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LGBThread |OT4| We're (still) Here! We're (still) Queer!
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CornBurrito
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Yeah, honestly I feel like Seth tries to be an ally to the LGBT community but Family Guy simply isn't an appropriate vehicle because it is built around offensive humor which really cheapens the message.
American Dad is a lot better I feel when it comes to LGBT episodes, and mostly because the show isn't built as much around offensive humor. Of course even there it feels like preaching and I don't think an animation is going to change an actual bigot's mind. Or maybe humans are more susceptible to fictional narratives than I want to think.
Sorry to hear that daripad
Losing a dog is always hard.
American Dad is a lot better I feel when it comes to LGBT episodes, and mostly because the show isn't built as much around offensive humor. Of course even there it feels like preaching and I don't think an animation is going to change an actual bigot's mind. Or maybe humans are more susceptible to fictional narratives than I want to think.
Sorry to hear that daripad
Losing a dog is always hard.
Captain Europe
Member
Sorry for your loss daripad =(
Holy cow, I'm really sorry
I know how it feels. Be glad you had her in your life, and treasure the great moments you had with her.---
I just noticed /r/NeoGAF got pretty much entirely removed, and the posting rules are now very strict. Now it's /r/NeoGAF_Sucks where people (19 of them) complain about GAF posters being "liberal nutjob retards". The banner has pics of GAF members, including the Vita-ass guy who used to post here
I wonder what happened with /r/NeoGAF.TheAbsolution
Member
Damn Daripad. Sorry for your loss.
Captain Europe
Member
Holy cow, I'm really sorry
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I just noticed /r/NeoGAF got pretty much entirely removed, and the posting rules are now very strict. Now it's /r/NeoGAF_Sucks where people (19 of them) complain about GAF posters being "liberal nutjob retards". The banner has pics of GAF members, including the Vita-ass guy who used to post here
I've seen quite a few people trash talk GAF on the internet, and it's usually followed by something like ''It's just because I said I don't like fags, people don't even respect your opinion on there!'' Gotta love how they keep pushing homophobia as just an opinion.
And the pic thing is just creepy, not sure if I'll post a pic publicly on the forum now.
I just noticed /r/NeoGAF got pretty much entirely removed, and the posting rules are now very strict. Now it's /r/NeoGAF_Sucks where people (19 of them) complain about GAF posters being "liberal nutjob retards". The banner has pics of GAF members, including the Vita-ass guy who used to post here
Oh, man. It's one thing to be rejected from a video game forum, another to then start whining about said video game forum on a subreddit about said video game forum, and then another to be rejected from the subreddit about said video game forum.
And now they have to create another subreddit in which they complain about said video game forum.
Think of all the things they could've done with their lives in this time.
MisterGrey3000
Member
Entertianment can go a long way; it's possible for a great story to make people think about the issues around them.
Animation can be an incredibly powerful medium, but an enlightened sympathetic well-told LGBT-centric story will have to come from a well respected entity like Disney Animation Studios, Pixar, DreamWorks, Studio Ghibli, or LAIKA (Spoiler) because we're definitely not gonna get it from a FOX cartoon that isn't KoTH.
Sorry for your loss friend.
Captain Europe
Member
They probably have forums dedicated to bitching about another forum.
CornBurrito
Member
Entertianment can go a long way; it's possible for a great story to make people think about the issues around them.
Animation can be an incredibly powerful medium, but an enlightened sympathetic well-told LGBT-centric story will have to come from a well respected entity like Disney Animation Studios, Pixar, DreamWorks, Studio Ghibli, or LAIKA (Spoiler) because we're definitely not gonna get it from a FOX cartoon that isn't KoTH.
I dunno I felt American Dad's gay parenthood episode was nicely done for the most part. Of course somewhat harmed by the fact that Stan has become the most liberal "conservative" ever as the seasons have gone by :lol
It really is the dark side of everything-goes places like Reddit. I want to believe it's just a bunch of kids that got angry because they're not free to post racist, sexist and all kinds of idiotic stuff here. The new subreddit is basically just as dead as the old one, it's pretty silly and sad at the same time.
ShironRedshift
Member
Real sorry to hear that.
