Liam Robertson on what happened with MvC:I

Axass said:
RE7 has failed their inane projections, they're not happy with it. SFV has sold bad, was very frontloaded and is nowhere near SFIV as far as critical acclaim goes. MHW isn't even out yet. Also they've been kinda in trouble financially for years.
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You are wrong. I don’t think they are in trouble from their recent fiscal report in 2017.

- Sales and Profit Up in Consolidated Results for Fiscal Year Ended March 31, 2017
- Year-over-year Net Sales Up 13.2%, Operating Income Up 13.5%
- Operating income grows for fourth consecutive fiscal year due to sales of major titles and effectively leveraging IP -
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Capcom Co., Ltd. today announced that net sales increased to 87,170 million yen in its consolidated business results for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2017 (up 13.2% year-over-year). Operating income was 13,650 million yen (up 13.5% year-over-year), and ordinary income was 12,589 million yen (up 10.9% year-over-year). Net income attributable to owners of the parent increased to 8,879 million yen (up 14.6% year-over-year).

During the fiscal year ended March 31, 2017, titles from the Digital Contents business gave a solid performance; this included Resident Evil 7 biohazard, which features the ability to play the full game in the included optional PSVR Mode for PS4, as well as Monster Hunter XX (Double Cross), the latest title in the hit series. Current-generation console ports of Resident Evil titles from our back catalog also performed well. Further, our Amusement Equipments business scored a major hit with the pachislo machine Monster Hunter Kyoryu Sensen, which sold thirty-seven thousand units.
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http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/news/html/e170427b.html

Also, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out RE7 wasn’t going to sell as well as RE5/6 due to the massive change in tone and gameplay. This wasn’t a game where you can pew-pew-die-die and play co-op anymore so of course sales would reflect that. Capcom are just silly with their dumb projections. SFV could have been better with arcade and story at launch but we have to remember it’s an exclusive (which was a wrong move imo) and only released on two platforms, as opposed to SFIV which released on four.

DeuceGamer said:
Sure, they have had some good games but nowhere near the level of output or quality that they used to be at.

I’m not just talking about critically though as the games have to sell for them to be a viable business. The fact that RE7 was praised critically and still underperformed is concerning. We will have to wait and see but regardless of how good MHW looks it’s possible it will underperform as well. To me, that’s concerning when you also ha e games like MvC, SFV, etc. also underperforming to various degrees and also not having a very good critical reception.

They just aren’t at the same level that they used to be and frankly it saddens me.
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It depends on your definition of “quality”. I think RE7, MHW (so far) and SFV has that high level of craft when it comes to creating worlds, atmosphere, characters, animations and gameplay which are far above and beyond their previous entries. Not all games with quality sell unfortunately.
 
One thing is for sure: when a game looks like fucking SHIT, complain about it, make all the memes you can, and try to completely RUIN it pre launch. Only then will the cigar smoking execs take notice and even remotely start to give a fuck.
 
goddamn shame since Capcom has some of the best IPs in the business in addition to some of the greatest games of all time imo

that being said, this doesnt surprise me one bit. the game from its inception looked to be low-budget as highlighted by both Chun's and Dante's faces, still you gotta give some sort of props to the gameplay designers cause that's the one thing that they knocked out of the park. personally haven't bough the game and waiting till deep discount which pains me cause MvC is my favorite fighting game series of all time.

just compare the reveal trailers for MvC3 and MvC:I and its two completely different animals. still hoping that this wakes up Capcom management and that their budget issues get resolve since as much as we love to trash Capcom, without them the industry would be much different.
 
kikiribu said:
Also, whoever talks about reused models in MVCI while pretending to not notice it in other popular fighting games at the moment like Tekken 7 should probably stop posting. I don’t even notice it in MVCI but instantly do in T7, same way I notice the tired ass animations and that it kinda looks like an HD remake of T5, T6, and TTT2. How was the budget for T7? Good game in the “same old same old” sense but also super lazy. Maybe we should just accept that we shouldn’t expect too much from fighting games. Most seen die out faster than the effort it took to make them, unfortunately, especially considering the cost of developing one character.
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Oh you want to post some reused T7 models for us :)
 
Well, some of that seems to be bullshit.
  • First, he can't even be bothered to report correctly that MaximillianDood was the one that got the first footage of Ghost Rider's Lvl3 Hyper
  • "They provided accurate information months ahead of its announcement regarding the Monster Hunter character"... he means the information readily available and widely publicized? That information? The .zip leak?
  • "previously available features [are] missing"... what? This game is more feature complete than 3. Maybe it's missing a more replayable single player mode like Heroes and Heralds but that's still super wrong.
  • "cobbled together from pre-existing assets to cut costs" "... lift assets from other old games" "little to no changes were made" "artists were simply told to alter the shaders" What is this entire section? It seems it has no basis on anything but hearsay. They did seemingly reuse assets from 3 for certain characters, but they were all highly touched up. Which to be fair made most of those characters look worse but still.
  • "lifted from MvC3" shows Hawkeye and Cap, two characters that have completely new models, with new designs.
  • He fails to mention the outsourcing of graphics and models, which seems to be a huge thing with the graphical failings of this game.

