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[Wulfric]

Magali Villeneuve tokens? Yipee!

Pulled the trigger on MM2017 for $215 on Coolstuff. That seems to be the floor for most of the internet including TCGPlayer. There really must be a huge stock of this set if it's still selling for below retail. It's like the total opposite of the Eternal Masters preorders.

 

[Joe Molotov]

I love the DTK Baby Yeti goblin token.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Magali Villeneuve tokens? Yipee!

Pulled the trigger on MM2017 for $215 on Coolstuff. That seems to be the floor for most of the internet including TCGPlayer. There really must be a huge stock of this set if it's still selling for below retail. It's like the total opposite of the Eternal Masters preorders.

I did an order at my LGS for $215, and then the owner called me to let me know he was going down to $200 due to the fact that value of the cards went down.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Damn. That's some sick art for a token.

I do wonder if that woman is a live model, she's on a bunch of card in Kaladesh.

I was recently shopping around for an Angel token for my Bant CoCo Geist deck, and was severely disappointed by the options.

I've considered importing Hareruya Angel tokens but that's not cheap.

5/5 Dragons are even worse than angels

 

[Joe Molotov]

I use the Player's Rewards Angel token, it's subdued.

 

[Wulfric]

I did an order at my LGS for $215, and then the owner called me to let me know he was going down to $200 due to the fact that value of the cards went down.

Lol nice, my LGS is selling at $300. Don't ask me why, the owner is a great guy but he's really stingy. They don't even touch the singles market.

It'll be interesting to watch the cards stabilize over the summer. Maybe $50 LotV and $10 Goblin Guides are in the near future?

 

[Angry Grimace]

Lol nice, my LGS is selling at $300. Don't ask me why, the owner is a great guy but he's really stingy. They don't even touch the singles market.

It'll be interesting to watch the cards stabilize over the summer. Maybe $50 LotV and $10 Goblin Guides are in the near future?

If LOTV dips to below $60 I'd buy the last one I need. It's not going to go low and then stay low.

 

[red13th]

I love Magali Villeneuve's Angel token.

so I guess I'm keeping mine. I'm definitely replacing my Soldiers and my Dragons though.

 

[kirblar]

If LOTV dips to below $60 I'd buy the last one I need. It's not going to go low and then stay low.

Yup, buy up cards the weekend/early weekdays when the set releases. It's when prices will be at their lowest, since supply will be at its highest.

 

[MoxManiac]

Dumb. I literally saw merchant scroll at a couple bucks a few days ago.

 

[Santiako]

Magali Villeneuve's art is just top notch all around. The best of the newer artists for sure.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Dumb. I literally saw merchant scroll at a couple bucks a few days ago.

I mean, its a common in Homelands which has 0 other cards of value.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Merchant's Scroll are still cents on MKM. Even english can be had for cheap.


Really LSV every deck gets a paragraph a decklist, tips and merfolk gets this?

Despite making the finals of GP Vancouver, I think Merfolk is a fishy choice right now. It's very weak to Death's Shadow and Affinity, both of which I expect to be heavily played. It's a great deck against control and combo, but those don't appear to be where the metagame is at.

Death's Shadow Zoo actually appears to be a good matchup for merfolk. Affinity is only a bad matchup if you decide not to bring Hurkyl's, Nikachu even beat Affinity w/o Hurkyl's.

 

[Ashodin]

Villeneuve is a god

 

[MoxManiac]

IIRC the only reason Merchant Scroll was in 8th edition is because they did that "at least one card from every previous set" gimmick.

 

[ironmang]

I know I have a few Merchant Scrolls somewhere but I know I'll search for an hour, maybe find them, then they'll sit in my binder for 2 years until they get reprinted and drop back to a dollar.

Fulminator Mage is back up to $40 too. Was thinking of picking up a few then woke up and they were new price.

 

[traveler]

Merchant's Scroll are still cents on MKM. Even english can be had for cheap.


Really LSV every deck gets a paragraph a decklist, tips and merfolk gets this?

