What is moving Lighting supposed to do in battles? I just swapped outfits and smashed attack after "Deprotect" and got pretty decent damage doing that with the charge attack on the Dragoon outfit into launching them and then the triangle/Y attack to Stagger them.
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Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII DEMO - OUT NOW* -
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SoraanTribal
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Well, I wasn't really surprised since FF tends to do this, but it seems a bit more jarring in this case. I prefer JRPG storytelling as well, but a lot of my favorite JRPGs have slower starts that amp up quickly after getting you used to the world and characters (Xeno-series, FFIX, etc). The whole in media res didn't really work out that well for FFXIII, so I'm not sure why they really did it again, lol. I think the biggest thing is I just don't like the direction they took the story after XIII-2 - it's not what I was expecting after beating that game. Oh well. And about the whole "becoming a hero after 50hrs of fetching shits"... isn't that what a large chunk of this game will be like? I've heard the sidequests (while not required, are very recommended since it's how you level up in the game - might as well be required) are the same boring WRPG/MMO type quests which is unfortunate.
I don't know about every area - they just appeared in the first room of the dungeon/beta for me. So maybe they are relegated to the beginning areas?
No they can be found in other areas as well. The area where you beat the boss of the demo is one. I think where Lightning has to climb ladders is another.
brainzelda
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Some questions:
So in what way does the color of the stagger wave correspond to how close you are to staggering an enemy? I assume blue means you're just starting, yellow is mid way, and of course red is staggered. But sometimes I saw a blue wave when the wave was going crazy. What color means what?
What are the two bars between the health and atb bars in the savior schema in battle?
Why are some moves in a schema config yellow with a star? Are they just moves with stat bonuses?
So in what way does the color of the stagger wave correspond to how close you are to staggering an enemy? I assume blue means you're just starting, yellow is mid way, and of course red is staggered. But sometimes I saw a blue wave when the wave was going crazy. What color means what?
What are the two bars between the health and atb bars in the savior schema in battle?
Why are some moves in a schema config yellow with a star? Are they just moves with stat bonuses?
SoraanTribal
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Oh, well that's kind of dumb. It's an interesting idea, but I don't think I'll be using it. All the NPCs with player names feel really out of place and takes me out of the game.
Well the battle system is pretty interesting.... but the short demo/lack of battles does not really give me an overall perspective on it. I feel like haste is going to have a large factor here (if it raises the gauge faster). I threw dragoon in there and it seemed like I never had any attacks... (I guess the jump one takes like 1/2 the bar)
It's not that bad. If you're abusing healing items and find plenty of Otherworld NPC's you can basically have the "store"s move with you instead of those in-game NPC's going around everywhere. Provided the NPC's are providing healing items for sale.
You don't want to be using the Jump/charge->hold attack on Dragoon. Use X/A and then Triangle/Y for beast mode Staggering, it seems. Because X/A will launch and provide you time to Triangle/Y into that Stagger.
But you want the Dress that gives Deprotect and Mediguard as well.
Perhaps I'm just remembering wrong, but are the visuals a pretty big downgrade from XIII-2 and even XIII? The textures are very chunky and even the text is fuzzy. The customization stuff looks interesting and the music is incredible, so I'm sure I'll still like it, but I wasn't expecting it to look quite so rough. And the battle UI is absurdly large, takes up almost half the screen!
Mitochondrion
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I have beaten the demo. Do I have to upload my battle score in order to unlock the Siegfried Garb?
Does it come in the full game?
Does it come in the full game?
creid
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Those are the ATBs for your other two schemata (which you should've been using)
SoraanTribal
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So does the game actually say you unlocked the Siegfried outfit? I posted the battle score something to twitter, but nothing said I unlocked it.
RPGCrazied
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Nope. I'd hold onto the demo just in case.
ussjtrunks
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Any spoilers in the demo or is it safe to play and is it on the EU psn yet?
Keep your demo save data just in case.
I haven't download the demo yet but I'm pretty sure it's the beginning of the game so go play it. I believe it's on EU PSN right now or if not then wait few hours.
RPGCrazied
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I read the datalog is back, and Hope reads the entries to you? Going Mass Effect I see.
Breezed through the demo in a flash. Even got 5 stars on the boss even though it felt like I wasn't doing that good.
Not really a fan of the "hold button to attack" combat. The OP's "DMC of RPGs" claim made me think that it would involve actual button presses and combos. Guess not.
And the new Stagger system sucks. They should have just left it as it was.
It wasn't bad, but I can't say I'm in a hurry to play it.
Not really a fan of the "hold button to attack" combat. The OP's "DMC of RPGs" claim made me think that it would involve actual button presses and combos. Guess not.
And the new Stagger system sucks. They should have just left it as it was.
It wasn't bad, but I can't say I'm in a hurry to play it.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I didn't like the idea of holding the button either, but you can still tap it if you wish. I guess you could say there are combos since you often have to switch Schemas anyhow.
creid
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Holding the button is just an option, and I'm not sure it's faster than pushing the button repeatedly.
There's still other entries.
SoraanTribal
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Some of the abilities said "Holding the button will increase the damage the more you hold it" or something like that. So... it mean, you *should* hold it for some things maybe, but I'd rather just press it.
RPGCrazied
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Oh? He doesn't read them all?
