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Magic: The Gathering |OT3| Enchantment Under the Siege
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Yeah, it's unreal in attrition matchups. Oddly, though, it's dead in ones that aren't. Playing UWR Delver against Elves, for example, leaves the card stranded in your hand all game long.
Well, he's also playing four copies. In legacy I imagine it's even more busted though since you can pitch it with fow and shuffle it away with brainstorm.
So redemptions. I've never done it before, but KtK seems pretty attractive right now even including the outrageous shipping fee. Should I or shouldn't I?
So redemptions. I've never done it before, but KtK seems pretty attractive right now even including the outrageous shipping fee. Should I or shouldn't I?
I'd like to see more matchups than the mirror and burn.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
...that's all there is now
charlequin
Banned
It's pretty much a foregone conclusion. The pulled teaser for the second set specifically mentions Sarkhan going back in time and saving Ugin's life. The Planeswalkers' Guide mentions the Temur shamans having visions of an alternate Tarkir where the dragons never died out. They are pounding the drum pretty hard.
Even "Dig through Time" has a dragon in the art
Blue dragon confirmed to be OP, possibly bannable.
I don't wanna imagine an OP bannable dragon. But hey, let's give dragons some utility.
Cerulean Mistdancer 1URW
Creature - Dragon
Flying
1U: Draw a card, Cerulean Mistdancer loses
flying until end of turn
Discard a card at random: Cerulean Mistancer
gains haste until end of turn
Exile two dragons from your graveyard:
Return Cerulean Mistdancer to play. Use this
ability only if Cerulean Mistdancer is in your
graveyard
4/4
Creature - Dragon
Flying
1U: Draw a card, Cerulean Mistdancer loses
flying until end of turn
Discard a card at random: Cerulean Mistancer
gains haste until end of turn
Exile two dragons from your graveyard:
Return Cerulean Mistdancer to play. Use this
ability only if Cerulean Mistdancer is in your
graveyard
4/4
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
keeblerdrow
Member
Time-Lost Proto Drake (7)
Haste
At the beginning of each of your combat steps, name a creature card. Search all libraries for a copy of this card and reveal it. Time-Lost Proto Drake becomes a copy of this creature until the end of combat.
If TLPD becones the target of a spell, turn TLPD face down.
Morph 15
0/5
Clone dragon?
Haste
At the beginning of each of your combat steps, name a creature card. Search all libraries for a copy of this card and reveal it. Time-Lost Proto Drake becomes a copy of this creature until the end of combat.
If TLPD becones the target of a spell, turn TLPD face down.
Morph 15
0/5
Clone dragon?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Its Flametongue Kavu, its unprintable.
divisionbyzorro
Member
THIS FORMAT IS SIMULTANEOUSLY THE BEST AND WORST THING EVER
3-0 in matches, 6-0 in games. One opponent even just ragequit instead of letting me attack for lethal with 0 cards in my library.
Also, Dazzling Ramparts was surprisingly amazing. And I amend yesterday's comment: Spelljacking your opponent's Waterwhirl with Kheru Spellsnatcher might actually be the best feeling in Magic. Or surviving Duneblast by casting Treasure Cruise and deploying two threats on the same turn. Or Warden of the Eye getting back Sarkhan after your opponent all-in semi-suicides to kill it.
My Jeskai honeymoon is over. The tri-land temptress has my heartstrings now. Also, HTF did I end up with four tri-lands in this deck, all different? So lucky.
3-0 in matches, 6-0 in games. One opponent even just ragequit instead of letting me attack for lethal with 0 cards in my library.
Also, Dazzling Ramparts was surprisingly amazing. And I amend yesterday's comment: Spelljacking your opponent's Waterwhirl with Kheru Spellsnatcher might actually be the best feeling in Magic. Or surviving Duneblast by casting Treasure Cruise and deploying two threats on the same turn. Or Warden of the Eye getting back Sarkhan after your opponent all-in semi-suicides to kill it.
My Jeskai honeymoon is over. The tri-land temptress has my heartstrings now. Also, HTF did I end up with four tri-lands in this deck, all different? So lucky.
Fuck! Not viable, gotta think of another card.