While he may have some actual insiders and Capcom employees, he also seems to have been duped by someone.

As it stands, this seems like a shoddy report. Which is what tends to happen when he reports on current games, rather than old ones.
 
kikiribu said:
Also, whoever talks about reused models in MVCI while pretending to not notice it in other popular fighting games at the moment like Tekken 7 should probably stop posting. I don’t even notice it in MVCI but instantly do in T7, same way I notice the tired ass animations and that it kinda looks like an HD remake of T5, T6, and TTT2. How was the budget for T7? Good game in the “same old same old” sense but also super lazy. Maybe we should just accept that we shouldn’t expect too much from fighting games. Most seen die out faster than the effort it took to make them, unfortunately, especially considering the cost of developing one character.
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what T7 models were reused from TT2?
 
This retail game had the budget of a DLC round?

Fuck. It has no business being as good as it is, if that's true.

I'm loving it, having a lot of fun. Too bad Capcom didn't give a shit.
 
TrueDefault said:
Now I'm worried they're going to cut contents for Monster hunter World.
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Monster Hunter is their baby, even if they cut stuff it will still feel like a crap ton of stuff is in the game already most likely and whatever the DLC is should feel pretty hefty.

If they fuck that up perhaps it's time for them to give up.
 
QisTopTier said:
Oh you want to post some reused T7 models for us :)
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I don't mean from older games, I mean within the game's current roster. I'm not the first to bring this up either. Just go to character customization and it becomes really obvious.

oneida said:
what T7 models were reused from TT2?
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Above.

But yeah, in motion, the game just looks like an HD remaster of older Tekken games to me, just shinier.
 
Anth0ny said:
One thing is for sure: when a game looks like fucking SHIT, complain about it, make all the memes you can, and try to completely RUIN it pre launch. Only then will the cigar smoking execs take notice and even remotely start to give a fuck.
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We were in the right shitting on the game.

Damn you fanboys and shills. We're trying to push the culture forward. Yall we're trying to hold it back.
 
kikiribu said:
I don't mean from older games, I mean within the game's current roster. I'm not the first to bring this up either. Just go to character customization and it becomes really obvious.
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Post models for us. Show us which T7 characters are just reused models from older games. I'm not saying they are or are not. I'm saying to show since you love to spout this out all the time.
 
Zero-ELEC said:
Well, some of that seems to be bullshit.
  • First, he can't even be bothered to report correctly that MaximillianDood was the one that got the first footage of Ghost Rider's Lvl3 Hyper
  • "They provided accurate information months ahead of its announcement regarding the Monster Hunter character"... he means the information readily available and widely publicized? That information? The .zip leak?
  • "previously available features [are] missing"... what? This game is more feature complete than 3. Maybe it's missing a more replayable single player mode like Heroes and Heralds but that's still super wrong.
  • "cobbled together from pre-existing assets to cut costs" "... lift assets from other old games" "little to no changes were made" "artists were simply told to alter the shaders" What is this entire section? It seems it has no basis on anything but hearsay. They did seemingly reuse assets from 3 for certain characters, but they were all highly touched up. Which to be fair made most of those characters look worse but still.
  • "lifted from MvC3" shows Hawkeye and Cap, two characters that have completely new models, with new designs.
  • He fails to mention the outsourcing of graphics and models, which seems to be a huge thing with the graphical failings of this game.

While he may have some actual insiders and Capcom employees, he also seems to have been duped by someone.

As it stands, this seems like a shoddy report. Which is what tends to happen when he reports on current games, rather than old ones.
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All this right here^

This video just screams of "Hey I know you all love to hate Capcom so listen to this supposed "confirmed" info I have to share! Like fish in a barrel and lambs to the slaughter, Thanks for the views!"
 
Tekken 7 definitely doesn't re-use models from older games. They are doing the DOA thing though where characters share body type models for sure though which is why their shitty custom outfits fit certain characters and other stuff does not. Tekken 7 is a 3+ year old game at this point so it looks dated in some regards.
 
kikiribu said:
I don’t mean from older games, I mean within the game’s current roster. I’m not the first to bring this up either. Just go to character customization and it becomes really obvious.


