctor is feeling up my balls and asking about my sexual history. I think he can handle hearing me use the words "boyfriend" or "husband".

We're seeing each other later this week, he's cooking me dinner. I'm quite sure it's time we check in with each other and have a talk about our expectations and what we think we want out of this. I'm not sure however whether I should bring up the hook up (in a humorous way) or just not say anything about it.

Anyway, was wondering what you guys thought about this.

Whatever you do, be sure to thank him for cooking you dinner. That is/was nice of him.
 

bsej87

Member
Anyway, was wondering what you guys thought about this.

I'd say its best to at least talk about your expectations and make sure you agree about your situation, whatever that may be. I'm inclined to say go ahead and bring up the hook up and just say how you feel about it and that you just wanted to put everything on the table for clarity's sake. I imagine beating around the bush could end up being more awkward if you start having the conversation only for him to eventually figure out it was caused by the hook up.
 

Dead Man

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10410197

Abstract

The relation between sexual orientation and penile dimensions in a large sample of men was studied. Subjects were 5122 men interviewed by the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender, and Reproduction from 1938 to 1963. They were dichotomously classified as either homosexual (n = 935) or heterosexual (n = 4187). Penile dimensions were assessed using five measures of penile length and circumference from Kinsey's original protocol. On all five measures, homosexual men reported larger penises than did heterosexual men. Explanations for these differences are discussed, including the possibility that these findings provide additional evidence that variations in prenatal hormonal levels (or other biological mechanisms affecting reproductive structures) affect sexual orientation development.

Just saying....
 

Hige

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935 out of 5122 were classified as homosexual? I wonder what classification criteria they were using since that's over 18%.
 

GothPunk

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I think I remember reading that Kinsey's sample of gay men was biased because it included a lot of porn stars or something, that skewed the results towards gay men being larger, when in reality they are not. And for some reason no-one seems to have tried to replicate the results by Kinsey. So it's probably bullshit.

935 out of 5122 were classified as homosexual? I wonder what classification criteria they were using since that's over 18%.
It wasn't a sample of people taken from the wider population, more gay men were just selected for inclusion.
 

bsej87

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Sexual orientation was classified according to the following criteria. Men were classified as homosexual if they reported “extensive” homosexual experience, defined by Gebhard and Johnson (1979) as more than 20 male sexual partners or more than 50 homosexual experiences (with one or more partners). Men were classified as heterosexual if they met two criteria: (i) they reported either “no” or “rare” homosexual experience, the latter defined by Gebhard and Johnson (1979) as 1 male sexual partner and/or 1–5 homosexual experiences, and (ii) they did not respond that they experienced “much” or “some” sexual arousal to questions about sexual arousal from seeing and thinking of other males. Using these criteria, 891 cases could not be classified as either heterosexual or homosexual. Of the remaining 5122 cases, 935 were classified as homosexual and 4187 were classified as heterosexual.

Also, don't get too excited. While it was statistically significant (but hell if I trust self-reports of penis length), the means were 6.46 vs 6.14, so not a huge numerical difference.
 

mantidor

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I think I remember reading that Kinsey's sample of gay men was biased because it included a lot of porn stars or something, that skewed the results towards gay men being larger, when in reality they are not. And for some reason no-one seems to have tried to replicate the results by Kinsey. So it's probably bullshit.

It wasn't a sample of people taken from the wider population, more gay men were just selected for inclusion.

Well Kinsey didn't ask people if they were gay, he asked specific things like having had a sexual experience with someone of the same sex at least once for instance, so the numbers don't reflect really people who identify as gay or who are strongly attracted to the same sex.

Kinsey's numbers proved more than anything that bisexuality was/is extremely common, thats why there was a scale, with very, very few people lying on the extremes. I've read about studies that try to correct some biases on Kinsey's numbers that come to the same conclusions at the end.
 