Went 4-0 with my Boros Midrange for WNM. Curving out from Seeker to Rabblemaster to Chandra to Wingmate Rocs was pretty nice lol. I'm liking how this deck is shaping up to be.
2-0 Jeskai Ascendancy combo
2-1 R/W Tokens
2-1 G/B Devotion
2-0 Temur Aggro
1xNyx-Fleece Ram
4xSeeker of the Way
1xHushwing Gryff
2xBrimaz
4xRabblemaster
1xAshcloud Phoenix
1xWingmate Roc
1xStormbreath
2xChandra
1xSarkhan
1xElspeth
4xMagma Jet
4xLightning Strike
4xStoke the Flames
2xChained to the Rocks
2xBanishing Lights
1xTormenting Voice
4xBattlefield Forge
4xTemple of Triumph
4xWind-Scarred Crag
10xMountain
2xPlain
My 5 slots are Wingmate Rocs, Stormbreaths, and Sarkhan. I got one of each going but I'm leaning on playing more Wingmates as the life gains from attacking with Brimaz and Rabble tokens are pretty nice.
I've been happy with Nyx-Fleece. Top decking it sucks but dropping it so early gives me such a nice life gaining advantage. I may bump it to 2 copies.
I'm not sure about Hushwing yet so testing a 1 of. It did win me a game though as it flew over everything and my opponent wanted to save his kill spell for something more threatening.
I like 2 Chandra's in the mb. It lets me push damage through and is one of the few ways for me to "draw" cards with the 0 ability.
I have plenty of mountains to hit Chains with, so I may bump up the count. One of the bonuses of just running R/W and not R/W/x.
On the other end, I lack playing all the scrylands, so Tormenting Voice is in there.
A Mana Confluence or 2 may be added. With a few heavy cmc cards, I'm not sure if I should bump my lands to 25. I figure with just two colors, 24 lands was ok to run.
SB
2xMagma Spray
2xErase
2xGlare Heresy
1xDeflecting Palm
2xAnger of the Gods
2xDevouring Light
1xHarness by Force
2xEnd Hosilities
1xElspeth
2-0 Jeskai Ascendancy combo
2-1 R/W Tokens
2-1 G/B Devotion
2-0 Temur Aggro
1xNyx-Fleece Ram
4xSeeker of the Way
1xHushwing Gryff
2xBrimaz
4xRabblemaster
1xAshcloud Phoenix
1xWingmate Roc
1xStormbreath
2xChandra
1xSarkhan
1xElspeth
4xMagma Jet
4xLightning Strike
4xStoke the Flames
2xChained to the Rocks
2xBanishing Lights
1xTormenting Voice
4xBattlefield Forge
4xTemple of Triumph
4xWind-Scarred Crag
10xMountain
2xPlain
My 5 slots are Wingmate Rocs, Stormbreaths, and Sarkhan. I got one of each going but I'm leaning on playing more Wingmates as the life gains from attacking with Brimaz and Rabble tokens are pretty nice.
I've been happy with Nyx-Fleece. Top decking it sucks but dropping it so early gives me such a nice life gaining advantage. I may bump it to 2 copies.
I'm not sure about Hushwing yet so testing a 1 of. It did win me a game though as it flew over everything and my opponent wanted to save his kill spell for something more threatening.
I like 2 Chandra's in the mb. It lets me push damage through and is one of the few ways for me to "draw" cards with the 0 ability.
I have plenty of mountains to hit Chains with, so I may bump up the count. One of the bonuses of just running R/W and not R/W/x.
On the other end, I lack playing all the scrylands, so Tormenting Voice is in there.
A Mana Confluence or 2 may be added. With a few heavy cmc cards, I'm not sure if I should bump my lands to 25. I figure with just two colors, 24 lands was ok to run.
SB
2xMagma Spray
2xErase
2xGlare Heresy
1xDeflecting Palm
2xAnger of the Gods
2xDevouring Light
1xHarness by Force
2xEnd Hosilities
1xElspeth
I'm going to go to a Sealed PTQ in Dayton on Saturday. Figure I got to try at least once to spike a random tournament and get that envelope before PPTQs start. Have there been any big revelations for Sealed strategy since the prerelease? Planning on 18 lands as my default starting amount unless there's a big reason not to in the pool. Gotta land those morphs.
i think cruise works so much better in burn decks. Burn just destroys delver
How about
Niv-Mizzet, Lost In Time 2UURR
Flying
Flash
When ~~ enters the battlefield or is turned face up, counter target spell unless its controller pays 3.
