Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Please list games from that era with better gameplay than The Old Country. Come on dude
Yeah Turok blows it out of the water! Rock on 1997
And Mafia has never been considered a "shooter."
Mafia The Old Country: GAF Impressions Thread
Please list games from that era with better gameplay than The Old Country. Come on dude
Yeah Turok blows it out of the water! Rock on 1997
And Mafia has never been considered a "shooter."
Certinty
Member
Finished the story and it's easily my GOTY.
- Great story
- Nailed the ending whilst so many games don't
- Whole main cast of main characters was great
- Driving mechanics were superb
- World they created is one of the best i've seen in any game
- Looks great visually (at least on the PS5 Pro)
- Gunplay was so satisfying to find cover and free-aim for headshots
- Good length with the story being about 10 hours and not dragged out in the slightest
I do wish the open world post-story was more full of life and things to do as it's beautiful to explore but I know that wasn't the purpose of it.
I also couldn't care less about how 'basic' the gameplay is which many complain about. In my eyes the a majority of the game plays great and that's all I need. I'll happily admit the stealth isn't very good but is it bad enough for me to care or ruin the experience? No.
Also, there's a few chapters in this, one in particular Chapter 10 is one of the best chapters i've played on any game this generation so far. Pure absolute cinema so say the least.
Before anyone says it, i've played the likes of Expedition 33, Death Stranding 2 and Donkey Kong Bananza and I've enjoyed this more than all of those combined.
I honestly can't believe I got this for £30 at launch, it feels like I stole off Hangar 13.
- Great story
- Nailed the ending whilst so many games don't
- Whole main cast of main characters was great
- Driving mechanics were superb
- World they created is one of the best i've seen in any game
- Looks great visually (at least on the PS5 Pro)
- Gunplay was so satisfying to find cover and free-aim for headshots
- Good length with the story being about 10 hours and not dragged out in the slightest
I do wish the open world post-story was more full of life and things to do as it's beautiful to explore but I know that wasn't the purpose of it.
I also couldn't care less about how 'basic' the gameplay is which many complain about. In my eyes the a majority of the game plays great and that's all I need. I'll happily admit the stealth isn't very good but is it bad enough for me to care or ruin the experience? No.
Also, there's a few chapters in this, one in particular Chapter 10 is one of the best chapters i've played on any game this generation so far. Pure absolute cinema so say the least.
Before anyone says it, i've played the likes of Expedition 33, Death Stranding 2 and Donkey Kong Bananza and I've enjoyed this more than all of those combined.
I honestly can't believe I got this for £30 at launch, it feels like I stole off Hangar 13.
GudOlRub
Member
Interesting, can you give some examples?
Never got that from the game, on the contrary actually, the Don Torrisi introduction scene for example easily stands out of all the in-game cutscenes I've seen this year.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Damiano Bastoni was one of my favorite characters by far. That perfect slimy, piece of shit second in command. Kinda Ben Foster-ish. The entire time playing I kept on thinking of actors that would nail these roles.
I loved this scene with him in particular.
Don Galante's facial animations in particular are out of this world.
I loved this scene with him in particular.
Don Galante's facial animations in particular are out of this world.
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Humdinger
Gold Member
Yeah, I've really enjoyed the cinematics in the game. I thought the motion capture, acting, and voice work was very good. To be clear, I'm judging it by videogame standards, so I'm not expecting cinematic genius here. But as a videogame, the "movie" parts seemed quite well-done to me.
I'm also enjoying the shooting a lot. Whatever issues others might be having with it aren't registering for me. I'm having a lot of fun with that aspect. I wish there was more of it.
I'm also enjoying the shooting a lot. Whatever issues others might be having with it aren't registering for me. I'm having a lot of fun with that aspect. I wish there was more of it.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
I've always loved the shooting and gunplay in the Mafia games. It's its own thing. No other game has the same particular quality of sound or over the top hit reactions. The shotguns in particular feel and sound incredibly good. This is one of the things Mafia 3 got right, starting with the little bunny hop animation that you do after coming out of aiming. One thing I do hope for is the addition of slo mo aiming or driving, which did eventually get added to M3.
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NeverYouMind
Member
Please list games from that era with better gameplay than The Old Country. Come on dude
Yeah Turok blows it out of the water! Rock on 1997
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Agreed to disagree homie. Those games are all awesome, but no way they play or feel better to play on that hardware with those controllers than TOC does. Just no way. Not to me.
Beretta
Member
I finished it a few days ago and I'm doing free roam for collections.
I played it on hard, which actually isn't hard at all.
Thoughts:
- I found the story to be very slow. There isn't a lot of action until later on and even then the overall action in the game from start to finish is not a lot imo. There's a lot of time doing errands and running around talking to people.