Death's Shadow Zoo actually appears to be a good matchup for merfolk. Affinity is only a bad matchup if you decide not to bring Hurkyl's, Nikachu even beat Affinity w/o Hurkyl's.

I thought Affinity was, by common consensus, a straight up terrible matchup for Merfolk? Hurkyl's gives you a shot at it, but doesn't even swing it to favored.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I thought Affinity was, by common consensus, a straight up terrible matchup for Merfolk? Hurkyl's gives you a shot at it, but doesn't even swing it to favored.

It's horrible game 1 but if you draw your hurkyl's you just win.

 

[ironmang]

I thought Affinity was, by common consensus, a straight up terrible matchup for Merfolk? Hurkyl's gives you a shot at it, but doesn't even swing it to favored.

Ya I've beaten Merfolk despite getting Recall'd even multiple times in a game. They pretty much need to hope you have a hand built for resiliency and/or forget about cards like harbinger and get blown out.

 

[Yeef]

It looks like Wizards might be trying to turn announcement day into more of an event: http://wpn.wizards.com/en/article/tune-product-announcements

 

[traveler]

Oh, that's at Meeples? I might actually go to that. What should I pester Rosewater about?

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Oh, that's at Meeples? I might actually go to that. What should I pester Rosewater about?

Ask him when we'll finally get a modern bordered Lord of Atlantis preferably with the 7th edition art please.

 

[Ashodin]

Announcement Day might herald Magic's 25th anniversary set.

 

[Santiako]

Oh, that's at Meeples? I might actually go to that. What should I pester Rosewater about?

Ask him to sign a Chaos Warp.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Announcement Day might herald Magic's 25th anniversary set.

They only announce up through Fall and Winter - should cover some Duel Decks, Commander 2017 and the Fall block. I don't think the 25th Ann. is until what, Fall of 2018 - the first set came out in August of 1993.

 

[traveler]

Chapin put up an interesting article today examing "what if" scenarios around potential additions to modern. Rather than looking at the ban list, he went through some cards only available to the eternal formats.

There's been a lot of discussion over time about unbanning Jace to help blue, (which I'm personally not a fan of) but I think some of the ideas he touched on in his article are much better. Specifically, I think adding daze and/or prohibit to the format could help blue deal with the super fast combo decks without really making it insane elsewhere. I could maybe see prohibit getting a standard reprint some day, as you pretty much need to kick it to hit half the card pool, but daze I don't know. The land drop is a more significant cost in standard and the 1 mana tax easier to play around, so there is that, but I still find it hard to believe WotC would reprint it in a new set.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Chapin put up an interesting article today examing "what if" scenarios around potential additions to modern. Rather than looking at the ban list, he went through some cards only available to the eternal formats.

There's been a lot of discussion over time about unbanning Jace to help blue, (which I'm personally not a fan of) but I think some of the ideas he touched on in his article are much better. Specifically, I think adding daze and/or prohibit to the format could help blue deal with the super fast combo decks without really making it insane elsewhere. I could maybe see prohibit getting a standard reprint some day, as you pretty much need to kick it to hit half the card pool, but daze I don't know. The land drop is a more significant cost in standard and the 1 mana tax easier to play around, so there is that, but I still find it hard to believe WotC would reprint it in a new set.

...Premium

 

[traveler]

I don't want to steal his whole article, as it is a pay for service, but I will note some of the points he makes in favor of those two specific cards.

Reaze

-It slows super-fast games down.
-It's disproportionately strong against combo and control while not exactly breaking any records against aggro or midrange decks, particularly ones with Thoughtseize, Inquisition of Kozilek, or Abrupt Decay.
-It offers interesting gameplay against Choke, Molten Rain, Crumble to Dust, and Simian Spirit Guide.

Rerohibit

Nowadays, Prohibit might actually be a printable rate, but one that is reasonably well-suited to the low costs of the Modern format. I definitely like the incentive it puts on people to play more expensive cards, as well as the variable gameplay that goes along with it.

