Who pays for that I wonder.
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Limo burned at inauguration protest was owned by a Muslim immigrant; cost him $70,000
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Who pays for that I wonder.
I wrote a post earlier in this thread about how it's an unfair generalization to say that all anarchists are okay with the wanton destruction of property. It is a surprisingly diverse school of thought and it would be unfair to paint them all with the same brush since many -- perhaps most -- are actually not advocating destroying the property of strangers.
A lot of those who believe that property is oppression do not believe in combating that by lighting up a limousine.
If there had been one there instead, I know this conversation would be the same.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That's happening somewhere. It's in one of the articles. I have no way of determining its legitimacy though, which is why I didn't link it.
Yes because you would be more right about it being a symbol of wealth and still not right about it making sense to destroy it.
blankempathy
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Sure they can but that doesn't mean that they do. Limos are so common that my first thought is never "wow that must be someone with money". Its usually me wondering if its prom season. Now seeing cars that cost way beyond 70k makes me think that is someone with money. Certain cars are a far bigger symbol of wealth and are actually owned by those with a substantial amount of wealth. Limos aren't one of them.
I apologize to the sensible anarchists out there. I've never come across one who was willing to speak sensibly about it. I made a dumb generalization from what I've experienced first hand without really doing any research into it.
No one would blame you. Anarchists have terrible PR.
Phrozenflame500
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I'm not particularly fond of random, unprovoked property damage. I'd be more then happy to see the people involved imprisoned, this really just makes everyone look bad.
Askherserenity
Member
I feel so bad for this dude. Must be incredibly annoying to have to deal with this and hopefully people will help him pay for it...
But this is way too ironic to not be kind of funny. People are assholes.
Seriously, what are the chances that an expensive car wouldn't be owned by a white man? You can't blame the protesters, c'mon now...
But this is way too ironic to not be kind of funny. People are assholes.
Seriously, what are the chances that an expensive car wouldn't be owned by a white man? You can't blame the protesters, c'mon now...
When so many people riot that it topples a government, the cause they are rioting for is not anarchy.
Because most pepole, especially those not in the first world, know anarchy is a silly thing to wish for.
Chittagong
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It's so fucking intellectually lazy. I know a lot of HNWI and UHNWI people and none of them would go anywhere near a limo, it's tacky as hell, for college kids, hen dos and newly weds.
Rich people either a) drive super cars - Ferrari, Tesla, Maserati or b) are driven around in luxury cars such ad big BMWs or Mercedes, or if they are really tacky, Rolls Royce. Never ever a limo, unless it's one from a strip club.
It's pretty much in line with how much effort anarchists put into life, not even understanding the people they are fighting against. They just want to get attention and crave handouts.
Rich people either a) drive super cars - Ferrari, Tesla, Maserati or b) are driven around in luxury cars such ad big BMWs or Mercedes, or if they are really tacky, Rolls Royce. Never ever a limo, unless it's one from a strip club.
It's pretty much in line with how much effort anarchists put into life, not even understanding the people they are fighting against. They just want to get attention and crave handouts.
kame-sennin
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Yeah, I don't know why you would get in semantic or tactical debates with liberals. Either you support militant resistance or you want some kind of reform. Militants might disagree on whether this action was the right way to go, but reformist liberals don't care about the details. As soon as you break the rules established by the state, you're in the wrong.
You have no idea what 'anarchy' means in this context.
I am wondering if you would tell spooky shit if they burned your car
Many see a massive gulf between unrestricted militancy and achieving reform only through the mechanisms of the state. Their boundaries of acceptable forms of protest transcend the law and, indeed, your ideological paradigm.
In short, this is a false dichotomy. I believe it is not okay to torch a stranger's car and I am absolutely not a reformist.
We already did the "unfairly generalize anarchists" thing in this thread.
Thats racist.
Askherserenity
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Yeah, that was my point...
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
There's a lot of rules to choose from, many of which don't involve committing violence against your fellow humans.
We got the popular vote and still lost everything. I can see why someone might think working within the system is not enough.
kame-sennin
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Destroying property is not violence.
Mr_Antimatter
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Disruption can be good, if targeted properly. That's why, say, a strike or boycott can work.
Phrozenflame500
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I'm pretty sure it is by definition
As mentioned already, you pay for that. Unless of course, you pay no taxes. But even then, you're still paying for it, because that money could have gone to some other public spending which could have benefitted you (roads for example).