Above.

But yeah, in motion, the game just looks like an HD remaster of older Tekken games to me, just shinier.
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The models in Tekken 7 are completely new, if they were recycled or touchups then Namco wouldn't have taken until the home version to add the damn bears.

Customization assets be they old or not are just accessories, and unlike Capcom prior to the home port, Namco was consistently bringing out new content for the arcade version (they still are actually with the new auras recently).

You need to be freed from your Capcom Stockholm Syndrome already.
 
The reusing models thing smells like BS to me, if they really "used models from older games with minor changes to shaders" why aren't there any clear examples of this happening? You'd think you'd be able to make some obvious side by side comparisons at that point.

I'm aware of the similar/reused animations but the models seem different to me? Cap and Hawkeye don't look like they do in MVC3 for example.

And even then, is reusing the models really that bad
 
Funny thing is the art direction in SFV would be PERFECT for a MvC game.

If you wanted to save money, keep the AD of V and make Marvel characters. Same mentality they used in the old 2D games
 
Dark Ninja said:
Gott'em
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40% off price error. Bought it for $50, traded it for $70 after a week.

Day 1 sale sure but I didn't lose anything, if anything I got $20 out of it
 
Shame about MvC:I.. if you told me five years ago I wouldn't at all best interested in the next Marvel game, I would have said you were insane. Now it's just reality..

funkystudent said:
Unseen64 is legit.

You should dig into it if you care about old cancelled games.
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Unseen64 is indeed fantastic, although I don't follow Liam himself because I find his Twitter to be insufferable.
 
remz said:
The reusing models thing smells like BS to me, if they really "used models from older games with minor changes to shaders" why aren't there any clear examples of this happening? You'd think you'd be able to make some obvious side by side comparisons at that point.

I'm aware of the similar/reused animations but the models seem different to me? Cap and Hawkeye don't look like they do in MVC3 for example.

And even then, is reusing the models really that bad
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I mean.. If they reused the models I think it would have looked better for many characters then what we got...
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned but the article claims that many of the models were lifted from older games and had their shaders tweaked to the new art style. So it should be somewhat easy to prove/disprove this article by comparing the PC UMvC3 models with the PC MvCI models for characters that are in both.

MvCI looks pretty bland but I don't think the models are as low-poly as the MvC3 models.
 
Pompadour said:
I don't know if this has been mentioned but the article claims that many of the models were lifted from older games and had their shaders tweaked to the new art style. So it should be somewhat easy to prove/disprove this article by comparing the PC UMvC3 models with the PC MvCI models for characters that are in both.

MvCI looks pretty bland but I don't think the models are as low-poly as the MvC3 models.
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The models don't even remotely match up to the MvC3 ones -- facial features don't line up, hair is way different, and obviously the textures are nothing alike. Only the body proportions are similar, and that's because the old animations need to work just as well with the new models. Some of the characters look similar at first glance, but they've obviously been recreated if you spend more than a second comparing them side by side.

I wish someone would actually rip the meshes and textures so this part of the rumor can objectively be put to bed.
 
Pompadour said:
I don't know if this has been mentioned but the article claims that many of the models were lifted from older games and had their shaders tweaked to the new art style. So it should be somewhat easy to prove/disprove this article by comparing the PC UMvC3 models with the PC MvCI models for characters that are in both.

MvCI looks pretty bland but I don't think the models are as low-poly as the MvC3 models.
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The game changed engines between games from MT framework to Unreal Engine 4. Same looked worse (Dante, Chris, Chunli), some looked better (Nemesis, Dr. Strange). Most came out looking the same.

Thats why people say the models were copied from MvC3. They didnt even bother updating or giving a new look for most.
 
EDarkness said:
She still looks terrible. They should have taken the Chun Li model from Street Fighter V and used that one.
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They can't for the rather obvious reason they have to allocate four characters in this game on screen. The models simply cannot be as detailed as they are in SFV. And if they could, people would bitch they're just reusing models, wouldn't they.

Current Chun Li does not look terrible. She looks fine. No offense but some people seem to have a few screws loose when it comes to this game.
 
Pompadour said:
I don't know if this has been mentioned but the article claims that many of the models were lifted from older games and had their shaders tweaked to the new art style. So it should be somewhat easy to prove/disprove this article by comparing the PC UMvC3 models with the PC MvCI models for characters that are in both.

MvCI looks pretty bland but I don't think the models are as low-poly as the MvC3 models.
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If the models aren't completely new, they're at least so heavily modified as to be effectively new.

