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Mad Men - Season 7, Part 2 - The End of an Era - AMC Sundays
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sooperkool
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I don't know much about depression but Don does not seem at all like he's in a state of mind where he might kill himself. This is the guy that once said, "This never happened. You won't believe how much this never happened" to Peggy.
I just feel like Don offing himself would kind of come out of left field for me.
I just feel like Don offing himself would kind of come out of left field for me.
I'm just not feeling this half of the season. Just feels like every character is going through the motions. I want emotion and mystery.
And yeah. There's nothing that reminds me of suicide. All the foreshadowing is gone. It would for sure come out of left field at this point.
And yeah. There's nothing that reminds me of suicide. All the foreshadowing is gone. It would for sure come out of left field at this point.
ClivePwned
Member
Don's a survivor, but he's also more likely to run than end it all.
Based on Trudy's attitude, I wouldn't put it past Trudy and Pete to try again- They're made for each other.
Yeah, that bit where the principle was using any excuse to knock back tammy's application was great.
Ken. "No."
Fuck you, Lew. you know it won't end well for you.
edit: I totally missed that Jared Harris (Lane) directed this episode
Based on Trudy's attitude, I wouldn't put it past Trudy and Pete to try again- They're made for each other.
Yeah, that bit where the principle was using any excuse to knock back tammy's application was great.
Ken. "No."
Fuck you, Lew. you know it won't end well for you.
edit: I totally missed that Jared Harris (Lane) directed this episode
he cashed out, Sterling mentions it during the episode.
EDIT: the exact phrase was: "after all that, Jim Cutler wins. All that cash and no McCann... I hate that guy"
Lumpy Onion
Member
Great episode. Loved the talk about Tatsunoko doing an anime of Scout's Honor. They did Macross (Robotech) which was what got me into anime as a kid. And my older brother with Speed Racer way back when.
And I knew I recognized that kid who got stapled from somewhere...
And I knew I recognized that kid who got stapled from somewhere...
ClivePwned
Member
so basically, 3 episodes left. Is that likely to be the time left in the SC & P offices before finally moving to McCann or are we just going to jump straight to new digs next week?
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I think the next episode is packing. The following episode is everyone leaving SC&P. The finale will be the greatest finale of all time.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
So what's the reaction going to be if the final episode doesn't open with the titles sequence?
I expect it to be just another episode like we've been getting TBH.
ClivePwned
Member
meltingparappa
Member
Pete is talking to Trudy, maybe sees a spark of why they got together in the first place and that it's possible to reconcile... aaaaaaaaand he's inspired to land the laxative client.
I thought about them coming together but it feels like we are too close to the end for them to develop that relationship again. At least they can mend it enough to get along for their daughter's sake
movie_club
Junior Member
Lou Avery, Season 6, Japan
Lou Avery, Season 6, Japan
Well I'll be damned
So I just re-watched all of Mad Men over the last 2 weeks with a friend of mine.
We noticed something pretty amazing.
When Pete Campbell tells Cooper about Dick Whitman, Cooper says the following to Don - "Fire him if you want. But I'd keep an eye on him. One never knows how loyalty is born."
And through out the series, you see how loyal Pete truly is to Don. He tells Don about the PP&L purchase, and he's the one that sides with him during the push-out by Cutler.
Peter Campbell has definitely become my favourite character, and watching his development in such a short timespan (2 weeks of binge watching) was fascinating.
We noticed something pretty amazing.
When Pete Campbell tells Cooper about Dick Whitman, Cooper says the following to Don - "Fire him if you want. But I'd keep an eye on him. One never knows how loyalty is born."
And through out the series, you see how loyal Pete truly is to Don. He tells Don about the PP&L purchase, and he's the one that sides with him during the push-out by Cutler.
Peter Campbell has definitely become my favourite character, and watching his development in such a short timespan (2 weeks of binge watching) was fascinating.
Blue Bomber
Member
I'm a little late but i thought it was a terrific episode.
I like how the final few episodes appear to center around the absorption of SC&P by McCann. McCann, in a way, represents the inevitability of the future. It's happening whether you like it or not. But is it the beginning of something or the end? (as Don was referencing in the end of the episode). And this ties into one of the central themes of this final season which is what do you really want out of life. What makes you happy in the end. (Burt Cooper alluded to this in his swan song, "the best things in life are free")
McCann, at least in relation to the central characters of the show, means financial stability. Money won't be an issue for them. It's an "advertiser's dream" as it was described in this episode. But the big question is: is that the only thing that matters? Joan, for example, may lose all the respect she earned while working as a woman at SC&P and may have to endure a sexist environment at McCann. (She already got a taste of the sexism earlier in this season). Roger and Don, who have poured a lot of their lives into SC&P, will be losing their independence and the legacy of the company they have built. It's like losing a part of your identity. And even though they were making assurances to the rest of the employees at SC&P, it's quite likely that a lot of the people not under contract will be out of a job. There is a lot of uncertainty in the air.