Christopher
Member
Ugh sorry dude dogs are the best
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
It's also sad that he thinks gay men are disgusted by vaginas; I have no idea why straight guys think gay men are disgusted by heteronormative things when they live in a predominantly heteronormative society.
To be fair, a lot of gays do think vaginas are disgusting. This was brought up in one of the older threads and I remember quite a few people espousing similar views.
oh no
*hugs*
CornBurrito
Member
I personally wouldn't want to put my fingers or penis in a vagina. Or actually I would probably put my penis in a vagina if the rest of the package was decidedly masculine.
MisterGrey3000
Member
I totally agree with you; I was originally going to say "KoTH or American Dad", but I heard that it isn't on FOX anymore.
The episodes that focus around Greg and Terry are generally pretty good.
I think the only LGBT subject they don't handle very well is Jackson's (Stan's CIA friend) non-passable trans hooker girlfriend. She only exists because,"She's clearly a man and has a penis, that's so funny lolololol Oh Jackson you so cray cray"
Like, why even have her??
Well...so do a lot of straight/bisexual guys; some of them don't like the aesthetic of the vagina, but I don't think that has much to do with their sexuality (We don't generally glorify women's private part like we glorify their boobs, curves, butts, etc. in everyday society)
Also, I remember quite a few gay-gaffers saying that they have no problems with looking at women's vaginas.
VICTORsaurio
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There's this cute guy who wrote me on instamessage just after I arrived, he's venezuelan too, though he has his phone number on his IG profile which is a huge red flag. Anyway I didn't pay attention to him because I was still with my bf back then.
I wrote him a couple of days ago and tonight he asked me out... because he was stuck at home while his boyfriend was out with his mother in law (his bf mom). I said yes because I had no plans, we talked a lot and had dinner, it was nice meeting new people but God I only attract trouble
He didn't really flirt or anything, but I still fear for the worst when it comes to men.
I wrote him a couple of days ago and tonight he asked me out... because he was stuck at home while his boyfriend was out with his mother in law (his bf mom). I said yes because I had no plans, we talked a lot and had dinner, it was nice meeting new people but God I only attract trouble
He didn't really flirt or anything, but I still fear for the worst when it comes to men.
Bel Marduk
Banned
American Dad used to be really great but its declined so much in recent years that.. I don't know. It was about to be canceled and Hot Water was to be the final episode. Would have been great to end it on such a high note.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Blood Diamonds
Banned
I'm really sorry to hear that Daripad
Dogs are amazing creatures.Sorry Daripad, that sucks
So he has a boyfriend already? What?
There's this cute guy who wrote me on instamessage just after I arrived, he's venezuelan too, though he has his phone number on his IG profile which is a huge red flag. Anyway I didn't pay attention to him because I was still with my bf back then.
I wrote him a couple of days ago and tonight he asked me out... because he was stuck at home while his boyfriend was out with his mother in law (his bf mom). I said yes because I had no plans, we talked a lot and had dinner, it was nice meeting new people but God I only attract trouble
He didn't really flirt or anything, but I still fear for the worst when it comes to men.
So he has a boyfriend already? What?
Hours Left
Member
My condolences.
Henchmen21
Banned
There's this cute guy who wrote me on instamessage just after I arrived, he's venezuelan too, though he has his phone number on his IG profile which is a huge red flag. Anyway I didn't pay attention to him because I was still with my bf back then.
I wrote him a couple of days ago and tonight he asked me out... because he was stuck at home while his boyfriend was out with his mother in law (his bf mom). I said yes because I had no plans, we talked a lot and had dinner, it was nice meeting new people but God I only attract trouble
He didn't really flirt or anything, but I still fear for the worst when it comes to men.
That's because you keep saying yes to things you know are bad. Why did you say yes if you knew he had a bf?
My dog helped me dealing with getting over my mother's death. Just made some sausages with cheese, one of them fell off and waited for her to come and eat it on the ground as I always did. It was hard to remember that she'll never be around anymore so had to grab it myself. I haven't cried but I really haven't cried properly in years, just shed a few years here and there but that has been it.
umop_3pisdn
Member
I'm sorry to hear about your dog daripad. The death of pets always seems really hard to me because they seem so helpless.
"Attracting trouble" is a pretty passive way of phrasing your participation in these situations. "Invite trouble" seems more accurate.
