This was actually spoiled like a week ago as a text spoiler with no source. I thought it was too good to be true. The fact that it's actually a real card is insane.
Awesome. White Pyromancer lol.
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Magic: The Gathering |OT3| Enchantment Under the Siege
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keeblerdrow
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Some of these spoilers in Jeskai seem to me that the community "discovered" Jeskai Tokens before R&D had anticipated us to, before we got all the pieces for it. That deck will be insane if the right balance is found here.
SigmasonicX
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There's apparently more dragon stuff going on than we've seen. But they don't want to spoil set 3 early either.
Thinking about this guy makes me finally realize what prowess is: as you fire the spell, the fighter jumps up while twirling and uses a bit of the spell as a weapon (or if it's an artifact, just uses the artifact). This guy uses mana to double that energy, forming it into swords, and proceeds to do a spin dash into the enemy.
Or something like that.
lol no joke..
"God's Beard!"
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UHHHHHHHHHHYep.. That's going to go extremely well with rabblemaster..
Edit: Happy new year MtGaf
Awesome. White Pyromancer lol.
That is an illegal amount of value.
WHY DO THE TOKENS HAVE PROWESS?
Fuck rabblemaster. This thing is Jeskai Ascendancy.
3 color generals.
SigmasonicX
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Yeah, commander looks at the "color identity", which considers not just the creature's colors, but also every mana symbol in its text box. It is for this reason that Bosh, Iron Golem is considered a red commander.
Personally, I do think this rule shouldn't work the way it does. Color identity of the commander should determine what colors you have access to, but what you can include in your deck should only be determined by the card's colors. This way, Bosh can still be a red commander, but you could include Sorcerer of the Hunt in his deck. You just won't be able to activate its ability due to the rule that colored mana outside of your commander's identity becomes colorless instead. I can understand not allowing hybrid creatures if one color is outside of your commander's identity, due to effects that boost creatures of certain colors and such, but mana symbols in the text box shouldn't have such huge sway.
So does a card like Rhys the Exiled mean that I can have a G/B deck? I was under the impression that mana not in the CMC color of the general was colorless.
charlequin
Banned
They fixed it like three years ago.
It took forever to get this fixed in the first place, I don't see them changing it to a version that's actually harder to explain.
This set is nuts. There's just so much creative stuff, way more than I've seen in a small set in a long time.
Hardly. Giving the Slith effect to your creatures on a 4 power body with haste for 4 is already pretty sweet. Being able to churn out card advantage next turn makes it sweeter.
divisionbyzorro
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I'm thinking of him in terms of cube, and he doesn't rate anywhere close to the red 4-drops that have made waves in the past.
"God's Beard!"
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It's not a bear, though.
"God's Beard!"
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Monastery Mentor plus Hammer of Purphoros might be pretty nuts.
Yes, it's card-specific.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Kirblar, you were looking for a discard outlet for Hornet Queen? Well there it is.
Why does Sultai Ascendancy even exist with that in the same block?
Why does Sultai Ascendancy even exist with that in the same block?
Not a huge fan of Daghatar (worse Ghave that can steal opponents' +1/+1 counters?), but Monastery Siege looks solid.
Why do the blue ones always cost less??
That they're intentionally having drafted w/ the 3rd set to make sure you open more fetches.
Preordering this set right now is "lol" unless you find a cheap deal. SCG's back to their old pricing structure.
edit: Crux of Fate seems nutty to pick up at 6.75 via TCG right now. Card is real. Also grabbed Revelation at .75
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
So basically, rip out seeker of the way and rabble master out of jeskai tokens and replace them with soulfire grandmaster and monastery mentor. Holy fucking cow. Holy cow! This is near broken.
"God's Beard!"
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Jeskai Ascendancy basically does the same thing but better
Yeah but I only care about reanimator strategies right now.
If I start building tokens in my head I'll start buying cards. Even cutting blue for RW tokens/burn is nuts and we don't have half the set out.
Seeker is much better than Grandmaster in a lot of situations.
acheron_xl
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I'm kinda surprised they're not using a counter to alleviate any memory issues with cards like this.
I figure official tournaments will use some kind of marker for khans/dragons.
There's no way they're going to expect players to remember whether this card is khan or that card is dragons.
Also that is one hell of a "no fun allowed" enchantment.
acheron_xl
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One of the rules cards should have perforated, coin sized punch-outs, with Dragons on one side and Khans on the other. If they were exploring the idea of scratch-off cards for Unglued 2, I'm sure they could manage a measly little die-cutting.
SigmasonicX
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It's annoying seeing the blue part of the siege cycle once again being both cheaper and more powerful for its cost than the other parts of the cycle. As for Daghatar, I guess him being the worst khan so far is to make up for the two white mystics.
"Torrent Elemental"
4U
Creature - Elemental
Flying
Whenever Torrent Elemental attacks, tap all creatures defending player controls.
3[B/G][B/G]: Return Torrent Elemental from exile to the battlefield tapped. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery.
3/5
And MaRo already hated Misthollow Griffin. Also, why is returning from exile suddenly black/green (other than "because Sultai)?
"Torrent Elemental"
4U
Creature - Elemental
Flying
Whenever Torrent Elemental attacks, tap all creatures defending player controls.
3[B/G][B/G]: Return Torrent Elemental from exile to the battlefield tapped. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery.
3/5
And MaRo already hated Misthollow Griffin. Also, why is returning from exile suddenly black/green (other than "because Sultai)?
acheron_xl
Member
It's his uncontrollable 'Vorthos'. It's the same part of him that utterly despises the existence of green direct damage. I get it, but I still think double-faced cards are the biggest crossing-the-line thing they've ever done in that regard. A card returning from exile every so often isn't that big a deal.
SigmasonicX
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You know, I realized that you could potentially put Torrent Elemental in a mono-green deck without any blue mana sources, and as long as you get it exiled, you can cast it. Thus, green gets another flyer, and it even makes your creatures effectively unblockable!
"God's Beard!"
Member
Delving it away then activating it also gets around counter magic.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Nah its not a Vorthos thing, its an understandable concern about muddying the waters. Once something's printed its printed. I do think he overreacts about some stuff, but I also get the concerns about color diversity
charlequin
Banned
It's hilariously ironic that after eliminating three-set blocks because they never succeed in giving three sets each their own distinct identity, their swan-song third block seems like it's finally going to actually succeed at doing so.
Once they fixed things up in the tournament guidelines to allow players to use game effect markers they stopped worrying nearly as much about memory issues. Their current thought process is that using a marker counter inaccurately implies to people that removing the counter removes the effect, so it's easier to just cause a permanent state change and let players figure out their own method of physically marking that.
That's what I thought seeing some of these cards.
The 2/3 guy with "Raid: Make a 1/1" in KTK was also an eyebrow raiser.
charlequin
Banned
There's a lot of Commander players who really enjoy playing white/green/black counter decks but who don't enjoy getting stomped out immediately by people who see an overpowered monster like Ghave, so I actually think having a weaker and more fair general that fills that niche is kind of nice.
I (mostly) agree with Rosewater on removing arbitrary cards from exile but I think cards returning themselves is entirely reasonable. He hasn't really articulated a good reason these cards are bad on their own -- it's really because he's concerned they'll be a gateway drug to more extensive exile fuckery. I understand the concern but I just don't think it's what will really happen.
To me it's a white/green/black ability for basically the same reasons resurrection is in those colors.
At least somebody at WotC is paying attention to Hearthstone!
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