Yet, despite all this, I like how some characters are taking the news better than expected. Ted for example, who was a mess in Part 1 of the final season, seems to be taking this with some stride and I think a big reason why is that he has finally found someone. In fact, I see that as an ongoing trend in this final season. Roger also admitted to Don that he has fallen for Marie Calvet. Joan has found herself a new beau. There were even hints of a possible reconciliation between Pete and Trudy in this episode. So despite all the difficulties and uncertainty with the new McCann developments, these characters who have found something more important outside of their work, appear to have more confidence in tackling whatever future awaits them.
The big question mark is of course with Don. He's losing his apartment and he will soon be losing the company that he built. He's also recently divorced. In fact the only thing that really seems to be important to him recently outside of work is Diane the waitress who has mysteriously vanished yet again. Outside of the millions of dollars he has, he doesn't really have anything. That is, unless he finally figures out what he really wants out of life.
Last, but certainly not the least, is Peggy who had perhaps one of my favorite scenes of the episode (if not the season). I'm really glad that they found a way to tie her current storyline back to the child she gave up all those years ago. (a part of me was wondering in the last couple seasons if they were ever going to address this issue). Peggy had a child too early and had to choose between her career or parenthood. In the end of course she chose her career and has been living with the consequences ever since. I like that in the final season, Peggy has been subconsciously haunted by this decision, from her close relationship with the young neighbor Julio all the way to this episode with the children focus group and that young girl that was left behind because her busy mother. One of the reasons why Peggy had such a successful career is that she is a single mother. But now in her 30s, she has a lot more time to reflect on that decision. Going into the final few episodes, it will be interesting to see if Peggy can find the value in her work at McCann that would justify this decision. Powerful scene with Peggy and Stan (probably one of my favorite moments between the two)
Only 3 episodes left and it really is starting to feel like the end.
Nice song choice at the end even if it was a bit on the nose: Money Burns a Hole In My Pocket by Dean Martin
I agree with the subverting expectations. I thought for a brief moment that Don was going to use his silver tongue to save the day yet again.
Also, lol at Lou's phone call. Too bad we may never get the chance to see the Scout's Honor anime
I like how the final few episodes appear to center around the absorption of SC&P by McCann. McCann, in a way, represents the inevitability of the future. It's happening whether you like it or not. But is it the beginning of something or the end? (as Don was referencing in the end of the episode). And this ties into one of the central themes of this final season which is what do you really want out of life. What makes you happy in the end. (Burt Cooper alluded to this in his swan song, "the best things in life are free")
McCann, at least in relation to the central characters of the show, means financial stability. Money won't be an issue for them. It's an "advertiser's dream" as it was described in this episode. But the big question is: is that the only thing that matters? Joan, for example, may lose all the respect she earned while working as a woman at SC&P and may have to endure a sexist environment at McCann. (She already got a taste of the sexism earlier in this season). Roger and Don, who have poured a lot of their lives into SC&P, will be losing their independence and the legacy of the company they have built. It's like losing a part of your identity. And even though they were making assurances to the rest of the employees at SC&P, it's quite likely that a lot of the people not under contract will be out of a job. There is a lot of uncertainty in the air.
Yet, despite all this, I like how some characters are taking the news better than expected. Ted for example, who was a mess in Part 1 of the final season, seems to be taking this with some stride and I think a big reason why is that he has finally found someone. In fact, I see that as an ongoing trend in this final season. Roger also admitted to Don that he has fallen for Marie Calvet. Joan has found herself a new beau. There were even hints of a possible reconciliation between Pete and Trudy in this episode. So despite all the difficulties and uncertainty with the new McCann developments, these characters who have found something more important outside of their work, appear to have more confidence in tackling whatever future awaits them.
The big question mark is of course with Don. He's losing his apartment and he will soon be losing the company that he built. He's also recently divorced. In fact the only thing that really seems to be important to him recently outside of work is Diane the waitress who has mysteriously vanished yet again. Outside of the millions of dollars he has, he doesn't really have anything. That is, unless he finally figures out what he really wants out of life.