GothPunk

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Well Kinsey didn't ask people if they were gay, he asked specific things like having had a sexual experience with someone of the same sex at least once for instance, so the numbers don't reflect really people who identify as gay or who are strongly attracted to the same sex.
Actually I remember reading that Kinsey enriched his sample for men who had more homosexual experiences by including samples of prison inmates and male prostitutes. It doesn't really matter if the people didn't self identify as gay, for the purposes of the study, as you can see in bsej87's quote above, they used particular criteria to categorise an individual as homosexual.

Which just goes further to show that the 'gay men have bigger dicks' thing is a myth because even if you ignore the enrichment of the sample with sex workers, the 'gay' guys aren't necessarily gay.
 

GothPunk

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Yeah, it's bollocks, but nice bollocks.
Haha. The Kinsey studies are great, I just wish we had a modern study of equal size to work with, because I don't trust Kinsey's sampling methods at all. I found an interesting article about it, including the sample bias problem if anyone is interested. The problem with trying to find out more about criticism of studies like this, is that you always end up with some anti-gay Christian website instead of a proper scientific or sociological discussion of sex and sexuality.

Anyways, we all know us gays are sexy bitches
including our cockies lol
 

Hige

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Kinsey's numbers proved more than anything that bisexuality was/is extremely common, thats why there was a scale, with very, very few people lying on the extremes. I've read about studies that try to correct some biases on Kinsey's numbers that come to the same conclusions at the end.
I couldn't stop rolling my eyes at the number of people in this thread that were identifying as a 6 when the Kinsey scale discussion happened.
 

mantidor

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I couldn't stop rolling my eyes at the number of people in this thread that were identifying as a 6 when the Kinsey scale discussion happened.

What do you have against us 6-ers? :p

Wikipedia isn't helping so I'm not sure if the scale was about experiences or desires, but given what I know about Kinsey's studies I would say it's about experiences, which makes the results even more surprising.

We are in a gaming forum anyway, people here barely have experiences with even just one gender, not surprised about so many 6s.
ooh stereotypes! but you know it's true
 

scarlet

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I like girls in my younger days, not sexually tho.
But I realized that i sexually attracted guys when i was 4/5 yo.

So i'm not sure if i'm a 6 or not.
 

Hige

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There's a quote on the Kinsey Scale wiki page from Kinsey that talks about a classification system based on "experience or response." I inferred that response meant emotional/psychological response. Another section on the same page suggests that the scale is based on experience or desire. So I don't think experience is the only factor being considered.

I just think a 6 is about as unlikely as a 0. Like when some dudebro insists they're totally a 0, no homo. So the number of people claiming they were 6s seemed like an overcorrection IMO.
 

gerg

Member
It's, like, the opposite of formal when the doctor is feeling up my balls and asking about my sexual history. I think he can handle hearing me use the words "boyfriend" or "husband".

I think I mean to speak about someone addressing you, in which case I'd much rather a doctor ask about my partner than about my girlfriend or wife. As for you referring to yourself, then it course it's up to you how much you reveal.

But, if your doctor's always feeling up your balls I think you need a new doctor. ; )
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
I think I mean to speak about someone addressing you, in which case I'd much rather a doctor ask about my partner than about my girlfriend or wife.

Eh, I prefer my doctors to be less clinical/robotic than that. I like it when they act like human beings.

But, if your doctor's always feeling up your balls I think you need a new doctor. ; )

Quite the contrary my good man. :)
 

Alcoori

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Sai a hetero? Dear god.

Still a 6, never touched a boob on purpose, let alone a vagina and I have no interest. Sexually I am really not attracted to women at all.
As people, I love them as much as guys.
 

Spree

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Not attracted to girls at all, but I've always wanted to touch a boob, just for fun. I dunno, they just look so soft :p ...Vaginas = hell no, though.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Still a 3
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mantidor

Member
Personally I did joke about the 6, I guess I'm a 5 since I was aroused by pornographic nudes of big breasted women when very little, but that didn't last and was heavily mixed with being aroused by men, in terms of actual real women though I've never felt anything, I actually feel a little repulsion, but I'm easily bothered by body odor and any type of contact, those dissapear however if it's a guy that attracts me, it's kind of weird.
 
I think I'm a 2?

