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[Markio128]

I’ve seen it said that it’s easy to implement Pro awareness/support. You say it requires extensive coding. Which is it? I would imagine it’s in Sony’s interest to make it as easy as possible to add Pro support, otherwise nobody adds it and the Pro is DOA.

That there are 90 games already confirmed to be Pro enhanced suggests that it isn’t too much hassle. Personally, I think patches will only be applied to games that have a good chance to attract more sales. Sony probably feels like adding Pro support to the likes of Returnal is a bit of a fools errand.

Saying that, it could be one of the games that benefits from boost mode, of which we know very little about at this point.

 

[DinoD]

If no SH2R patch

 

[Kerotan]

My brain exploded trying to read that last tweet. Can you dumb it down for me?

 

[ShakenG]

If no SH2R patch

Any day now i reckon.

Kerotan
Base PS5 had 40hz mode for the quality mode.
Pro will have the same mode for its enhanced quality mode.
So if you wish to have the 40fps. Youll still get that.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's a beloved game that runs poorly on PS5.

The actual coding to make it enhanced is not that significant, although I get that they are a smaller studio.

It does? I played through it and never noticed it running poorly at all that I can remember.

Could it look better with the PC graphical enhancements? Def yes.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It does? I played through it and never noticed it running poorly at all that I can remember.

Could it look better with the PC graphical enhancements? Def yes.

Well when I say poorly I just mean the resolution was soft and there were some drops during hectic parts

It was playable absolutely but not a sharp and 100% stable game

 

[Saberus]

My brain exploded trying to read that last tweet. Can you dumb it down for me?

If your Tv supports VRR. 120HZ.. then you can run 30 HZ games (that support this) at higher frame rate...

 

[JaksGhost]

My brain exploded trying to read that last tweet. Can you dumb it down for me?

If you have a 120hz TV/Monitor you can play the Fidelity Pro Mode with all of the new RT features at 40fps for smoother gameplay and less lag over 30fps. If you don't one have, the option is maxed at 30fps. As much as Riky got on my nerves at times buying an LG QNED85 was a great overall investment this generation.

 

[Felessan]

Maybe because Sony is selling this $700 system (actually its a $780 system) and it's a Sony exclusive that came out this generation and even got a PC version that easily surpasses the console version? Not a good look for any Sony exclusive not to get a Pro patch.

Yeah... tell it Bloodborne with its PS4Pro patch.
Sony has tons of exclusive that will not get "ongoing support", Pro patch included, for various reasons. And Sony has no obligations to do so.
Efforts should be put in proper place. If it's unreasonable to do a Pro patch, than it's unreasonable.

It's a beloved game that runs poorly on PS5.

The actual coding to make it enhanced is not that significant, although I get that they are a smaller studio.

Its a little bit more complex than that. The project itself probably scrapped and archived long time ago as studio moved forward (even PC port was not done by HMQ).
To get it back operational and get people familiar with it will require some efforts and time before coding itself can even start. There are a big difference between projects with ongoing support and projects that were moved from 3 years ago.

The fuck you mean it ain't in Sony's interest? I should be asking "What the fuck you mean?" on half your post 'cause that shit is so ESL it's crazy. But what the fuck do you mean Sony's first party fucking game, that was a launch title for PlayStation 5, used to sell the PlayStation 5, is not a priority for it's PlayStation 5 Pro? Half the studios working on patching pre-existing games, meaning games that came out before...I'd say, 2022, are smaller studios. How in the flying fuck is Returnal, and their developer Housemarque, not a priority?
This site is pro-PlayStation. Come on man you can do better than that.
I ain't sayin' Returnal is Grand Theft Auto, we all know that. But it is still YOUR first party game, and therefore YOUR priority. Weird to think otherwise.

Not their priority. It's your wishes and nothing more.
Sony priority is to make and sell games, among others. So it should focus on efforts that increase sales. Cost of Returnal patch is delaying a new game. And getting Housemarque to divert resources to a dead game, whose sales probably hover just over zero, when they are now in mid to mid-late stage of a new game is unreasonable.

I’ve seen it said that it’s easy to implement Pro awareness/support. You say it requires extensive coding. Which is it? I would imagine it’s in Sony’s interest to make it as easy as possible to add Pro support, otherwise nobody adds it and the Pro is DOA.

Easy but not free. And coding is not the only efforts required.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Its a little bit more complex than that. The project itself probably scapped and archived long time ago as studio moved forward (even PC port was not done by HMQ).
To get it back operational and get people familiar with it will require some efforts and time before coding itself can even start. There are a big difference between projects with ongoing support and projects that were moved from 3 years ago.

True, but presumably their next game is running on the same engine, so it makes sense to try and get the Pro mode running which will benefit not only Returnal but their next game. Similar to what Insomniac is doing. I think it's an inevitability

 

[nashman]

Playing alot of HZD remaster, GT7 and NMS this week to see if there is a big difference. Will report my findings this weekend.