The only property damage that makes sense in an anti-Trump protest, is against Trump's property. And even then, as much as I'd like Mar-a-lago to go down in flames, it's still not good strategy, because it'll make Trump a victim/martyr in the eyes of a sizable portion of the country.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
1. The driver of the car was injured, as people were damaging it while he was still inside.
2. If the loss bankrupts the owner and puts his family into hardship, how is that not harm, and how then, is that not a form of violence?
I thought this was just a funny meme
The only people I've seen posting that limo photo have been conservatives, using the photo as their justification for dismissing the millions of people marching as violent immature children who should be beaten down by police. It did nothing but give the Trump supporters ammo for their delusions.
Very few business owners can absorb a $70,000 sudden cost, especially when that cost takes away a substantial source of income for their business. And that's not even counting the physical injuries to the driver and the costs of that. It's utterly unnecessary.
As it says in the OP, the owner doesn't know if his insurance policy covers riots.
EYEL1NER
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Some kids in my daughter's second grade class got a limo ride to a McDonalds because they sold X number of items in the most-recent fundraiser.
There's a defense force for this shit too?
Destroying an icon of extreme wealth and marking it with a traditional American motto isn't counter-productive. It's a substantial blow against Trump and what he stands for, sending the message that many Americans are willing to fight back against the repressions of his government. You are free to take issue with destruction of property, but these actions are not meaningless.
chillybright
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Wow dear god
Some of these responses.
What has gaf become?
Some of these responses.
What has gaf become?
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
People defending this shit, are you willing to have your property/livelihood burned to the ground for "symbolism"?
What is this supposed to mean?
jacob armitage
Banned
Awe, thats a shame. Could he start a GoFund me page perhaps to get some public aid?
Agreed, but that's a practical call, not a moral one.
Or to put it another way - if I thought that burning some poor guy's car could really help save the ACA, DACA or fucking Medicare I would be all for it.
Caayn
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Why do people feel the need to destroy/damage property that doesn't belong to them in order to aid their stance?
Resorting to damage/violence only shows weakness, wether it's a limo or a "nazi".
Resorting to damage/violence only shows weakness, wether it's a limo or a "nazi".
What the.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I think if a group is literally only in the news for coopting peaceful protests, burning stuff down and assaulting people as well as squatting in buildings until a police battle insues, it's time to get a better PR manager or deal with being called out on that.
And I'm not exaggerating, that's really all you ever hear.
Now on topic, of course this case of vandalizing property is horrible and indefensible, no matter the race or religion (although of course the circumstances do make it more ironic, in the sense of trumps anti-muslim rhetoric). Thankfully it seems like some sort of fundraising is on the way.
NoMoreTrolls
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Destruction of personal property is horseshit. I hope everyone who is advocating this kind of nonsense gets their cars keyed, stolen, or firebombed too see how shitty it feels.
You understand it's not something that happened by chance or on its own, right?
Anarchism has been vilified and misrepresented in a similar way and for similar reasons as socialism (and to a lesser degree liberalism). It has just been more effective because anarchists have very few (if any) allies within the two major parties.
LookAtMeGo
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Doesnt Trump have any buildings in the area they could have focused on?
His Majesty
Banned
Can't believe some people here are advocating for the destruction of property. Who owns it doesn't matter, you don't do that kind of shit.
This reminds me of the London riots, to a much smaller extent.
The people rioting were shouting about how they were resisting the elite, and those with money and power.
In reality they were just stealing from and destroying small businesses. Making a few people who were struggling to get by lose their livelihood.
The people rioting were shouting about how they were resisting the elite, and those with money and power.
In reality they were just stealing from and destroying small businesses. Making a few people who were struggling to get by lose their livelihood.
Damaging personal property is a crime, and an act of violence.
I will never understand people who think damaging other people's stuff because of your own political anger and desire to LARP a violent revolution is a fine and acceptable action to take.
Don't physically attack people, and don't destroy others belongings. It's not complicated.
I will never understand people who think damaging other people's stuff because of your own political anger and desire to LARP a violent revolution is a fine and acceptable action to take.
Don't physically attack people, and don't destroy others belongings. It's not complicated.
Langdon Alger
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Wow, maybe those people worried about white genocide aren't so crazy after all.
Rentahamster
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Let's not go crazy now. I'm anecdotally describing a relatively small number of people.
littleworm
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Don't be ridiculous, there isn't a single building that is the literal embodiment of the group they oppose for miles. Best just set this limo on fire.
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