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[divisionbyzorro]

idk I wanted something Timmier. Didn't someone here say that they have a Prime Speaker Zegana deck? She seems super Timmy. MagicGAF help me.

Do you want TIMMY SMASH or win-from-nowhere-because-you-have-infinite-mana-and-can-draw-your-deck?

My Prime Speaker Zegana deck is more the latter (I think this is its current configuration; I haven't pulled it out in a couple of months):

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-06-14-prime-speaker-edh/

It still has some sub-optimal cards in it; I built it mostly from scrounging out of the junk drawers from my friends, opening good stuff during Theros drafts, or trading for a few other pieces. But this thing is remarkably effective (albeit not really very good at surviving early aggression; it banks the fact that most players like their games to go long). It usually wins by blinking Palinchron for infinite mana (either with Deadeye Navigator or Ghostly Flicker + Mnemonic Wall), followed by blinking Prime Speaker until you draw Capsize, then Capsize the board. If they don't scoop, either win with Lab Maniac (the quick way) or attack them to death.

I've also, just for kicks, built an trillion/trillion Polukranos before and wiped the entire board. That was cool.

 

[Toxi]

If you're looking for a fun EDH commander, don't use Captain Sisay. Tutor generals are extremely boring to play because they play the same each game with little variation. There's always an optimal set-up.

Tutors in general are fine outside of a few like Goblin Recruiter, but tutor generals just aren't very fun to use.

looks like /r/magictcg hates Tiny Leaders, I kind of do too.

I like some format variants like Pauper EDH, but Tiny Leaders sucks. The entire idea of the format is stupidly restrictive to the type of deck you can play.

 

[Firemind]

Pauper EDH? How does that even work? Most legendaries are rare.

2-1. I bring shame upon ye, my lord kiln fiend. I now must commit sudoku to repent my sin.

Spoiler

To be fair, I didn't draw enough kiln fiends! Instead I drew those damned crabs every game. :lol

 

[red13th]

Great suggestions. divisonbyzorro, your Zegana deck looks great.
Building a EDH deck will be my goal after I get the last few cards for my cube.

If you're looking for a fun EDH commander, don't use Captain Sisay. Tutor generals are extremely boring to play because they play the same each game with little variation. There's always an optimal set-up.

I like some format variants like Pauper EDH, but Tiny Leaders sucks. The entire idea of the format is stupidly restrictive to the type of deck you can play.

wait pauper EDH? how would that even work?

EDIT: lol Firemind and I posted at the same time.

 

[Etrian Oddity]

So I dropped the Izzet deck and instead went Sultai delve, and I love the Johnny-ness of the deck.

 

[Toxi]

wait pauper EDH? how would that even work?

EDIT: lol Firemind and I posted at the same time.

Pauper EDH? How does that even work? Most legendaries are rare.

General is any uncommon creature (not just legendary), deck is made of commons otherwise. It used to be a lot more popular, but I still have fun with the decks I built.

Biggest problem was that there were some obvious staples like Capsize.

 

["God's Beard!"]

General is any uncommon creature (not just legendary), deck is made of commons otherwise. It used to be a lot more popular, but I still have fun with the decks I built.

Biggest problem was that there were some obvious staples like Capsize.

Finally, a format for my Psychatogs.

 

[OnPoint]

If you're looking for a fun EDH commander, don't use Captain Sisay. Tutor generals are extremely boring to play because they play the same each game with little variation. There's always an optimal set-up.

Tutors in general are fine outside of a few like Goblin Recruiter, but tutor generals just aren't very fun to use.

I like some format variants like Pauper EDH, but Tiny Leaders sucks. The entire idea of the format is stupidly restrictive to the type of deck you can play.

This is true. I built one and it was not fun for people to play against. Wasn't that fun to pilot either if I'm being honest.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Over the course of limited and packs here and there, I've opened at least 7 Zurgo Helmsmashers. Unlike FRF, I never even bought a box of Khans.

I found a Zurgo Helmsmasher in the cushions of my couch the other day, no joke.

 

[OnPoint]

Wizards should let you mail them in for Bellringers, since Helmsmasher doesn't exist anymore.

