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[Ashodin]

Gideon would have been about to rotate. He rotates in more than 7 months.

GIdeon doesn't rotate until whatever the hell the Fall Block is.

you forget that WotC thinks in WotC Time™ which is to say Future Future League Time™.

What you perceive as "Gideon being too long in standard" to them is "Oh he's about to rotate, right?"

Hence the reasoning.

Also the fact of "There's gotta be a Gideon in Standard, else the Gatewatch isn't complete!" Reasoning.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

GIdeon doesn't rotate until whatever the hell the Fall Block is.

We know it's Atlazan.

 

[GoutPatrol]

Can someone explain to me why they would ban Winding Constrictor? It's good, but it doesn't seem like a busted card.

Hopefully if -1/-1 counters are in the next set this won't be a problem. Because having a snake out would just lead to blowouts in both directions.

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

Of course it's in blue... not like transforming landscapes fits all colours. No blue gets it because

he has a boner for blue

It baffles me that Rosewater will willingly admit that he's not good at balancing things, then insist on doing the color pie one way or the other. It's a balance equation! He's not good at those!

 

[Ashodin]

We know it's Atlazan.

Atlazan will be the intermission after the devastating defeat in Hour of Devastation. (tee hee)

Ajani will go to the plane after trying to planeswalk somewhere else from Ravnica (just like Vraska) and be pulled into the plane (which has a vortex manipulator dragging Planeswalkers to it). This will lead Ajani to an investigation on what is going on with the plane and recruit Merfolk planeswalker guy (on the art).

Then the Gatewatch recuperates and heads to Dominaria to wait for Ajani and his buds to show up (and also to tell them that they fucked up bigtime).

Bolas follows the Gatewatch to Dominaria and we got next year's 25th anniversary baby!

Bolas goes "You think you know Dominaria...? How about its greatest weapons and worst enemies turned against you?" Cue Legendary Creature Masterpieces

 

[HK-47]

I'm okay with red fucking around with lands. I'm not okay with giving blue more shit.

 

[MoxManiac]

Atlazan will be the intermission after the devastating defeat in Hour of Devastation. (tee hee)

Ajani will go to the plane after trying to planeswalk somewhere else from Ravnica (just like Vraska) and be pulled into the plane (which has a vortex manipulator dragging Planeswalkers to it). This will lead Ajani to an investigation on what is going on with the plane and recruit Merfolk planeswalker guy (on the art).

Then the Gatewatch recuperates and heads to Dominaria to wait for Ajani and his buds to show up (and also to tell them that they fucked up bigtime).

Bolas follows the Gatewatch to Dominaria and we got next year's 25th anniversary baby!

Bolas goes "You think you know Dominaria...? How about its greatest weapons and worst enemies turned against you?" Cue Legendary Creature Masterpieces

As an EDH player...man, legendary creature masterpieces would be amazing.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

It baffles me that Rosewater will willingly admit that he's not good at balancing things, then insist on doing the color pie one way or the other. It's a balance equation! He's not good at those!

Yup, part of the reason I hope he stays away from commander products.

I'm okay with red fucking around with lands. I'm not okay with giving blue more shit.

My biggest beef with blue is having hard removal. It's ridiculous blue gets pongify effects ever so often.

 

[Angry Grimace]

We know it's Atlazan.

We don't really.

 

[Ashodin]

They should make Atlazan like Torment, everything tilted towards Blue

It would drive people INSANE

Spoiler

This post is charlequin bait

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

They should make Atlazan like Torment, everything tilted towards Blue

It would drive people INSANE

Spoiler

This post is charlequin bait

I need creature spell pierce. Essence pierce, if you will.

 

[HK-47]

They should make Atlazan like Torment, everything tilted towards Blue

It would drive people INSANE

Spoiler

This post is charlequin bait

Only if they put all the spells on creatures.

 

[Big Icarus]

They should make Atlazan like Torment, everything tilted towards Blue

It would drive people INSANE

Spoiler

This post is charlequin bait

Might be what it actually turns out to be. Theres merfolk on the pack art. Zendikar is the "skews green" plane, Innistrad is black, I think Kaladesh was supposed to be thematically red skewed, Amonket could be focussed on white (Gideon gets a new card) and Atlazan could be the blue plane.

