stargateheaven
Member
i've got to the boss. i struggled on the way up, i have 2 ethers and nothing else. lol.
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII |OT| Toriyama's Bizarre Adventure
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i've got to the boss. i struggled on the way up, i have 2 ethers and nothing else. lol.
lolez2matt
Member
I don´t know why, but I think square could release a DLC of Kingdom Hearts (Sora Oufit, Donald wand, Goofy Shield) And I would buy it day one.
Itchy//Tasty
Member
A Mickey Mouse hat, as a metaphor for the severe Mickey Mousing Square have put Lightning through in the last few years.
apparently you hated XIII-2 yet you sing praise for LR's story ?
Most of it are poor extensions of XIII-2 and the execution is almost identical.At least XIII-2 picked up really well towards the end and had an original ending you could comprehend if you pay attention.
The characters are extremely flat and carbon copies of their 13 and 13-2 counter parts.Exact same arcs all over again but with worse delivery.
With the exception of lightning as a lead character , LR isn't any better than XIII-2 when it comes to writing and story.If anything its worse.
brandonh83
Banned
What difficulty should I start NG+ on? I beat it on normal on my first go but had some hard times. My next playthrough will be trophy-centric, so maybe easy just for smooth sailing?
SoraanTribal
Member
Well, I guess I'm gonna start LR today finally. It's weird, but I almost dread playing this game... which makes me think I shouldn't have even bought it. I just dread the time limit mainly even if it is lenient. It's a shame because I was really looking forward to XIII-2 when it came out and couldn't wait to play it. But with LR, it's been a completely different experience for me...
The time limit is really not a hinderance, you may feel overwhelmed day one but you can finish almost everything there is to do before day 7/8 hits
SoraanTribal
Member
Hope so. I've heard that several times now which makes me feel a little bit better. It's a shame how the game starts off with you feeling overwhelmed and didn't ease you into it a bit better.
Freezasaurus
Member
I'm picking up Symphonia this afternoon, but I'm planning on finishing LR before I start a new game.
Fleet_of_Foot
Member
After beating FF13 a couple weeks ago and, in the end, enjoying it, I decided to rush through FF13-2 so I could start Lightning Returns.
Last night I got to the end of 13-2 in barely 19 hours, and finally paid the price for my rushing. I couldn't beat the last boss. Put it on easy and even then, the last boss fight stretched on for 20 minutes and he was only half dead. I gave up, angry. Feels like my only option is to grind for a while and I'm just not in the mood. I'd rather do the grinding as I play the game, rather than at the end.
So I watched the ending of 13-2 just now on YouTube. I liked the ending, especially since I don't have to wait for the sequel like others. I definitely short-changed that game. I wish I'd taken my time. I did as little of the side stuff as possible. Maybe someday I'll start it over again. I ended up really like Noel as a character.
Anyway, probably will start Lightning Returns tonight. Despite a LOT of this universe lately, I'm ready to start yet another game. I've been listening to the LR soundtrack. I don't think it's as good as the 13 soundtrack but there are definitely some good tracks.
I plan to do the opposite of what I did with 13-2, and spend a lot of time on this game.
Last night I got to the end of 13-2 in barely 19 hours, and finally paid the price for my rushing. I couldn't beat the last boss. Put it on easy and even then, the last boss fight stretched on for 20 minutes and he was only half dead. I gave up, angry. Feels like my only option is to grind for a while and I'm just not in the mood. I'd rather do the grinding as I play the game, rather than at the end.
So I watched the ending of 13-2 just now on YouTube. I liked the ending, especially since I don't have to wait for the sequel like others. I definitely short-changed that game. I wish I'd taken my time. I did as little of the side stuff as possible. Maybe someday I'll start it over again. I ended up really like Noel as a character.
Anyway, probably will start Lightning Returns tonight. Despite a LOT of this universe lately, I'm ready to start yet another game. I've been listening to the LR soundtrack. I don't think it's as good as the 13 soundtrack but there are definitely some good tracks.
I plan to do the opposite of what I did with 13-2, and spend a lot of time on this game.
cpp_is_king
Member
Not that it matters since I'm practically done with the game, but where do you get Mythril and Adamantite Malistones from?
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Oooooo the DLC.... so tempting.
SilverArrow20XX
Walks in the Light of the Crystal
Hmmm. Now that I think about it. With all the monsters I extincted plus monsters like Anubys, I must have been somewhere around 1,900 or 2,000 kills. I got the 500 trophy pretty far into that. Maybe it is battles.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Lightning can't be in Kingdom Hearts, she would become to main character by nature of her amazingness.
Yeah, I've been looking around that area. I found the skeletons with the note that clearly relate to the quest, but there isn't a sandstorm anywhere around. I vaguely recall clearing one when I first went through the area, but it was so many weeks ago that I can't remember if I fought an enemy inside it.
Not to dwell on the topic, but the continual reemergence of this claim prompted me to dig up this post.