 

[Kerotan]

If you have a 120hz TV/Monitor you can play the Fidelity Pro Mode with all of the new RT features at 40fps for smoother gameplay and less lag over 30fps. If you don't one have, the option is maxed at 30fps. As much as Riky got on my nerves at times buying an LG QNED85 was a great overall investment this generation.

Yeah I have a Sony 120fps TV with VRR and it's great. I'm just trying to see what improvement this mode has on the Pro or is it the same.

 

[JaksGhost]

Yeah I have a Sony 120fps TV with VRR and it's great. I'm just trying to see what improvement this mode has on the Pro or is it the same.

They added higher resolution RT reflections and additional features that were exclusively on PC before but now the Pro can take advantage of them as well.

Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart

RT Reflections: Medium (Performance) / High (Fidelity default)
Set the quality level for ray-traced reflections. The “Medium” setting ray-traces at half render resolution, and the “High” setting ray-traces at full render resolution. The “High” setting will also improve smoothness of animation in reflections. Only available in the “Fidelity Pro” graphics mode.



RT Ambient Occlusion : Off (Performance) / Medium / High (Fidelity default)
Use ray-tracing to compute additional ambient occlusion lighting information. The “Medium” setting uses that information to augment screen-space ambient occlusion. The “High” setting also adds a screen-space GI bounce for additional ambient lighting information. The visual impact of this feature will vary greatly based on the scene.

Spider-Man 2

RT Key Light Shadows : Off (Performance) / On (Fidelity default)
Use ray-tracing to calculate sun shadows at mid- to far-distance, replacing cascaded shadow maps. This improvement is most impactful on city views. Only available in the “Fidelity Pro” graphics mode.



RT Reflections & Interiors : Medium (Performance) / High (Fidelity default)
Set the quality level for ray-traced reflections and building window interiors. The “Medium” setting ray-traces at half render resolution, and the “High” setting ray-traces at full render resolution. The “High” setting will also improve smoothness of animation in reflections and interiors. Only available in the “Fidelity Pro” graphics mode.



RT Ambient Occlusion : Off (Performance) / Medium / High (Fidelity default)
Use ray-tracing to compute additional ambient occlusion lighting information. The “Medium” setting uses that information to augment screen-space ambient occlusion. The “High” setting also adds a screen-space GI bounce for additional ambient lighting information. The visual impact of this feature will vary greatly based on the scene.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Still no Concord PRO patch announcement!?! What the hell is Sony doing!!! Sony must be STOPPED!!!

 

[diffusionx]

It dipped into the low 50s pretty frequently.

Pro should be able to run it at 60fps without a patch but yea lets keep the hyperbole flowing.

 

[Radical_3d]

 

[jm89]

If no SH2R patch

At the very least it may benefit from boost mode without a patch.

Boost mode is what i'm really interested seeing in action.

But yeah patch would be better.

 

[NeonGhost]

Losing hope for a black ops 6 patch

 

[FUBARx89]

If no SH2R patch

PSSR plug in is in the files, so I'd imagine it will get a Pro patch.

 

[Luipadre]

Hmm

 

[Felessan]

Hmm

It's PS4 Pro setting

 

[Luipadre]

It's PS4 Pro setting

No, this is PS5 pro

 

[digdug2]

Pro should be able to run it at 60fps without a patch but yea lets keep the hyperbole flowing.

Where's the hyperbole?! It's no exaggeration that this game with 1080p internal resolution dips down to 50 fps.

 

[mrqs]

Hmm

What would 'enhance image quality' even mean? Is that just the boost mode?

 

[Luipadre]

What would 'enhance image quality' even mean? Is that just the boost mode?

Some kind of AA that makes them look better? Obvsiously not PSSR quality, more something like FXAA

Its not the boost mode because it specifically mentions PS4 games not PS5

 

[digdug2]

Some kind of AA that makes them look better. Obvsiously not PSSR quality, more something like FXAA

Have there been any examples shown yet of any games taking advantage of this mode?

 

[Woody337]

It would be nice if there would ever be a patch or this that would make RDR2 not look like minecraft

 

[Luipadre]

Have there been any examples shown yet of any games taking advantage of this mode?

You wont get anything officially until the embargo is up next wednesday. Hopefully we'll get some shit soon "unofficially"

 

[Anchovie123]

Bloodborne with enhanced image quality?

 

[mrqs]

Some kind of AA that makes them look better? Obvsiously not PSSR quality, more something like FXAA

Its not the boost mode because it specifically mentions PS4 games not PS5

Thought of that but it would be pretty weird. Curious to see!

 

[digdug2]

You wont get anything officially until the embargo is up next wednesday. Hopefully we'll get some shit soon "unofficially"

In the past two days, we have gone from knowing jack-shit to learning a good bit about the console! All unofficial!

 

[digdug2]

Bloodborne with enhanced image quality?

I know that this most likely won't fix the frame-pacing, but if AA were added to the game it would still be a step up.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

What would 'enhance image quality' even mean? Is that just the boost mode?

I heard about this and initially thought people were mistaken, it's clearly a system level approach so my guess is that it is a forced upscaler, but nothing really adds up for this setting at least at first glance.

They specifically say image quality rather than framerates. So at the end of the day, I think it is just going to force games into a higher resolution, but honestly I'm not sure what the value of that would be.