He also talks about a variety of goblins, counterspell itself, abolish, fof, and some commander prints.

 

[Santiako]

Prohibit would be a great reprint in the next set with kicker. It's not too strong and it's better in Modern than in standard.

 

[kirblar]

Ya, Prohibit is fine. It's a bad spell snare that turns into a really awkward larger counterspell.

 

[Ashodin]

They only announce up through Fall and Winter - should cover some Duel Decks, Commander 2017 and the Fall block. I don't think the 25th Ann. is until what, Fall of 2018 - the first set came out in August of 1993.

"Announcement Day is coming! On March 31, we'll be live-streaming Announcement Day from Friday Night Magic at Meeples Games in Seattle, Washington, starting at 6:45 p.m. PT (that's 9:45 ET). We'll be announcing new sets for the rest of 2017 and into 2018, all on twitch.tv/magic."

gonna announce something.

 

[Santiako]

"Announcement Day is coming! On March 31, we'll be live-streaming Announcement Day from Friday Night Magic at Meeples Games in Seattle, Washington, starting at 6:45 p.m. PT (that's 9:45 ET). We'll be announcing new sets for the rest of 2017 and into 2018, all on twitch.tv/magic."

gonna announce something.

Yeah, probably the Conquest of Power (January 2018).

 

[traveler]

Yeah, they've said they'll be doing two announcement days a year. The fall one will likely cover the two mid year sets for 2018 plus eternal masters 2. Storywise, Dominaria makes the most sense, but timing wise, it'd be more logical to be Fall 2018.

 

[Infinite Stars]

Ya, Prohibit is fine. It's a bad spell snare that turns into a really awkward larger counterspell.

Hell I'm 90% certain this would be fine for Standard:

Jace's Denial UU
Instant

Kicker 1(when you cast this spell, you may pay 1.)

Counter target spell with CMC <=3. If ~ was kicked, instead counter target spell.

It's a strictly worse Counterspell that still hits about 90% of Modern when not kicked, while being worse then the standard 1UU Counter (Disallow hits anything, Dissolve Scries, etc)

 

[red13th]

Eternal Masters 2. *salivating*
Nothing I want more.

EDIT: Well outside of dual land reprints in new frame I suppose.

 

[Angry Grimace]

"Announcement Day is coming! On March 31, we'll be live-streaming Announcement Day from Friday Night Magic at Meeples Games in Seattle, Washington, starting at 6:45 p.m. PT (that's 9:45 ET). We'll be announcing new sets for the rest of 2017 and into 2018, all on twitch.tv/magic."

gonna announce something.

The Fall block's second set doesn't come out until 2018.

 

[red13th]

MM3 box on WIlly Edel's store for R$850 (around 260 USD), the only other store I saw was charging R$1000. Nice! I think I'll preorder.

 

[traveler]

Hell I'm 90% certain this would be fine for Standard:

Jace's Denial UU
Instant

Kicker 1(when you cast this spell, you may pay 1.)

Counter target spell with CMC <=3. If ~ was kicked, instead counter target spell.

It's a strictly worse Counterspell that still hits about 90% of Modern when not kicked, while being worse then the standard 1UU Counter (Disallow hits anything, Dissolve Scries, etc)

That seems a bit too good. Chapin discusses counterspell itself in the article and argues that modern has pretty great counterspell diversity (remand, mana leak, dispel, countersquall, cryptic, negate, counterflux, logic knot, spell pierce, etc.) because there isn't a great catch all. Prohibit would be another tool in the toolbox specifically great at handling early game threats without jeopardizing late game, but I feel like this would just become the defactor best counterspell were it printed.

Edit: for modern, I mean. In standard, I'm not sure. Itd definitely be on the pushed side of things.

 

[Infinite Stars]

That seems a bit too good. Chapin discusses counterspell itself in the article and argues that modern has pretty great counterspell diversity (remand, mana leak, dispel, countersquall, cryptic, negate, counterflux, logic knot, spell pierce, etc.) because there isn't a great catch all. Prohibit would be another tool in the toolbox specifically great at handling early game threats without jeopardizing late game, but I feel like this would just become the defactor best counterspell were it printed.