 

[HK-47]

Might be what it actually turns out to be. Theres merfolk on the pack art. Zendikar is the "skews green" plane, Innistrad is black, I think Kaladesh was supposed to be thematically red skewed, Amonket could be focussed on white (Gideon gets a new card) and Atlazan could be the blue plane.

lol

I also dont see why Amonket would be white. Its both an Egyptian plane and a Bolas plane. That screams lots of black and grixis.

 

[twobear]

The flavour of Blood Moon for me isn't 'transformation' anyway. It's not like all the nonbasic lands transform into Mountains. It's just obviously something about the effect that the Blood Moon has on the, um, atmosphere? And it also has the flavour of turning complexity and nuance into simplicity and a more primal state.

It sure as fuck isn't a Blue effect in any case.

 

[HK-47]

If Chaos Warp was a blue card it would be MaRo's favorite card.

 

[alternade]

If Chaos Warp was a blue card it would be MaRo's favorite card.

I mean isn't it basically a polymorph for permanents? That fits into blues wheelhouse

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I mean isn't it basically a polymorph for permanents? That fits into blues wheelhouse

We don't really.

Amonkhet packaging is identical to the leak so unless they shuffled sets around we pretty much know.

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

I mean isn't it basically a polymorph for permanents? That fits into blues wheelhouse

Nah, polymorph is controllable. Chaos warp is random. Maro doesn't like it because it can hit enchantments and red 'isn't supposed to do that'.

 

[Joe Molotov]

Glad I picked up a playset of Ancient Stirrings last week for $3/ea, it got bought out on TCG after it didn't get reprinted and all the ones left are ~$12.

 

[An-Det]

Has anyone tried the kmc premium hyper matte sleeves compared to the non-premium? I've finally run out from my bulk order a few years back so I'm looking at what's out now. Or if anything else is comparable these days.

 

[OnPoint]

Merchant Scroll is up to damn near $30 now... what gives? Storm?

 

[HK-47]

Merchant Scroll is up to damn near $30 now... what gives? Storm?

Also only has two printings.

 

[SigmasonicX]

Nah, polymorph is controllable. Chaos warp is random. Maro doesn't like it because it can hit enchantments and red 'isn't supposed to do that'.

Another problem is that it can easily whiff, making it just "exile target permanent" a lot of the time. I could see MaRo accepting it as a multicolor card, but not monoblue.

 

[Santiako]

Glad I picked up a playset of Ancient Stirrings last week for $3/ea, it got bought out on TCG after it didn't get reprinted and all the ones left are ~$12.

Merchant Scroll is up to damn near $30 now... what gives? Storm?

Yikes. I guess this is a side effect of MM, since cards that don't get reprinted most likely don't get a chance until next MM in 2 years.

 

[phazedplasma]

ok dudes, when do I buy cavern of souls or fetches.

I dont care if its the new MM17 version or the old ones.

Post release = cheapest?

 

[red13th]

I read somewhere to wait a month or two so that's what I'm doing.

 

[Jhriad]

Merchant Scroll is up to damn near $30 now... what gives? Storm?

Finally a card with value in Homelands! Our 22 year spec on booster boxes is going to pay off!

 

[OnPoint]

Finally a card with value in Homelands! Our 22 year spec on booster boxes is going to pay off!

Ha!

Does that leave Fallen Empires as the set with the lowest EV now?

 

[Santiako]

Ha!

Does that leave Fallen Empires as the set with the lowest EV now?

Falle empires boxes have an EV of about $3 last I checked (not joking). The kicker is - they contain 60 boosters.

 

[Jhriad]

ok dudes, when do I buy cavern of souls or fetches.

I dont care if its the new MM17 version or the old ones.

Post release = cheapest?

I read somewhere to wait a month or two so that's what I'm doing.

On average, what red13th said is correct. If you're willing to micromanage your purchases you might be able to save some extra money by hawkishly watching TCG and eBay for super low ball sellers. Some folks will try to flip cards asap and you can find good deals around release for this reason. That said, they move VERY fast and if the print run is actually large enough the savings might not be enough to offset the effort expended. If you're not interested in shaving a couple percent from your final costs the best advice is wait a month or two after release while constantly watching supply and price curves at places like MTGStocks, MTGGoldfish, or MTGPrice. A good indicator is the buylist trend line at MTGPrice. If supply (number of sellers/copies on TCG) starts to actually drop or the buylist trend line starts to approach the current price line it's a good indication that prices have hit their floor. Trend lines won't give you much lead time with regards to changes in the meta or set reveals but you'll probably have an idea on that information anyway.