- Knife combat is terrible….i hated every second it.
- Scenery is nice, graphics are good.
- Luca is the best character for me. I'll just leave it at that to not give anything away.
- I like how they have the collections listed so you know what you already have but it's dumb they don't have the foxes listed….they are the last collection I need and I don't know which ones I have, I just know I have 10/50…..
- I don't understand why in free roam they block off some places you access in the story but they do so if you need a collectable, you have to replay a chapter, and they don't have the chapters in segments, you have to play it from the start of the chapter just to get a collectable.
- No waypoint in free roam so you literally have to open your map every few seconds to make sure you're on the right path and in the right area.
I know this sounds like a lot of shit but at the same time, I really didn't mind playing through the game in general, it's your typical mafia story of beginnings so anyone who likes watching mafia movies/shows, this isn't going to be much you haven't seen before. They have upcoming patches so I hope they improve at least some of what I've listed above.
I played it on hard, which actually isn't hard at all.
Thoughts:
- I found the story to be very slow. There isn't a lot of action until later on and even then the overall action in the game from start to finish is not a lot imo. There's a lot of time doing errands and running around talking to people.
- Knife combat is terrible….i hated every second it.
- Scenery is nice, graphics are good.
- Luca is the best character for me. I'll just leave it at that to not give anything away.
- I like how they have the collections listed so you know what you already have but it's dumb they don't have the foxes listed….they are the last collection I need and I don't know which ones I have, I just know I have 10/50…..
- I don't understand why in free roam they block off some places you access in the story but they do so if you need a collectable, you have to replay a chapter, and they don't have the chapters in segments, you have to play it from the start of the chapter just to get a collectable.
- No waypoint in free roam so you literally have to open your map every few seconds to make sure you're on the right path and in the right area.
I know this sounds like a lot of shit but at the same time, I really didn't mind playing through the game in general, it's your typical mafia story of beginnings so anyone who likes watching mafia movies/shows, this isn't going to be much you haven't seen before. They have upcoming patches so I hope they improve at least some of what I've listed above.
NeverYouMind
Member
As someone that collected communist propaganda in Mafia III, I could not be assed to find the collectibles in this game. I just picked up a couple of the trinacria to boost my funds. I just do not see a point.
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The_Observer
Member
I just finished it and I loved every minute of it. I got exactly what I expected. Well, not exactly because it was much, much better than I anticipated. This was the first game in years that I pre-ordered because I knew it would be something that I would enjoy a lot and I wasn't let down. Even if this was a $70 game I would still be satisfied with my purchase because games like this where every moment is handcrafted deserve it more than those dime a dozen 100-200 hour fillerfest open world games (coupled with 5-year-old level bullshit propaganda writing). Don't tell me that this game is on the same level as SW Outlaws (both sitting on 75 on metacritic…).
Every aspect of this game was top-notch, the acting, the voiceacting, the cutscenes, the writing, animation, the sounds, the music, the story, the characters, the driving, the shooting, the visuals, the pacing, the setpieces and I could go on and on. My only problem was with the knife fighting, not because I didn't enjoy it, I liked it a lot as well. But quite many times my hits didn't register, even if they weren't blocked by the enemy. So that needed some polish IMO but whatever.
Some say the story was full of cliché but I don't agree. It's difficult to show something new in a story like this but I think they nailed it. If this was a movie it would be among my favorite gangster movies as well.
What else can I say, it's definitely my GOTY, nothing will top it (for a long time), and also easily among my top 3 games of this gen. It's funny that when many of us are complaining about the state of modern gaming we are told that we are just getting old and can't enjoy this hobby anymore. Well, this game is the proof that this is not true because I had the same feeling with this game as I used to have with every big new release but is missing nowadays. No, the industry has indeed gone to shit in many ways, but thankfully we have Hangar 13 to show us how it's done.
TLDR: just buy it, these devs deserve it and I need my new Mafia game from them eventually because this was awesome
Every aspect of this game was top-notch, the acting, the voiceacting, the cutscenes, the writing, animation, the sounds, the music, the story, the characters, the driving, the shooting, the visuals, the pacing, the setpieces and I could go on and on. My only problem was with the knife fighting, not because I didn't enjoy it, I liked it a lot as well. But quite many times my hits didn't register, even if they weren't blocked by the enemy. So that needed some polish IMO but whatever.
Some say the story was full of cliché but I don't agree. It's difficult to show something new in a story like this but I think they nailed it. If this was a movie it would be among my favorite gangster movies as well.
