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Magic: the Gathering |OT13| Ixalan - Port to Sideboard
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I feel like if there was just an indicator on the front, heck it back and front, for DFCs that it would be a much more elegant solution. New players can handle as much and are asked to handle much worse all the time.
Giant Panda
Member
I know someone who is going to like this one
Deadeye Whatever 3U
Creature - Human Pirate
When ~ enters the battlefield, you may search your library for an Equipment or a Vehicle card and put it into your hand. If you do, shuffle your library.
2/2
Why is this blue? That would fit red so much better while still letting it be a pirate.
I'm guessing the UW archetype for this set is going to be vehicles.
The symbol on the top left corner and the little arrow on the bottom right one are what indicate the front, but you have to know those beforehand.
He's not saying it was exactly the Monarch mechanic, but something that fits the general idea of "there's a thing that only one player can have, that has some built-in way of changing hands." So yeah, drawing an extra card would be too strong, but something like an extra land or something that lets you gain a little life each turn could be a bonus worth putting in some effort to fight for without being game-breaking.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
RIP slow decks.
I keep forgetting the indent on the front, back on point the remidner deck is visually unpleasant.
I keep forgetting the indent on the front, back on point the remidner deck is visually unpleasant.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Maybe that was the plan all along.
Make red cards terrible, everyone complains aout it, make red good at being red again, then print good old lightning strike so when people complain again WotC can vow never to print Lightning Strike ever again.
It's genius really.
SigmasonicX
Member
In-depth look at the development of Wakening Sun's Avatar.
From MaRo's article, it's interesting that the set started out as just Natives vs. Vampire Conquistadors, then gained pirates, then split the native faction into warriors and shamans, then replaced shamans in green-blue with dinosaurs, then settled on the final version.
The very first thing design started exploring was the use of the Edge from Vampire: the Eternal Struggle. Though this went on to be monarch in Conspiracy: Take the Crown, note that there was no guarantee it would have worked the same way. In Vampire, the Edge granted you additional blood in your Pool at the start of your turn, which is similar to mana.
(Oh, and avatar change that's incidentally appropriate for this set)
From MaRo's article, it's interesting that the set started out as just Natives vs. Vampire Conquistadors, then gained pirates, then split the native faction into warriors and shamans, then replaced shamans in green-blue with dinosaurs, then settled on the final version.
The very first thing design started exploring was the use of the Edge from Vampire: the Eternal Struggle. Though this went on to be monarch in Conspiracy: Take the Crown, note that there was no guarantee it would have worked the same way. In Vampire, the Edge granted you additional blood in your Pool at the start of your turn, which is similar to mana.
(Oh, and avatar change that's incidentally appropriate for this set)
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's RDW. People can give it a nice name but in the end it's just RDW with flood insurance.
8+ 4 of this and 4 of the colourless desert that pings for 1 on ETB then some scavenger grounds for GY hate.
It runs 8~10 deserts. The full playsets of Ramunap Ruins and Sunscorch Desert. Some versions run 2 Scavanger Grounds either in the main or in the sideboard. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-ramunap-red
It's a mono red deck that aims to do as much damage as fast as possible so that by the time the opponent stabalizes you can use the ruins to get in the last few points of damage.
Here it is in the finals of pro tour HOU
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RounKdUWBZw
This card only affects cards drawn from the library, not the graveyard, right?
You can only draw cards from your library, yes.
Name's fine.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
drawing only applies to the library in general. You don't draw from the GY at all.
it's weird wotc pushed this name when many pros still use RDW when talking about it.
charlequin
Banned
I'm still not sure what they think exactly is left to do with Zendikar as "adventure world" when they have this. These DFCs are even managing the quest thing more on-point than the ZEN version.
The bonus wouldn't have been draw a card for that version. The Edge in V:TES gets you an extra blood each turn (closer to a mana than a card) and an extra vote when votes happen.
How do you make it communicate "front" without just saying "front" though? I think the reminder text is honestly probably the best way to make it clear to someone seeing it with no context.
The bonus wouldn't have been draw a card for that version. The Edge in V:TES gets you an extra blood each turn (closer to a mana than a card) and an extra vote when votes happen.