BumblebeeCody
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Can't wait. I just hate the DLC stuff.
creid
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I think he's referring to the early tutorial that tells you that holding the attack button will cause you to continuously attack until your bar is empty. You can do it that way, but it's probably not the best way to play.
No...
BrokenIcarus
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Yeah. i'm wondering too, the demo wasn't really indicative of any strategic use.
It was mostly spamming a few attack without using the analog sticks at all.
brainzelda
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I'm in the same boat. Played Ni No Kuni, Xenoblade, Tales of Graces, Atelier Ayesha, and Dream Team last year. And just this first half of the year will be Default and Lightning Returns. And I'm currently 10 hours into Xillia. I hope I don't burn myself out, but I guess that's a testament to the variety of battle systems and story that JRPGs bring, unlike other genres like FPSs.
Hexa
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As someone who hasn't played through any of the XIIIs, I had no idea WTF was going on story wise for any of the demo. Time to go play the first two it seems.
Game play wise it seemed fun though. Could have a lot of depth. If I'm understanding it correctly, the item limits, timer, XP only through quests, etc. make it impossible to grind so it'll be entirely skill based. Battle system seemed fun too and could have a lot of depth. For the demo I just randomly switched around without any solid strategy and it worked out fine though. xD
I thought everyone else was fine, but Lightning's voice is so bad.
Game play wise it seemed fun though. Could have a lot of depth. If I'm understanding it correctly, the item limits, timer, XP only through quests, etc. make it impossible to grind so it'll be entirely skill based. Battle system seemed fun too and could have a lot of depth. For the demo I just randomly switched around without any solid strategy and it worked out fine though. xD
I thought everyone else was fine, but Lightning's voice is so bad.
The stories in these games have very little in common beyond the characters, and even they are quite different. I wouldn't bother to play the previous entries, barring FFXIII-2, which is actually a very good game.
NavyPharaoh
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I like how he game keeps track of what works and what doesn't with the r2 button. With that being said staggers are usually counters. Like for Anubis u have to attack while he's getting ready to and the black balls (whatever their names are) u must strike when they enable the glutton.
I've gotten into the flow of combat switching here and there. I like it. Might be the first final fantasy I play since 13, I liked 13s combat but the fal'cie shit combined with Hope and Vanille annoying the fuck out of me made me quit. Idk if I wanna pre-order or wait...
Oh and SE r still the gods of CGI. Damn it looks soooo good
I've gotten into the flow of combat switching here and there. I like it. Might be the first final fantasy I play since 13, I liked 13s combat but the fal'cie shit combined with Hope and Vanille annoying the fuck out of me made me quit. Idk if I wanna pre-order or wait...
Oh and SE r still the gods of CGI. Damn it looks soooo good
BigBadShamoo
Banned
When the "Now loading" screen is displayed you can move the image of the CD around by moving the analog stick ^.^;;
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Seeing so many positive impressions here and the title mentioned so many times in the february buying list thread makes me so happy. Response is warmer than what I expected. I loved the DEMO and I'm glad I'm not the only one.
The story is tied to the previous two episodes for the most, but still presented in a way in which you can enjoy them as stand-alone titles with a prologue and an ending for each of those. If you like LR: FFXIII go playing this first, it'll not hurt then going back to XIII and playing XIII-2 next if you liked it. Games play also very differently from each other so it'll not feel like going back to more archaic mechanics or what.
The story is tied to the previous two episodes for the most, but still presented in a way in which you can enjoy them as stand-alone titles with a prologue and an ending for each of those. If you like LR: FFXIII go playing this first, it'll not hurt then going back to XIII and playing XIII-2 next if you liked it. Games play also very differently from each other so it'll not feel like going back to more archaic mechanics or what.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Played the demo about four times now. I knew I'd like the game but this sealed the deal. I still have to get used to the combat.
Oh and least when it comes to the demo, the graphics are fine. In fact, they're downright beautiful. Can't wait to have the U.S. version in my hands.
Oh and least when it comes to the demo, the graphics are fine. In fact, they're downright beautiful. Can't wait to have the U.S. version in my hands.
semiconscious
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same. probably doesn't help that my wife's playing ffix right now, but everything but the battle system felt just mind-bogglingly vapid/soulless to me (especially the protagonist herself). sooo friggin' melodramatic & overwrought. smh...
will wait for type-0/ffxv...
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Type-0? Unless I missed something, doubt we'll ever see a NA release of that.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
I've only played the demo for a few minutes, so I haven't finished it. But so far I'm pleasantly surprised by the framerate. It also doesn't look as fugly as XIII-2 was.
Can anyone who played the full JP game confirm if this is the case for the rest of the game? That may take my stance from "Never" to "Maybe, someday."
Can anyone who played the full JP game confirm if this is the case for the rest of the game? That may take my stance from "Never" to "Maybe, someday."
copelandmaster
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I'd call it an ATB rhythm combat system with action game offensive and defensive options really.
I believe the chime is the equivalent of a PERFECT! in DDR.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
In other words, he's going to be waiting forever.
Lumpy Onion
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Fantranslation almost done though, so he's probably referring to that.
Ah okay, thanks. If tapping works just as well as holding, then I guess I'll try that from now on. The latter wasn't much fun.
The fan-translation will probably be released in the next few weeks.