What else can I say, it's definitely my GOTY, nothing will top it (for a long time), and also easily among my top 3 games of this gen. It's funny that when many of us are complaining about the state of modern gaming we are told that we are just getting old and can't enjoy this hobby anymore. Well, this game is the proof that this is not true because I had the same feeling with this game as I used to have with every big new release but is missing nowadays. No, the industry has indeed gone to shit in many ways, but thankfully we have Hangar 13 to show us how it's done.
TLDR: just buy it, these devs deserve it and I need my new Mafia game from them eventually because this was awesome
Braag
Member
Having recently played Mafia 2, I disagree with you. Especially when it comes to gunplay. They are on pretty equal footing on that front, but the knife fights are a lot better executed than fist fights in Mafia 2. Albeit both are quite basic.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Glad you enjoyed it so much, man. That's great.
About the knife-fighting ... I'm having trouble with that. I manage to live through most of my fights, but they occur so infrequently, I don't get much practice. I still don't have the button presses and parry/dodge timing down. I'm always messing up. I am coming off Stellar Blade, which isn't helping, either. In that game, square was attack, but here it is parry. So I'm constantly parrying over and over when I'm trying to attack. I look like an epileptic having a seizure, lol. I'm sure I'll figure it out by the time the game is over, heh. Whether there are developer tuning issues involved that make things worse, I couldn't say.
I haven't finished yet, but I echo a lot of what you're saying above. It's much better than I had expected from the review score. It's my kind of game, one they don't make much anymore. Glad it exists and I hope it sells reasonably well.
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jzbadblood
Member
Can you shoot people and run from the cops in free roam?
I am the exact same . Days later ...
NeverYouMind
Member
I like that fist fights in Mafia II have momentum and proper spacing. I feel like I am jabbing air and fishing for counters far longer than is engaging in Old Country. The shooting in Mafia 2 has better precision and I can hit a close target instead of praying that my knife's durability is not used up or running for cover like a jackass in Old Country.
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
I'm still in chapter 7, put it aside to play the Hell Is Us demo again. Now I'm running through the demo for a 3rd time, but on hard difficulty this time. Not sure which difficulty I want to do yet.
But I'm loving playing Mafia and I may stretch it out until Hell Is Us comes out! I don't want a gap game.
But I'm loving playing Mafia and I may stretch it out until Hell Is Us comes out! I don't want a gap game.
Beretta
Member
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
I know Ill get burned at the stake with the comparison, but I got real Tsushima vibes with the one on one knife fights, between the backwards dodge animation all the way to the same glinted X effect when an unblockable attack was coming. It just felt the same to me for whatever reason. I loved the knife fights personally (though I think there might've been just one too many). Oh and I thought the Tino fight was weak, mostly because it was straight up Ellie vs David in Last of Us 1
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Alright. Gamefly was a bit slow on delivering this but finally got my copy today.
Will pop it in the PM after work and put in some time today hopefully!
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Stafford
Quality seems to target 30fpz on SX (not 40 sadly) but there is an option to disable V-Sync. Gonna play around with it and see if it remains within the VRR window to be viable or not, LFC might help.
Will pop it in the PM after work and put in some time today hopefully!
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Stafford
Quality seems to target 30fpz on SX (not 40 sadly) but there is an option to disable V-Sync. Gonna play around with it and see if it remains within the VRR window to be viable or not, LFC might help.
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Chuck Berry
Gold Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
I'm playing it, aren't I ?
I'm just glad I finished it before you did. I'm proud of myself
Uh what ps5 basic should fix exactly?ps5 pro is 40 fps lock if you put vsync on in quality mode. It's the only way to limit the UE5 fps stutters from my personal experience.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
I've been having fun with this in a "turn your brain off" type of way, but this is one of the most "7/10" games I've ever played.
I have no idea what some of ya'll are talking about praising the story. It's as generic and trope-filled C-tier Mafia soap opera as it gets.
I have no idea what some of ya'll are talking about praising the story. It's as generic and trope-filled C-tier Mafia soap opera as it gets.
It's not about the originality but more of dialogues and characters. Very few games are so involving. It's more the execution than the real content. My only complain it's the shortness. The ideal was 12-14 hours of main story. Now if you buy it expecting a great original subject well you can be really disappointed.
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Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Pretty much perfect pacing. It's like watching an incredible TV show on HBO or something, with the cuts and time leaps. Each chapter an episode. The acting. The writing. The game is better than 90% of shit on TV at the moment.
And you're in it, playing it. Living it. Losing yourself in it and the characters. It's something else.
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The_Observer
Member
I couldn't help but start immediately replaying the Mafia remake after finishing the Old Country. That intro (remake) still gives me the feels… I still remember first installing the original Mafia on my pc and looking at the installer pics. The rest is history. Man, I love this franchise, each and every game. Might have to replay Mafia 2 as well later.