How do you make it communicate "front" without just saying "front" though? I think the reminder text is honestly probably the best way to make it clear to someone seeing it with no context.
They should have just stick calling it Sligh, RDW is dumb since WotC hates seeing Red win.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Put a 1 on one side and a 2 on the other, off the top of my head. Heck they are numbered a and b already.
That's like asking how to communicate colour without spelling it out? Certain aspects of card definining features are only communicated visually as is the front and back already.
When there's no back people of all ages would naturally seek the indicator that restores the exception to the norm
Those decks are entirely different without their namesake. RDW without Ramunap is still a mono red aggro deck
That doesn't actually fix the problem though. Now you have to explain what 1 and 2 (or A and B) mean. If some new player just sees the land side and sees a 2 somewhere, they're just going to be confused, since lands don't normally have mana costs. If they see a B, they're likely to ignore it. The way it's been done is more elegant than either of those solutions, especially when you account for the fact that it's not uncommon for players to see one side of a DFC without seeing the other.
In this standard, Ramunap Ruins is what makes mono-red aggro playable. The extra reach coming from the land slots is what keeps it from losing steam. On this, all of the pros agree. It's the key card that brings the deck together.
God i hate wizards so much
What the hell is the point of 7 cmc dinosaurs when you have lands that hit for 2 damage, and lightning strikes ?
There isn't enough lifegain in the world that can stop decks with Lightning Strike and Ramanup Ruins. I still remember the days when a 2/4 that gained you up to 2 life a turn, and a 4/5 gain 3 life draining rhino weren't good enough to stop red decks, and there is nothing like either of those cards in standard right now.
What the hell is the point of 7 cmc dinosaurs when you have lands that hit for 2 damage, and lightning strikes ?
There isn't enough lifegain in the world that can stop decks with Lightning Strike and Ramanup Ruins. I still remember the days when a 2/4 that gained you up to 2 life a turn, and a 4/5 gain 3 life draining rhino weren't good enough to stop red decks, and there is nothing like either of those cards in standard right now.
SigmasonicX
Member
All this said, I still expect a fair number of people to think you can cast it then transform it or play it as a land. While Primal Wellspring is definitely too strong for a normal land, I could see someone thinking Treasure Cove is fine as a rare land. Maybe they should have included "can't be played from hand" in the reminder text.
And yeah, that Lightning Strike art is bad.
And yeah, that Lightning Strike art is bad.
A Serious Man
Member
That Lightning Strike art is woeful. Looks like a frame from a 90's cartoon or something.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
you have to explain what DFCs are anyway to new players, just like you have to explain the colour indicator on the back of the card and a myriad of other things. FFS you eventually have to explain what reminder text is.
I don't know what this desire to belittle the human intellect is.
Searching for artifacts feels blue. The fact that they're combat-oriented artifacts can be attributed to this card being a blue pirate (as opposed to, say, a blue wizard).
Yes, you have to explain everything, eventually, which is why it's important to find the path of least resistance. The more grokkable you can make things the better. "This transforms from another card" is more grokkable than a big "B" and, especially a big "2" since numbers are typically used to show mana.
charlequin
Banned
Pretty sure back when everyone was whining about red being bad there was a kirblar post explaining how easily it flips from that to this, lol.
People have been complaining about WotC's attempts to use visual design to make things easier on players for twenty years and they have almost never been right. This is probably one of the areas where WotC has most consistently taken the right approach over their history.
SigmasonicX
Member
Concerning the earlier question about why Lightning Strike is uncommon, we can't forget that it's a very strong card, especially in Limited. If someone manages to gather a bunch of them at common, that deck is guaranteed to be good, which is why they bumped it up. Even the strictly worse Open Fire was one of the best commons in Amonkhet block!
Yeah, it's obviously too good at common. You don't want people having multiples of this.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I can see your point but I don't think this would actually make it less grokkable, whatever that means.
I don't follow.
Limited purposes most likely. It's too expensive to be playable in regular constructed anyway, so no big deal.
I'm not excited about it because it's blue and four mana either.
Though there must at least be a cutlass in this set now!