Morph 1U
4/4
Looks good. What are your thoughts on Ashcloud? I am running it as a 1-of in my Jeskai tempo but have yet to get a chance to test it.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Okay, so I may be going back on Dig Through Time and Cruise being sort of busted in Modern. I haven't played against anything not running one or both of them in the past week. And they fucking win games.
To be honest, I more dread seeing Dig Through Time. Yeah, it's drawing one less card, but it's drawing two cards that you want. It's almost impossible to whiff on it.
To be honest, I more dread seeing Dig Through Time. Yeah, it's drawing one less card, but it's drawing two cards that you want. It's almost impossible to whiff on it.
Alright, going with my wedge dragon idea, I want to make them all haha
I tried to tone down the original one minorly
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Sultai Dragon 1BUG
Flying
BU: Target player puts the top 2 cards of
his or her library into the graveyard
G, Exile Sultai Dragon: Put target card
in your graveyard on top of your deck.
Use this ability only if Sultai Dragon is
in your graveyard.
4/4
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Temur Dragon 1RUG
Flying
RRUU: Copy target instant or sorcery
you control. You may choose new targets
for it.
1RG: Creatures you control gain +1/+0 and
trample until end of turn. Use this ability only
Once per turn.
4/4
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Azban Dragon 1GWB
Flying
1WG: You may add one counter of the
appropriate type to each permanent you
control with a counter on it. Use this ability
only once per turn.
BW, exile two cards from your graveyard:
Creatures you control get lifelink until the
end of the turn.
4/4
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Mardu Dragon 1RWB
Flying
Sacrifice a permanent: Mardu Dragon
gains haste and lifelink until the end of
the turn.
RB, sacrifice Mardu Dragon: Mardu Dragon
deals 4 damage to target creature. If that
creature dies, Mardu Dragon deals 2 damage
to that creature's controller.
4/4
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Jeskai Dragon 1URW
Flying
UR, discard a card at random: Jeskai Dragon
gains haste until end of turn. Draw a card.
Exile two dragons from your graveyard:
Return Jeskai Dragon to play. Use this
ability only if Jeskai Dragon is in your
graveyard
4/4
I tried to tone down the original one minorly
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Sultai Dragon 1BUG
Flying
BU: Target player puts the top 2 cards of
his or her library into the graveyard
G, Exile Sultai Dragon: Put target card
in your graveyard on top of your deck.
Use this ability only if Sultai Dragon is
in your graveyard.
4/4
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Temur Dragon 1RUG
Flying
RRUU: Copy target instant or sorcery
you control. You may choose new targets
for it.
1RG: Creatures you control gain +1/+0 and
trample until end of turn. Use this ability only
Once per turn.
4/4
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Azban Dragon 1GWB
Flying
1WG: You may add one counter of the
appropriate type to each permanent you
control with a counter on it. Use this ability
only once per turn.
BW, exile two cards from your graveyard:
Creatures you control get lifelink until the
end of the turn.
4/4
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Mardu Dragon 1RWB
Flying
Sacrifice a permanent: Mardu Dragon
gains haste and lifelink until the end of
the turn.
RB, sacrifice Mardu Dragon: Mardu Dragon
deals 4 damage to target creature. If that
creature dies, Mardu Dragon deals 2 damage
to that creature's controller.
4/4
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Jeskai Dragon 1URW
Flying
UR, discard a card at random: Jeskai Dragon
gains haste until end of turn. Draw a card.
Exile two dragons from your graveyard:
Return Jeskai Dragon to play. Use this
ability only if Jeskai Dragon is in your
graveyard
4/4
An utility dragon? For vintage it's easy:
Hoarder Dragon 2RR
Creature - Dragon
When Hoarder Dragon ETB, take control of target artifact with cmc of 1 or less.
If you control no artifact with cmc 1 or less, Hoarder dragon don't untap.