I'd say for porn I'm more like a 4 though. >_>

After mingling with my feelings and realizing gender equality shit it's kinda dumb how stereotypically pro-male most straight porn is. Now, I'm not saying I want to straight-up scour tumblr in hopes of feeding my feminist agenda or anything, but I dunno. I enjoy it more when the ladies are and they aren't just blatantly on all sorts of shit in hopes that they can just power through god knows how many sessions they do a day.
 

daripad

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I am a 5, I guess, but still don't know if I could be a 4.

I wouldn't exactly have sex with a girl and I'm not into boobs, obviously vaginas either. But I find them attractive in a different way that men are attractive to me. I can't explain that but it feels different.
 

mantidor

Member
Having sex isn't what determines your level on the Kinsey Scale, it is your actual attraction. You could just be experimenting and still be a 6.

I don't think so, a 6 means basically having zero sexual arousal, you simply could not have sex, not even experimenting because you couldn't even get an erection, you are as attracted to women as you are of trees.
(I'm assuming you are not tree-sexual or something :p)
 

Sai-kun

Banned
The only song I'm not crazy about is I Am Not A Robot, but I can tolerate it, especially since it leads into the amazing intro to Girls. It's weird to me that that was a single, but I guess it's weirder that anyone thought Mowgli's Road should be the lead single because it's bloody crazy. I mean, it opens with cuckooing. Also, the video's terrifying. But maybe that was the point.

Speaking of which, out of curiosity, what's generally considered the "proper" track order? I've got essentially the American version, but with Rootless and a bunch of dumb remixes I don't listen to tacked on at the end. But I really feel that it should end with Numb because that song's just, like, jesus. The perfect climax.

Proper track order (Fuck " marks ;P) is:
Are You Satisfied?
Shampain
I Am Not A Robot
Girls
Mowgli's
Obsessions
Hollywood
The Outsider
Hermit the Frog
Oh No!
Rootless
Numb
Guilty

Guilty is the perfect vibe/track to end the album on. The beats are so good on it, and I think it makes a much better ending than either Numb or Rootless. Seventeen/Numb/Rootless is such a weird mix of tracks to end on. I Am Not A Robot is my consistently least favorite/most skipped track on TFJ. I can listen to it once in awhile, but I usually don't. Also Re: Mowgli's, it's one of the more perfect tracks that just screams "yup, this is a Marina & the Diamonds song!"
 

Sai-kun

Banned
guys i have an announcement

icarus-daedelus is actually my alt and we are the same person

lmao <3 you are the fuckin best. hermit the frog owns. the way her voice rises and falls on that song is just perfection. The way she sings, "well baby, I gave you your dirty mind" gives me the shivers every time.
 

sruckus

Member
I am so confused with what I'm doing with this guy I've been taking to.

We met on a chat site and he lives quite a bit away from me in another state but I have liked talking to him and he said the same to me. He's very good looking, etc.

Last weekend he texted while I was drinking and without going into too many details of how it happened we send pics to each other and that was good. Me being a drunk and apparently wanting to be a woman I sort of got serious and asked what we're doing, what it is etc. he said he's not sure, I'm cute, see how it goes.

The thing is that I think I really like him but I'm thinking he just liked having a friend to talk to and maybe have some fun with. There's also the distance that's the issue and it is true I can't really imagine being able to handle a long distance relationship for my first relationship ever. One difference is that he does have family that lives here so he does come here sometimes.

And despite my worries I sort of ignited more sharing of pics today during our conversation and I don't know why I did. I'm afraid that's all he's going to want or care about now that we've done it and I think I want more.

I'm realizing how rambling this conversation is but I'm on my phone and just confused on what I want or what to do.And then of course there's trying to figure out what to do to even stay away from the gay equivalent if friend zoning (is there such a thing? I'm sure ill find a way) I'm tired of being single and it is somewhat probable...but what do I do?
 

gerg

Member
Eh, I prefer my doctors to be less clinical/robotic than that. I like it when they act like human beings.

It's less about being clinical and more about not presuming that I'm straight - why should I have girlfriend or wife? (Heck, the last doctor I went to flat out asked me if I was gay, but nevertheless.)
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
It's less about being clinical and more about not presuming that I'm straight - why should I have girlfriend or wife? (Heck, the last doctor I went to flat out asked me if I was gay, but nevertheless.)