Now, I'd put money on them reusing the skeletons to make sure the animations all carry over and work well, but the whole models being reused is crap for sure.
 
I can't believe they took assets from MvC3 and made them worse. Just patch in a texture filter or something.
 
DrArchon said:
I'm interpreting that to mean all of the budget allocated for SFV's DLC, including stuff that hasn't been released yet. Probably includes the budget for Story mode too.

Only way I can make sense of it.
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You know what actually makes a good deal of sense?

That this guy is talking out of his ass.

Now that, that makes more sense.
 
jett said:
They can't for the rather obvious reason they have to allocate four characters in this game on screen. The models simply cannot be as detailed as they are in SFV. And if they could, people would bitch they're just reusing models, wouldn't they.

Current Chun Li does not look terrible. She looks fine. No offense but some people seem to have a few screws loose when it comes to this game.
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Her face is messed up man.
 
Riposte said:
I can't believe they took assets from MvC3 and made them worse. Just patch in a texture filter or something.
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Here's a very quick example:

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Do these two look, in ANY WAY, like the same model? You would have to be actually blind to make that argument.

Anne said:
I agree. There are a lot of people really willing to stan for this game and I just find that ?????????
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Or maybe some of us that don't like making shit up or seeing others make shit up and pass it off as fact? Maybe, you know, who knows. This game has enough issues as it is, you really don't need to invent new ones.
 
TrueDefault said:
Now I'm worried they're going to cut contents for Monster hunter World.
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I don't mean to be graphic, but that would mean committing seppuku in a figurative sense. MH is one of their leading series. They will be going all in on this one since it's their first attempt at a AAA MH game of this scale.

Plus, we unfortunately cannot validate his claims. Recall! Neogaf, to my knowledge, validates 'rumors' (at least the mod checks out the source on the down low). We just cant put any stock into this guys claims. Now if he came to gaf and was approved by a mod, then I'd give him some creditbility

MvCI has a lot of issues though that we all have no doubt. But I'd rather stick to my man Maximillian for thoughts on this sort of thing plus Max posts here on gaf
 
Anne said:
I agree. There are a lot of people really willing to stan for this game and I just find that ?????????
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From following all the Marvel threads on GAF goes, there doesn't seem to be a single person who is interested in it or bought it that doesn't acknowledge the many issues it has, be it presentation or roster. Hell, even the FAQ I made for the OT addresses it. People aren't stanning so much as checking people (like the video in OP) for gross exaggerations or just making up shit for the sake of it and because they can get away with it.

It's just that there genuinely hasn't been anything new said abou MvC:I since, like, the zip leak. Same complaints, same theories about why it ended up like that, same lack of insight onto the reality. Threads and discussion have been on loop since then (or maybe when the reveals shortly afterwards confirmed it).

jett said:
Here's a very quick example:

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Do these two look, in ANY WAY, like the same model? You would have to be actually blind to make that argument.
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Case and point: This has been done thread after thread with character after character and people still want to suggest it looks like MvC3. Even when characters have been completely redesigned

People must be blind.
 
It's just that there genuinely hasn't been anything new said abou MvC:I since, like, the zip leak. Same complaints, same theories about why it ended up like that, same lack of insight onto the reality. Threads and discussion have been on loop since then (or maybe when the reveals shortly afterwards confirmed it).
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It doesn't matter if it's new. Capcom should be called out for what they did to this game incessantly.

Capcom's FG division needs a shake up badly. Apparently if the people complain enough or meme hard, that's when change actually gets through. Being content with shit being shoveled down our throats doesn't get us what we want.. who would've thought.
 
MVCI visuals are a joke. Playing MVCI and UMVC3 back to back will cement how ugly MVCI really is.
 
SENPAIatLARGE said:
Imagine if Marvel gave them money like Warner Bros gave Ed Boon money.
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People keep saying this, but in case of MvCI. Isn't it the opposite? Capcom probably had to pay Marvel for the license to even make the game on top of paying for the game development budget.

It's not like Injustice at all where Warner Bros is actually in the game publishing businness. Disney is in the game licensing businness now.
 
Dahbomb said:
It doesn't matter if it's new. Capcom should be called out for what they did to this game incessantly.

Capcom's FG division needs a shake up badly. Apparently if the people complain enough or meme hard, that's when change actually gets through. Being content with shit being shoveled down our throats doesn't get us what we want.. who would've thought.
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but his point is this video is nothing new and it's not at all credible without sources. In addition, unlike the .zip leak, it has not been investigated and approved by gaf. So it's not even 'rumor' status

It's no more credible then any other random dude off the internet I'm afraid. I got a good laugh from it though
 
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