Not sure if the breast comments were mistranslations or if the changes were quickly taken out once the team saw their reception. Either way, I've never seen any evidence for any of the supposed changes (e.g. enhancement, jiggle) in the final game or any of the pre-release media.
And I just realized that the impractical pockets on the Savior garb are the same as the ones on her XIII-1 outfit...can't believe I didn't realize that before.
cpp_is_king
Member
After getting the 300 one last night, I counted every single one. I messed up and lost count a few times, but I was never off by more than about 5. I was regularly fighting 3 enemies at a time, but the trophy for 500 still popped after my encounter count was 197.
It will get me to buy a KH game.
Only reason why I bought the 3DS one was because TWEWY was in it.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Thinking about the story, one of the many problems I have is about just how direct it is. It's to the point where it's honestly a bit insulting.
So Lightning is going to confront Snow, but can't get through the door. What to do, what to do. Lightning then has an idea: Use the necklace that Snow gave Serah all those years ago to open the door. All along that necklace has been a symbol of Snow's love for Serah, so Lightning surmises that if Snow is truly "salvageable", the pendant will open the door where nothing else will. This is easy symbolism to understand and only needs to be acknowledged with a few words. "So, you still do love her" and a smirk from Snow would have been sufficient if they honestly felt the need to explain it. Any one who paid the slightest bit of attention during the past two games would have been able to figure it out. But what does the game do anyway? Have Lightning monologue to herself about what it all means, and then they have Snow comment on it for a bit. Every last detail is explained. So what could have been a clever little bit of symbolism now comes across as "hey, dumb shit. This is what this obvious symbolism means".
Same thing with the little girl who lost her doll in Luxerion. Rather than letting us infer the very obvious reason why Lightning would connect with the little girl, we get yet another monologue from Lightning "she hopes to see her mother, despite all the odds, just as I hope to see Serah".
Lightning's XIII arc is redone, only now at the very end, it is spelled out as much as possible. "Lumina is Claire Farron. She represents the weakness (not sure if I agree with this sentiment that emotions = weakness, but whatever) in Lightning. She is what Lightning has been trying to suppress all this time. If she can't accept it, she will never be whole again". Except rather than letting the player come to some conclusions, it's spelled out so much that, again, it's like the writers are saying "Didn't get it the first time in XIII? Fine, let us spell it out for you".
The game is full of this kind of stuff and it says a lot about what the writers thought of the audience. Rather than trust their audience to get the most obvious connections, they have Lightning or someone monologue extensively about it.
Same thing with the little girl who lost her doll in Luxerion. Rather than letting us infer the very obvious reason why Lightning would connect with the little girl, we get yet another monologue from Lightning "she hopes to see her mother, despite all the odds, just as I hope to see Serah".
Lightning's XIII arc is redone, only now at the very end, it is spelled out as much as possible. "Lumina is Claire Farron. She represents the weakness (not sure if I agree with this sentiment that emotions = weakness, but whatever) in Lightning. She is what Lightning has been trying to suppress all this time. If she can't accept it, she will never be whole again". Except rather than letting the player come to some conclusions, it's spelled out so much that, again, it's like the writers are saying "Didn't get it the first time in XIII? Fine, let us spell it out for you".
The game is full of this kind of stuff and it says a lot about what the writers thought of the audience. Rather than trust their audience to get the most obvious connections, they have Lightning or someone monologue extensively about it.
cpp_is_king
Member
I felt the same thing especially during the side quests. Every single quest that is multiple stages, each time you pick up an object Hope chimes in and is like "Lightning, you found a hat. Remember how the guy said you needed to find 5 hats? I bet that hat you just found is the one he's looking for. Since he said to find 5, and you found 1, you need just 4 more hats."
It's like SHUT THE FUCK UP HOPE. I FUCKING GOT IT, ALRIGHT?
Liferebooted
Banned
I've had the game since launch and I'm still not very far into it, I'm at
The more I do play it though the more I enjoy it, it just really needs a quest tracker, I mean my god when I go into my quest log and click a quest to see what items I need\have I can't even press a key to go to the next quest, I have to back out and then go down the menu for each and everyone one wth.
I think I'll just start saving my quest trophies for my NG+. I'm playing on normal and so far its been really easy, though I hear the boss I'm going to fight soon is really hard. >.>
In the end I just wish that Hope would STFU I don't even listen to what he says anymore. =\
just got the white chocobo and am looking for more food.
I think I'll just start saving my quest trophies for my NG+. I'm playing on normal and so far its been really easy, though I hear the boss I'm going to fight soon is really hard. >.>
In the end I just wish that Hope would STFU I don't even listen to what he says anymore. =\
I finally beat this game and wow is the combat still as lame as the first one. I went into the game thinking it had this completely revamped combat system but it's still awful. Square-Enix just can't seem to make a decent combat system these days. I mean Final Fantasy XIV they ripped of WoW's combat system? what a joke.