Last, but certainly not the least, is Peggy who had perhaps one of my favorite scenes of the episode (if not the season). I'm really glad that they found a way to tie her current storyline back to the child she gave up all those years ago. (a part of me was wondering in the last couple seasons if they were ever going to address this issue). Peggy had a child too early and had to choose between her career or parenthood. In the end of course she chose her career and has been living with the consequences ever since. I like that in the final season, Peggy has been subconsciously haunted by this decision, from her close relationship with the young neighbor Julio all the way to this episode with the children focus group and that young girl that was left behind because her busy mother. One of the reasons why Peggy had such a successful career is that she is a single mother. But now in her 30s, she has a lot more time to reflect on that decision. Going into the final few episodes, it will be interesting to see if Peggy can find the value in her work at McCann that would justify this decision. Powerful scene with Peggy and Stan (probably one of my favorite moments between the two)
Only 3 episodes left and it really is starting to feel like the end.
Nice song choice at the end even if it was a bit on the nose: Money Burns a Hole In My Pocket by Dean Martin
I agree with the subverting expectations. I thought for a brief moment that Don was going to use his silver tongue to save the day yet again.
Also, lol at Lou's phone call. Too bad we may never get the chance to see the Scout's Honor anime
That's awesome.
Very thoughtful post as usual
(didn't want to quote the whole thing )Guys, I'm so sad.
I've just been thinking about some of the past arcs that I kind of forgotten over the past couple seasons:
Peggy and the priest
Pete and the guy from the train and his wife
Sally and her grandfather
Betty and the horse riding
Don and the weird family from LA
Don and the first secretary he was with (pre Megan)
The way the show peers into the lives of these characters is unlike anything else, and I honestly don't know what I'll do when the show is over. I truly am going to miss it, and I envy those that get to experience it for the first time.
I've started watching it back in January, so it's only been a couple months, but so much has happened that feels so long ago.
Remembering the first SC office seems like AGES ago and that was back in February for me.
I could only imagine how those who watched the show when it first came out must feel about it ending.
I've just been thinking about some of the past arcs that I kind of forgotten over the past couple seasons:
Peggy and the priest
Pete and the guy from the train and his wife
Sally and her grandfather
Betty and the horse riding
Don and the weird family from LA
Don and the first secretary he was with (pre Megan)
The way the show peers into the lives of these characters is unlike anything else, and I honestly don't know what I'll do when the show is over. I truly am going to miss it, and I envy those that get to experience it for the first time.
I've started watching it back in January, so it's only been a couple months, but so much has happened that feels so long ago.
Remembering the first SC office seems like AGES ago and that was back in February for me.
I could only imagine how those who watched the show when it first came out must feel about it ending.
What's the likelihood of a Mad Men spinoff?
Raitosaito
Member
like none.
StopMakingSense
Member
Lou Avery's chronicles in Japan.
ClivePwned
Member
Lou is a tall fucker. I can see the start of every episode.
"ouch, I hit my forehead on the door jam, again."
I had a mate who lived in Japan for two years, he's around 6ft and he whacked his head on door frames at least once a week and destroyed his knee on tables.
I would subscribe to cable to see that show.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The shit is going down.
McCann is comin'.
McCann is comin'.
movie_club
Junior Member
Episode really did a great job of showing how weak the partnership and state of company is. Bert and Lane really added a lot.
Jeez, you're harkening back to 3 months ago... Losing this show will certainly mark the end of a chapter in my life. Those arcs you listed, I haven't thought about them in years! Now I'm even more upset!
GoutPatrol
Forgotten in his cell
Also, lol at Lou's phone call. Too bad we may never get the chance to see the Scout's Honor anime
This weaselly "heh heh heh" at the end of the phone call sold it.
aronnov reborn
Banned
every episode i watch gets me depressed.. when's the happiness come? I feel like Don's life has just been spiraling down and it still hasn't hit bottom....
I dont even know what would be a happy ending for him.. maybe a farm house with Betty back somehow... other then that.. i'm just sad watching all these episodes...
I dont even know what would be a happy ending for him.. maybe a farm house with Betty back somehow... other then that.. i'm just sad watching all these episodes...
I think a lot of people think this very loudly, not quietly. Mad Men's been hilarious from the start and relies on a lot of conventions also familiar to sitcoms.
Feels like Don has reached the end of this identity, like there's really nothing left to keep him engaged. Seeing him and the team get fired up for another 'save', only for it to be pointless. And not even a bad kind of pointless. There is no disaster left to recover from. Family and SO gone, at least he had the work disasters to keep him interested. But now...
"You've won."
Also, that scene with Peggy at the end was fantastic and heartbreaking.
It's almost over.
"You've won."
Also, that scene with Peggy at the end was fantastic and heartbreaking.
It's almost over.
Moss will lose to Robin Wright and Hamm to....I don't know, Spacey?
Really smart shows are generally funny, Justified is hilarious too, although it certainly tries to be funnier than your average drama.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Next Sunday
Episode really did a great job of showing how weak the partnership and state of company is. Bert and Lane really added a lot.
There is no justice in this world.
Emmy/Oscars/whatever mean nothing, but still, a little recognition is always nice to see.
The Wire too