Whenever I go to a new doctor, they always me my sexual orientation so they can enter it into their files, thus, that presumption never happens. :)
 

Alcoori

Member
I am so confused with what I'm doing with this guy I've been taking to.

We met on a chat site and he lives quite a bit away from me in another state but I have liked talking to him and he said the same to me. He's very good looking, etc.

Last weekend he texted while I was drinking and without going into too many details of how it happened we send pics to each other and that was good. Me being a drunk and apparently wanting to be a woman I sort of got serious and asked what we're doing, what it is etc. he said he's not sure, I'm cute, see how it goes.

The thing is that I think I really like him but I'm thinking he just liked having a friend to talk to and maybe have some fun with. There's also the distance that's the issue and it is true I can't really imagine being able to handle a long distance relationship for my first relationship ever. One difference is that he does have family that lives here so he does come here sometimes.

And despite my worries I sort of ignited more sharing of pics today during our conversation and I don't know why I did. I'm afraid that's all he's going to want or care about now that we've done it and I think I want more.

I'm realizing how rambling this conversation is but I'm on my phone and just confused on what I want or what to do.And then of course there's trying to figure out what to do to even stay away from the gay equivalent if friend zoning (is there such a thing? I'm sure ill find a way) I'm tired of being single and it is somewhat probable...but what do I do?

Are you transgender?

Otherwise I would say first and foremost, you guys should meet in person before anything can happen. Being lonely and wanting companionship often leads people to idealize online interactions and think that there is love or equivalent when in fact such a thing cannot exist without some sort of physical and in person interaction.
 

sruckus

Member
Are you transgender?

Otherwise I would say first and foremost, you guys should meet in person before anything can happen. Being lonely and wanting companionship often leads people to idealize online interactions and think that there is love or equivalent when in fact such a thing cannot exist without some sort of physical and in person interaction.

Haha no. I was being sarcastic with getting all serious or whatever after some fun. Bad joke.

I suppose you're right about meeting in person...it does seem kind of necessary. It could also be a long wait too. It just sucks meeting someone who you are completely attracted to and like talking to and they live far away. Like...why can't I find someone here?! And of course I don't know what to do in the meantime. I would think unless we meet soon the interest would go away...I wonder if he'll be coming to the area before or around Christmas.
 

ULTROS!

People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
I'm not gay but I'd like to ask some advice or some sort of assurance.

Anyway, I had dinner with a friend. He's a very charismatic Christian who loves to spread the word of Jesus. We had a nice conversation about this. Although he's not shy about admitting his mistakes which are supposedly worse than pre marital sex and not murder and drugs. So it got me thinking "hmm... Is this guy interested in men?". I brought it privately if he was LGBT and he said no and the aura became awkward a bit. Although we resumed the conversations normally, he said not to worry about what I asked. Did I do the wrong thing to ask him? :p

I have no problems with LGBT people by the way, I have a few relatives who are and fully support them.
 
I'm not gay but I'd like to ask some advice or some sort of assurance.

Anyway, I had dinner with a friend. He's a very charismatic Christian who loves to spread the word of Jesus. We had a nice conversation about this. Although he's not shy about admitting his mistakes which are supposedly worse than pre marital sex and not murder and drugs. So it got me thinking "hmm... Is this guy interested in men?". I brought it privately if he was LGBT and he said no and the aura became awkward a bit. Although we resumed the conversations normally, he said not to worry about what I asked. Did I do the wrong thing to ask him? :p

I have no problems with LGBT people by the way, I have a few relatives who are and fully support them.

He's probably just moonlighting as a very campy murderer and drug lord. No harm, no foul.
 
Most of those I've never had. Especially the changing for going outside. Who does that?
It's conscientious considering that glare is bad for your eyes and more people should wear sunglasses (I don't). I think the point is that it's an extra step, take off glasses, store in case, remove sunglasses from other case, put on, etc. I do get basically every point but yeah it's exaggerated for comedy.
 
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