With a set this deep it's really hard to gauge since we know that the prices themselves were a fairly large factor inhibiting price growth. How much pent up demand for these staples is there actually? Check the current best buylist prices (at MTGPrice or elsewhere) to see what vendors are setting the absolute floor at currently and know that the floor is unlikely to fall below the best buylist offers and will probably stabilize a bit above. One thing to note when looking at the buylist trend line on a site like MTGPrice, make sure to check the 'highest buylist' offers as vendors may have stopped buying at that price or have filled their quota already.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Amonkhet packaging is identical to the leak so unless they shuffled sets around we pretty much know.

It doesn't mean its "next."

 

[OnPoint]

Falle empires boxes have an EV of about $3 last I checked (not joking). The kicker is - they contain 60 boosters.

I was gonna be surprised that you mean EV of $3 per BOX, but then I thought about the cards themselves and said "Yeah, checks out."

Fallen Empires has Hymn to Tourach and High Tide. That's it in terms of tournament cards. Rainbow Vale and some of the other lands, and maybe some of the random elf or goblin cards see EDH play? What a disaster.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

It doesn't mean its "next."

Sure it just mean it's very likely means it's next.

 

[OnPoint]

Sure it just mean it's very likely means it's next.

We honestly have no idea. It's a possible clue, sure, but let's not leap to conclusions. We know they change things around sometimes.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

We have more than an idea, the leak was genuine. Stuff gets shuffled around sure but right now there's no reason to think it's going to be anything but Atlazan.

 

[kirblar]

We have more than an idea, the leak was genuine. Stuff gets shuffled around sure but right now there's no reason to think it's going to be anything but Atlazan.

Yeah, there was some sort of statement re: surveys for industry folk and NDAs that indicated it was 100% legit.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Yeah, there was some sort of statement re: surveys for industry folk and NDAs that indicated it was 100% legit.

Not to mention that the packaging of Amonkhet was among the leaks and is identical to the survey.

 

[Joe Molotov]

Ha!

Does that leave Fallen Empires as the set with the lowest EV now?

Just wait for Fungus tribal to pop. You're gonna wanna to stack up all those Spore counters.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

These are new right?

Why do we get another new art for 1/1 soldiers but still don't have any good tokens for 5/5 dragons and 4/4 angels.

3/3 angels got an amazing token but there's literally only 1 card making them.

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

I miss the days when people would just dig up new trademarks to find out the next set.

 

[Jhriad]

These are new right?

Damn. That's some sick art for a token.

 

[red13th]

Yesssss more Magali Villeneuve tokens! So cool looking.
The Angel is beautiful but I prefer the Magali Villeneuve one (I use them for Geist of St Traft).
I love that there's a good Dragon token too (for Sarkhan Vol), I know it's not new but the only 4/4 Dragon token with the new templating is a fat Atarka dragon and I hated it. And I prefer the frame of the new tokens.

 

[aidan]

These are new right?

Why do we get another new art for 1/1 soldiers but still don't have any good tokens for 5/5 dragons and 4/4 angels.

3/3 angels got an amazing token but there's literally only 1 card making them.

I was recently shopping around for an Angel token for my Bant CoCo Geist deck, and was severely disappointed by the options.

On the topic of MM2017, we're getting a new Voice of Resurgence token, right?

 

[SigmasonicX]

I miss the days when people would just dig up new trademarks to find out the next set.

Speaking of which, Announcement Day set for March 31, and there will be a live video. I feel that really does work out better then just dumping everything into a web page, like with Kaladesh's Announcement Day.

EDIT:

I was recently shopping around for an Angel token for my Bant CoCo Geist deck, and was severely disappointed by the options.

On the topic of MM2017, we're getting a new Voice of Resurgence token, right?

Nope

 

[aidan]

Speaking of which, Announcement Day set for March 31, and there will be a live video. I feel that really does work out better then just dumping everything into a web page, like with Kaladesh's Announcement Day.

EDIT:

Nope

Ahh. Damn. I was hoping they'd use this as an opportunity to correct the last minute VoR/Emmara change, and print one that matched the art on the card.

 

[Santiako]

Why do they keep using these two? D:

 

[red13th]

Why do they keep using these two? D:

no idea. I'd love a Jesper Ejsing goblin token.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Because they knew they couldn't justify the best Goblin token:

 

[Hero]

Because they knew they couldn't justify the best Goblin token:

I have never seen this Goblin token by that one is pretty awesome.

I wish we could get more useful double-sided tokens.