And it's not something they're actively advertising.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Bloodborne with enhanced image quality?

 

[Elios83]

Hmm

It's the game boost feature that should help games with DRS running at the maximum allowed resolution.
It doesn't mean that PSSR is enabled and it won't help with games with a fixed resolution output.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It's the game boost feature that should help games with DRS running at the maximum allowed resolution.
It doesn't mean that PSSR is enabled and it won't help with games with a fixed resolution output.

That doesn't add up. Can you think of a single game from PS4 that has DRS that isn't already maxed out by PS5?

 

[Luipadre]

Bloodborne with enhanced image quality?

They tried it, it had no effect, dream is dead

 

[MikeM]

What would 'enhance image quality' even mean? Is that just the boost mode?

Probably a driver- level upscaler similar to what you find on PC like RSR. Would be cool if that is the case.

 

[blastprocessor]

Hmm

What would be good is a "Enhanced 60fps for PS4 games" so you can play games like drive club at 60 fps.

 

[Umbral]

It's the game boost feature that should help games with DRS running at the maximum allowed resolution.
It doesn't mean that PSSR is enabled and it won't help with games with a fixed resolution output.

You’re 100% guessing but you speak with 100% certainty and I’m not sure why.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Bloodborne with enhanced image quality?

Seems like there is no difference

 

[Mibu no ookami]

What would be good is a "Enhanced 60fps for PS4 games" so you can play games like drive club at 60 fps.

Would be difficult to do this at the system level. Look at what the guy had to do to get Bloodborne working at 60 fps without doubling the speed of the game. He had to change the settings of various things that were all tied to the framerate of the game down to how cloth reacts...

 

[Elios83]

That doesn't add up. Can you think of a single game from PS4 that has DRS that isn't already maxed out by PS5?

You’re 100% guessing but you speak with 100% certainty and I’m not sure why.

PSRR support isn't system wide or auto enabled, this has been confirmed by a few developers working on the Pro.
So either these people spread bs, or this feature is pretty much what we already had on PS5 in principle.
But we'll see in a few days.

 

[BlitzerRadic]

It's PS4 Pro setting

Since when PS4 Pro have VRR lmao

 

[FUBARx89]

Seems like there is no difference

Shame. Presume you have your unit now?

 

[digdug2]

It's PS4 Pro setting

Probably not. PS5 is already at PS4 Pro + setting...

Edit: I say PS4 Pro + because there were multiple PS4 Pro enhanced games that took advantage of PS5's increased power. Days Gone and Horizon Zero Dawn are two examples.

 

[jshackles]

Looking at this list, there isn't one fighting game listed here. Not even Dragon Ball is on this list, and a new Dragon Ball game just came out. Sparkling Zero is the name of the new Dragon Ball game, and Dragon Ball, along with Tekken 8 earlier this year, as well as MK1 and Street Fighter from last year, are all conspicuously missing from this list, and just so far in general.
It's fuckin' Friday November 1st, and with less than a week to go until this thing releases, you would have figured we'd have "some" word on the three biggest fighting games in video games.
Nothing from Namco, nothing from Capcom....nothing from Netherealm. Capcom never gave us a version of Street Fighter V (5) that ran well, or equal to, the PC version, for PS5. The PS4 could never run a PC-quality version of SFV, but at least a 5, and especially a Pro 5 version could.
Netherealm at least has taken advantage of whatever technology was there for their games, be it MK11 running on PS5, or MK1 also running on the 5.
Tekken is in the same boat as Street Fighter with Capcom. There fighting games never get enhancement treatment, due to them being too old, which would likely be the reason that most would use.
No excuses for Any fighting game made for PS5 not to have enhancements, because they all came out after 2023. If anyone broached this topic and discussed it already, then my apologies for not looking you up.

Mortal Kombat 1 is on the list though

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Shame. Presume you have your unit now?

I am at my buddies to pick mine up but we have been playing around on his for now

Should have mine home Sunday night, might play depending on how tired I am after traveling

Monday afternoon more likely as I am trading in my Bronco and my new one is in so getting that first thing

 

[Mibu no ookami]

PSRR support isn't system wide or auto enabled, this has been confirmed by a few developers working on the Pro.

No one said it was PSSR, though it could very well be system level PSSR specifically on PS4 titles. You wouldn't want to do this on PS5 because games are already using reconstruction like FSR, so the result would be muddy and you would have an impact on performance.

So either these people spread bs, or this feature is pretty much what we already had on PS5 in principle.

If it was what the PS5 has in principle, it wouldn't need to have a toggle.

But we'll see in a few days.

Critical thinking and deduction suggests you're off base. Obviously we'll know for sure in a few days, but that doesn't mean we can't speculate critically...

 

[digdug2]

I am at my buddies to pick mine up but we have been playing around on his for now

Should have mine home Sunday night, might play depending on how tired I am after traveling

Monday afternoon more likely as I am trading in my Bronco and my new one is in so getting that first thing

Damn... Getting PS5 Pro and a new Bronco this week. You're living pretty well.