There's this cute guy who wrote me on instamessage just after I arrived, he's venezuelan too, though he has his phone number on his IG profile which is a huge red flag. Anyway I didn't pay attention to him because I was still with my bf back then.
I wrote him a couple of days ago and tonight he asked me out... because he was stuck at home while his boyfriend was out with his mother in law (his bf mom). I said yes because I had no plans, we talked a lot and had dinner, it was nice meeting new people but God I only attract trouble
He didn't really flirt or anything, but I still fear for the worst when it comes to men.
"Attracting trouble" is a pretty passive way of phrasing your participation in these situations. "Invite trouble" seems more accurate.
MisterGrey3000
Member
lol
For real, I'm not bsing.
It's pretty common for some straight/bi boys to like the idea of going into a vagina rather than looking at one.
I don't know, I'm looking through that "Does finding the act of gay sex repulsive, make you prejudiced?" thread right now and there aren't many gay-gaffers badmouthing lady parts. Most of them are attacking the straight boys who are trying to speak for all gay men ("Gay men are disgusted by vaginas so it's totally ok for us to be grossed out by gay sex!")
Necromanti
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Losing a friend is never easy. We are granted such a short period of time to spend in their midsts before we must return them to the earth that gave rise to them. But our memories of that precious time we spent together will live on for as long as we do.
Wait, y'all ended it for good now?
VICTORsaurio
Member
Yes, it's been almost a month. We spent a few weeks still saying I love you and talking every day, just in a sort of more relaxed way. But this past Sunday I finally told him that I couldn't keep doing that anymore, it sucks treating someone as if he was your boyfriend when you're actually nothing at all.
We have talked a few times since then but just when we feel like shit. I think we spent 2 days without talking which is the longest until now.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
ive never heard of this, like, ever
I don't know, I'm looking through that "Does finding the act of gay sex repulsive, make you prejudiced?" thread right now and there aren't many gay-gaffers badmouthing lady parts. Most of them are attacking the straight boys who are trying to speak for all gay men ("Gay men are disgusted by vaginas so it's totally ok for us to be grossed out by gay sex!")
I haven't read that thread, so I can really speak to what people are and aren't saying, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of the gays acting outraged by that didn't find straight sex repulsive themselves, but are loath to admit it for fear of being called out. :O
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Oh God I'm reading episode summaries of that MTV show called Faking It and I am raging, what a shitty show.
Captain Europe
Member
I really, really doubt that there are as many gay guys that are grossed out by straight stuff as there are straight guys who are grossed out by gay stuff, It's not even close.
MisterGrey3000
Member
lol
Well, I don't think I can convince you gurl, but I've definitely seen/heard of this phenomenon among a few straight/bi guys. I don't think not liking the way genitals look is linked to our sexuality.
Yeah, it just doesn't make sense for a lot of gay men (or gay-leaning Bi men) to be grossed out by heteronormative stuff in our largely heteronormative society.
I'm sure there are a few queens that have a really negative reaction to vaginas or boobs, but I can't imagine that they represent a very large portion of queer men.
Souldriver
Member
I honestly don't think people should make such a big deal about straight guys saying "ew gross" about gay sex. Like some of you have already mentioned, even the straights who are supportive of the gays, sometimes say it. I understand their sentiment - I don't like the sight of a vagina either, and I find lesbian sex pretty weird too because I never watch it so I'm not that familiar with it - but that doesn't make me a lesbian or hetero hater.
Sometimes the "ew gross" sentiment can be stated a little crass, but that's just because that macho attitude is tolerated, and well, people love to exaggerate. I feel like calling straight people out on it and calling them homophobes might antagonize them despite their otherwise supportive attitude for us. How about we focus our attention and efforts on actual homophobic assholes instead...
Sometimes the "ew gross" sentiment can be stated a little crass, but that's just because that macho attitude is tolerated, and well, people love to exaggerate. I feel like calling straight people out on it and calling them homophobes might antagonize them despite their otherwise supportive attitude for us. How about we focus our attention and efforts on actual homophobic assholes instead...
Agreed, sexual activities that you're not sexual attracted to are gross. 2 old people having sex is gross. 2 obese people having sex is gross 2 really thin people having sex is gross.