Edit: for modern, I mean. In standard, I'm not sure. Itd definitely be on the pushed side of things.

Eh, I'm not quite sure it would be as strong as you think. There's only 4 Copies that could be run in the deck, requires Double Blue to cast, is about on par with Mana Leak in the early game in regards to efficiency, and can scale upwards in the late game. It's never going to replace Cryptic(because half of the value of Cryptic is that there's 3 other valuable modes beyond the Counter option), it wouldn't straight replace Negate/Leak/Remand, etc.

We've seen Wizards be fine with either Conditional UU Mana hard counters(Silumgar's Scorn with Dragon, Surged Blue Counter from Oath, etc) and they put "Generic Hard Counter" at 1UU(Dissolve, Disallow, etc). We've gotten Conditional soft counters at 1U(Disdainful Stroke, Horribly Awry). I don't see a crappy version of Counterspell that can be a crappy version of 3 Mana counters being a format warping card.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

When you have Kynaios and Tiro out Consecrated Sphinx triggers 3 times lol

 

[Infinite Stars]

When you have Kynaios and Tiro out Consecrated Sphinx triggers 3 times lol

Needs Nissa Vital Force Ultimate to be truly disgusting. Nothing beats turning your optional land drop into Card Draw.

 

[Ashodin]

We got our MM3 boxes at $200~.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Needs Nissa Vital Force Ultimate to be truly disgusting. Nothing beats turning your optional land drop into Card Draw.

I feel like Vital Force is the biggest example of unnecessary Gatewatch insertion into sets. There's no actual reason for her to be in the set over basically any random planeswalker.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Needs Nissa Vital Force Ultimate to be truly disgusting. Nothing beats turning your optional land drop into Card Draw.

The nature of commander makes Nissa a regrowth essentially. She ain't living for a turn.

I feel like Vital Force is the biggest example of unnecessary Gatewatch insertion into sets. There's no actual reason for her to be in the set over basically any random planeswalker.

nope that's the defiances in Eldritch Moon. Whole set was like, I guess the gatewatch is here for some reason now.

 

[HK-47]

The nature of commander makes Nissa a regrowth essentially. She ain't living for a turn.

nope that's the defiances in Eldritch Moon. Whole set was like, I guess the gatewatch is here for some reason now.

Nope Grimace is right. At least there was an Eldrazi to deal with in Eldritch Moon.

 

[Santiako]

The nature of commander makes Nissa a regrowth essentially. She ain't living for a turn.

nope that's the defiances in Eldritch Moon. Whole set was like, I guess the gatewatch is here for some reason now.

Well, they formed the Gatewatch to deal with the Eldrazi so it made sense there. Nissa in Kaladesh was just kinda there, didn't matter in the story at all.

 

[OnPoint]

nope that's the defiances in Eldritch Moon. Whole set was like, I guess the gatewatch is here for some reason now.

I think he meant the card, not in the lore.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Well, they formed the Gatewatch to deal with the Eldrazi so it made sense there. Nissa in Kaladesh was just kinda there, didn't matter in the story at all.

Nissa mattered more than Saheeli.

I think he meant the card, not in the lore.

I also meant cards, mixed up collective's and defiances. Eldritch moon has like a dozen Gatewatch cards. While there may be reasons for them to be there. It was an absolutely jarring inclusion after SOI that completely smothered a major part of the set.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I think he meant the card, not in the lore.

I meant both. We already have a Nissa in Standard and did even before the rotation schedule changed.

I mean in the lore the entire Gatewatch was there. They just didn't all get cards so Nissa's inclusion came off as random.

 

[OnPoint]

I meant both. We already have a Nissa in Standard and did even before the rotation schedule changed.

I mean in the lore the entire Gatewatch was there. They just didn't all get cards so Nissa's inclusion came off as random.

Agreed. She was a total non factor in every way concerning Kaladesh. Maybe they won't have a Nissa for a bit now?