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Well personally I preferred a more longer experience but I guess budget wasn't there.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
How can you not be satisfied with the length when it only cost fifty bucks?
The story seems rushed and too many questions left open.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
NeverYouMind
Member
Honestly, I think shorter might have been better. Especially if they made gameplay exhilarating instead of serviceable. The fidelity of graphics/performance, character animations, and voice acting is impressive for that asking price though. Maybe mods will improve the rest...
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
"Only" fifty bucks
I know right? It's really come to this.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
I really don't agree with anything you're saying. To me this feels like a bad Showtime show that would be cancelled midway through the first season. And the performance are largely... not good.
Don Torrisi in particular sounds like he's trying to do a very amateur Marlon Brando impression. "I am the Don so I must-a talk-a like-a dis"
It's just so trite. Aggressively generic.
Again, I'm having fun with it and I'm a fan of the Mafia franchise, but this was a significant step back as far as I'm concerned.
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Humdinger
Gold Member
No. Free roam is limited to just driving around and collecting stuff.
None announced yet. They said they were "listening to fans" about what sort of DLC they might like. Sounds like they haven't even started work on DLC yet. Probably just focused on getting the game out the door and patched up.
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I don't know what to tell you. For me the whole execution is remarkable and a rarity for a videogame. Every dialogue are so realistic and human even in the npc. Not flawless sure. But I'd like to see Ubisoft or more AAA reach the same standard.
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The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Looks like it'll drop to Mixed on Steam. On one hand I understand, the gameplay is pretty much Uncharted 3 levels, which isnt bad per say if we were in 2015. The performance on PC is...abysmal to say the least, no stutters, but the visuals and the animations are really not worth the cost, but yeah thats UE5 for ya, an absolute dogshit of an engine and I have 0 hopes now that Witcher 4 and Cyberpunk Orion will run anywhere decent. That being said, the story, characters and voice acting is top notch. Hard to say what I'll rate it considering 2 big minuses and 3 big pluses. I'd say a 7.5 is fair so far where I'm at which is probably almost at the end.
demigod
Member
I'm not seeing this stuttering. I turned off v-sync and saw screen tearing right away so i turned it back on. Did you turn yours off?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Man, this fucking mining prologue is way longer than it ought to be, lol.
I'm playing with V-Sync off in Quality mode, this is one of the areas where Xbox's larger VRR window is definitely helping. Notice some tearing but that's probably whenever it goes below the 40fps VRR range.
The game is almost always above that, based on no-tearing. Not sure why the fuck they didn't just do a 40hz mode on PS5/Series X, no reason that has to be only possible on Pro.
I'm playing with V-Sync off in Quality mode, this is one of the areas where Xbox's larger VRR window is definitely helping. Notice some tearing but that's probably whenever it goes below the 40fps VRR range.
The game is almost always above that, based on no-tearing. Not sure why the fuck they didn't just do a 40hz mode on PS5/Series X, no reason that has to be only possible on Pro.
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Humdinger
Gold Member
Finished chapter 11, on to 12. Still enjoying it. There are 14 chapters total, so I'm slowing down. I know I'm coming to the end and don't want to rush it.
People have different opinions on the story. Here's my take. To me, this whole game takes a very "back-to-basics" approach - and that includes the story. It is very much a traditional, old school mob story. There isn't anything new or innovative here. You will not have your expectations upended. You will not find Don Torriso undergoing psychoanalysis for panic attacks. This is a back-to-basics game in every way, including storytelling. If you expect more, you will be disappointed.
People have different opinions on the story. Here's my take. To me, this whole game takes a very "back-to-basics" approach - and that includes the story. It is very much a traditional, old school mob story. There isn't anything new or innovative here. You will not have your expectations upended. You will not find Don Torriso undergoing psychoanalysis for panic attacks. This is a back-to-basics game in every way, including storytelling. If you expect more, you will be disappointed.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Some Series X pics.
Decent looking game.
Decent looking game.
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NeverYouMind
Member
That looks a bit rough compared to PC version. It looks crisp on PC.Some Series X pics.
Decent looking game.
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Danny22
Member
Which Mafia would you say is your favorite now?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Wouldn't be surprised, it's not exactly the biggest budget-ed console game and going by some of the pixel counting channels, this is running roughly 900p in Quality mode then using TSR to up-scale.
The_Observer
Member
The Old Country, definitely. Now that I'm replaying the Mafia remake it's clear. The more serious tone of The Old Country is closer to me. Like a poster said, the previous games are more like Scorsese movies, while The Old Country is closer to The Godfather (and to the original 2002 Mafia IMO). And there is also quite a big jump in visuals which helps selling the more serious tone. Don Torrisi scenes are something else. But all cutscenes were awesome and I liked all the characters in their own way.