After watching porn and finishing your "business" whatever I was watching that was sexy 5 seconds ago is now gross and I have to turn it off quickly
Masquerader
Member
I'm very sorry to hear that, Dari...
Monocle
Member
The "eww gross" thing is one more little straw in the gigantic haystack of attacks on LGBT people's dignity, one more daily reminder that we're still not normal in the eyes of the straight majority. Those reactions are easy to overlook by themselves, when they come from people who are generally reasonable and tolerant, but since they're aimed at a group that's already heavily stigmatized, they're damaging. They salt wounds inflicted by real bigots. In fact, it's exactly that kind of widespread, socially acceptable, apparently benign ignorance that puts the burden on LGBT people to keep a low profile. We aren't free to be ourselves as long as our romantic and sexual lives are considered disgusting. "Eww gross" reactions are a direct obstacle to social equality for anyone who doesn't fit the heteronormative mold, because those reactions reinforce homophobia.
When a gay guy says that vaginas are gross, he's not contributing to the miasma of nastiness and unease centered around straight people, because it doesn't exist.
I've definitely seen the sentiment somewhere around GAF before. I found this:
ive never heard of this, like, ever
But I'm not sure how
widespread
Such comments are not an attack on straight people, they are targeted against women.
It's misogyny.
Souldriver
Member
I still think the "ew gross" sentiment is just the result of truthfully not liking the idea of a certain type of sex. Gays dislike straight or lesbian sex, straights dislike gay sex, and you could broaden that idea to certain kinks like sex with heavy, skinny, young looking, old, masculine, feminine, ... people. If it's not your thing, you most likely find it uncomfortable or gross.
In other words, the intent of most people saying gay sex is gross, is not to dehumanize or insult gays, or to distance themselves from gays. It's a genuine reaction. And it's the intent of actions that determines whether something is homophobic/racist/sexist/... imho.
So while I understand that negative reactions to the idea of gay sex are yet another drop in the bucket of negative expressions towards homosexuality, I don't find it fair to say "ew gay sex" is a big no-no because it contributes to a certain narrative, while saying "ew straight sex" is a-okay because who cares... You're basically asking the straight community at large to censor thheir own natural feelings and reactions, just to offset the damage being done by a smaller group of douchebags. I find that unreasonable.
SkeptiMism
Member
*Raises hand*. It kinda depends though. Sometimes (as a straight guy) I just find vaginas very displeasing to look at but then sometimes it's quite nice to look at them. I don't think it even depends on the individual vagina nor how horny I am.
ive never heard of this, like, ever
I haven't read that thread, so I can really speak to what people are and aren't saying, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of the gays acting outraged by that didn't find straight sex repulsive themselves, but are loath to admit it for fear of being called out. :O
That seems pretty aggressive. Such comments aren't targeted against women and thus it's not misogyny.
Via Purifico
Banned
Good morning. Personally, I think there is a fine line between saying I don't find vaginas appealing and eww fish.
Just my two cents.
Just my two cents.
Sorry, what??
SkeptiMism
Member
Sorry what to you? No offence, but do you think it's impossible to look at individual parts of things, whether living or inanimate, of larger scale and find them either pleasing or displeasing, without being against or for the wholeness of the bigger picture?
CornBurrito
Member
Scary to think how flimsy social progress really is. I'm growing convinced that most people don't really use any sort of rational or logical framework to justify their moral convictions. Instead (in most cases), we craft arguments after the fact to justify our preexisting beliefs and gut emotional reactions. I don't think our populace is becoming more accepting of homosexuality simply because humans are becoming more enlightened. I think it more has to do with people now exposed to a world where homosexuality is accepted and being against homosexuality will result in negative social sanctions. Some people will see through this. They will start asking "why is it bad/good?" and most will be unable to provide a solid non-contradictory logical framework. And then people will reject it. There's no guarantee that human moral sentiments won't switch in the future, and we'll be back to justifying things like slavery and the like.
Captain Europe
Member
I don't think being grossed out by it is homophobic, but I don't think they should feel the need to say it or be thinking about it in the first place, which is why I found that thread daft to begin with, a better question would have been ''Is it prejudiced to be grossed out by two guys kissing''.
Having said that, going ''ewww gross'' at a sex scene on TV(which is just kissing and fondling) is childish, it's usually guys who are totally fine with gore too. Grow up.
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