Also the dropped frames in the overworld in this game got annoying. Stop rushing crap games out, SE.
Also the dropped frames in the overworld in this game got annoying. Stop rushing crap games out, SE.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
NPC: "This is actually where they meet."
Hope: "That's important information, Light!"
Me: "No Shit"
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Because I don't agree with their reviews?
That said the script of LR: FFXIII must be one of the biggest in the franchise not including for obvious reasons MMORPGs. Doesn't tell anything about the quality of it, but it's impressive how many lines (all voiced) are in here. From NPCs to quest details, datalogs, especially Hope's interactions. It's HUGE, sometimes is even easy getting lost in it. So much stuff going on.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
You aren't just disagreeing with them, you are flat out calling them liars, impugn their integrity, and categorically dismiss any opinion that doesn't meet a certain criteria.
Perfo, you know WHAT you've exactly said. Don't try to fucking spin this. You said they're opinions are fake and worthless just because they didn't score to your liking.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Sakurai disagrees; you should feel bad.
To each his own, of course.
SoraanTribal
Member
So when you save your game and quit, does it put you back exactly where you saved it with the exact time left on the clock?
Sakurai?
(Personally I didn't care for FF14's combat either. Too slow for my liking)
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
I think Sakurai commented on how much he liked LR's combat or something.
HawthorneKitty's post was slightly in jest, though it is worth mentioning that there's a lot more people than just one developer who love the battle system. Doesn't mean everyone has to, obviously, but the reception to it is very positive.
oh yeah dont get me wrong, nothing wrong with people liking it either!
SoraanTribal
Member
That's good, thanks!
So since I had so many new garbs to switch to, I stopped using The Savior already - it didn't seem that great. I'm using Siegfried, Cloud, and Yuna currently. Those decent to start the game with?
Itchy//Tasty
Member
Just finished the game, that was a hell of a spectacular ending. Corny, but I liked it.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I said that most of the reviews that gave out those scores are to be dismessed as fakes. I totally said that. But I also said I respect Edge's 6. And it's a 6. Problem is that a 6 from Edge is something you can relate to. A 6 or 5 or 4 from "certain" generalist magazines are... in this case and similar cases, unprofessional. I also strongly think that for real most of them didn't go beyond the first couple of hours in Luxerion. Or at least it appears as that by readying alot of them.
This game is a 7/8 game that can go 'till 6 if a respected publication like Edge is the one giving it. But everyone else... I laugh.
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guys, how long is the 13th day?
Isn't this still the same thing though? You're dismissing anyone's opinions for not liking the game, which is what we're criticizing you about in the first place.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I'm dismissing reviews written without playing the game or based on their opinion of what they think their readers expect or previous experiences with XIII, XIII-2 and the series in general.
How do you decide whether they've played it or not, though?
See, now you're saying they haven't played the game just because they gave it a score lower than 7. Seriously?
Yeah,thats what I am doing...I didnt finish the game though,it told me fuck you after 10 days lol...not sure I will go through it again but I want to beat the crap out of Snow at least so I may go that far lol...
They definitely aren't bad garbs. Arguably, Cloud and Yuna are slightly OP at the beginning of the game (Because of Buster Sword's Slayer property and Yuna's Elementa). If you like playing with them, though, you should go for it!
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Because if you read the reviews and played the game, you then realize it.
Also because I'm sure no one got the time to sit and play 60 hrs of a jRPG nowdays. So if you're not an honest writer, like Edge's reviewers are, you're gonna screw for sure. And they did screw big this time, alot of them. For the sake of clicks or of their ego. Luckily a great part of players, that have more time with them and are for the most more honest people (for obvious reasons), are widely liking LR:FFXIII. It's a typical game downvoted by "critics" (lol) and appreciated by the community. I anticipated this in the past: it's like NiER and Demon Souls, nothing less, nothing more.
SoraanTribal
Member
haha yeah, I noticed Yuna's Elementa was quite powerful, but cool.
So when can I get Mediguard? I'd like to get it ASAP as it looks useful to restore HP without wasting gil. I'm still on the first Day and waiting until 6am basically for the numbers to appear. It said I could leave, but I'm just exploring Luxerion for the time being. Not sure if I can leave to get Mediguard now or not.
That is your argument? Really? You're telling me literally nothing with this.
That doesn't seriously make any sense. Going by this logic then no one should review the game just because!
You're still repeating yourself and not telling me actually anything. You're saying the same thing you've said a few posts ago.
Okay, let's try this. What do you think of normal players who has played through the entire game and didn't like it and would score it much lower than a 7?
DarknessTear
Banned
I finally got around to beating the game. This is a black mark on the franchise, and the XIII saga as a whole. Shame.
4/10
4/10
Who cares how big the script is when the majority of it is garbage?
That is some terrible logic. So you're saying my review is invalid even though I played the entire game?