Flying
5/5
Bit harder for Legacy since there are so many ways to attack that format. But i guess a dragon with an attached Scald could be decent, or in general a blue-hosing dragon. Like a 3RR Dragon that tap for Boil!
Hoarder Dragon 2RR
Creature - Dragon
When Hoarder Dragon ETB, take control of target artifact with cmc of 1 or less.
If you control no artifact with cmc 1 or less, Hoarder dragon don't untap.
Flying
5/5
Bit harder for Legacy since there are so many ways to attack that format. But i guess a dragon with an attached Scald could be decent, or in general a blue-hosing dragon. Like a 3RR Dragon that tap for Boil!
I like it every time I played it. I forced my opponent to 2 for 1 it every time. I believe the meta will get more players to run Stormbreaths vs Wingmate Rocs. Ashcloud trades with Stormbreaths just fine. My deck is more midrange than aggro, so I usually have the mana to flip Ashcloud from facedown, giving it great staying power. It's only sideboarded out vs Boss Sligh or mono back aggro because I bring Anger of the Gods in. I may put in a 2nd copy with more testing.
Dig reminds me of a soft Sphinx's Rev in Standards. You can really chain them together mid-late game. I was watching this U/B control player chaining 3 of them in back to back turns. It's the biggest thing lacking from my Boros deck.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
shrapnelmagnet
Member
Yo, charge your phone, brah!
4 years is pretty harsh... But it's a pretty shitty thing to be doing.
Question: Player A has Soltari Guerrillas, Player B has Fog Bank. Player A attacks and gets through and redirects it to Player B's Fog Bank. Is the damage still considerd Combat Damage? Foggy dead?
shrapnelmagnet
Member
Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with you... But still.. Just sucks all around for everyone, I guess.
No, he's a thief. He cheats people out of earnings. No different than a guy who steals binders.
shrapnelmagnet
Member
That's a fair point.
It's still combat damage; so the Fog Bank will survive.
As long as it knows how to love, it knows it'll stay alive~
shrapnelmagnet
Member
Thanks! Yeah, I had a hunch that it was, but some quick searching came up with nothing. Love the Urza art on Fog Bank. Whenever I buy some, i try to get that one.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I like the "your womans" part the best.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yes, people who don't like to see others cheated are all neckbeards.
Because a guy who plays with pretend wizard spell cards professionally is not at all a gigantic fucking nerd.
The guy, along with Alex, deserve lifetime bans.
Because a guy who plays with pretend wizard spell cards professionally is not at all a gigantic fucking nerd.
The guy, along with Alex, deserve lifetime bans.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
It's Humphries with the ole Facebook name switcheroo.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
It was never actually given to him. Prizes generally take some time to get to winners precisely for this reason.
divisionbyzorro
Member
Any checks he's already cashed are his. But his winnings from the open will be donated to Child's Play.
Four years is an odd number. That is a LONG suspension and it makes you wonder why it wasn't lifetime. I'm with Kirblar - premeditated cheats deserve lifetime bans, especially when coming from people who should be mature adults (if I catch a 16-year-old stacking his deck at a GP, I'd opt to just ban him for a few years and give him a chance to grow up).
And his public reaction should warrant a suspension upgrade, TBH. His reaction indicates a complete lack of ability to self-reflect and there's zero reason to believe he's going to change. He's poison for the game, and players need confidence that when these types of players are rooted out, they'll be removed forever.
Good that the prize payout is going to be donated. Still, other people got burned by him.
I don't know how prevalent this is now, but I remember young players separating their lands and nonlands into two piles, then stack the deck with two nonlands and one land, then shuffle a few times and present the deck. They didn't know better and probably got burned by mana issues in the past. I don't think they should be suspended. It's like people who don't know the maximum hand count is 7. But, yeah, sleight of hand stuff should be cause for a severe punishment.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I just don't get how it's bad for the game to show that this shit isn't tolerated. Because right now, WotC is very much saying that it is. Blatant, intentional cheating of this nature, where there is verifiable proof should absolutely be met with a lifetime ban. It doesn't stop him from playing the game, but it prevents the possibility of him every profiting off the game again. Playing in sanctioned events is very much a privilege.
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