 

[Toxi]

Over the course of limited and packs here and there, I've opened at least 7 Zurgo Helmsmashers.

I found a Zurgo Helmsmasher in the cushions of my couch the other day, no joke.

Reminds me of this series of videos.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Wizards should let you mail them in for Bellringers, since Helmsmasher doesn't exist anymore.

In the next expansion, Zurgo will find the sports almanac in the first "travel to the future" set, and then he'll be the Khan of every clan in the present.

 

[OnPoint]

Was Future Sight not set in the future? I wasn't following back then.

He totally is Biff though.

 

[keeblerdrow]

I can't wait to get to the plane where the lhurgoyfs live and we get the "goyf set" with something like a dozen of them, but no sign of the tarmo variety.

 

[kirblar]

I can't wait to get to the plane where the lhurgoyfs live and we get the "goyf set" with something like a dozen of them, but no sign of the tarmo variety.

You mean Odyssey?

 

[Toxi]

I can't wait to get to the plane where the lhurgoyfs live and we get the "goyf set" with something like a dozen of them, but no sign of the tarmo variety.

On any plane without fetch lands or tribal spells the poor Tarmogoyfs are hunted to extinction by their larger brethren.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Was Future Sight not set in the future? I wasn't following back then.

He totally is Biff though.

I think it was the present with timey-wimey shit causing future stuff to appear in the present.

 

[Etrian Oddity]

You mean Odyssey?

Hehehe

I just wanna see the triumphant return of elephants with Armodons. Forget Loxodons!

 

[Angry Grimace]

Well, I won a match in ROE.

Okay, I lost the other two, but that's just because he had that stupid rare Chimera to steal my fucken Eldrazi

 

[OnPoint]

I can't wait to get to the plane where the lhurgoyfs live and we get the "goyf set" with something like a dozen of them, but no sign of the tarmo variety.

The first goyf was in Ice Age anyway...

 

[Gaming Truth]

Question: I like white a lot and Ojutai seems to be the obvious pick for the prerelease. Can anyone talk me out of that?

 

[ThLunarian]

I finally finished my Ante Cube and I was about to start finding people to help me take it out on its inaugural draft... and then I realized it's Prerelease Weekend Oh well, maybe next week.

 

["God's Beard!"]

How many packs of each is the prerelease?

 

[Toxi]

Man, Christopher Burdett did a great job on Ancient Carp.

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";156672913]How many packs of each is the prerelease?[/QUOTE]
Four Dragons of Tarkir, one Fate Reforge, one clan-specific pack with cards only in the color combo you chose.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Man, Christopher Burdett did a great job on Ancient Carp.

Four Dragons of Tarkir, one Fate Reforge, one clan-specific pack with cards only in the color combo you chose.

 

[SigmasonicX]

I figure that the Ancient Carp art is meant to be a direct reference to Dandan, except this time the eye is drawn to the fish instead of the boats.

 

[Toxi]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was referencing Dandan with the angle and boats, though the end result has a different feel. Dandan's a very ominous and atmospheric piece, while Ancient Carp looks like something from a children's picture book (In a good way).

 

[Taramoor]

I like the throwbacks to the past like on Fate Forgotten, Learn from the Past, Duress, Wandering Tombshell, Sarkhan's Rage, Tormenting Voice, Ainok Artillerist, Circle of Elders. As for names, Narset Transcendant sounds both elegant and badass, but for the uncommons and commons, I like the simplicity of Roast and the absurd Epic Confrontation. Which cards did you work on this time?

Names:
https://twitter.com/Bricobrosse/status/576456505999814656

Flavor Text:
https://twitter.com/Bricobrosse/status/576456597037170688

 

[ElyrionX]

Do you want TIMMY SMASH or win-from-nowhere-because-you-have-infinite-mana-and-can-draw-your-deck?

My Prime Speaker Zegana deck is more the latter (I think this is its current configuration; I haven't pulled it out in a couple of months):

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-06-14-prime-speaker-edh/

It still has some sub-optimal cards in it; I built it mostly from scrounging out of the junk drawers from my friends, opening good stuff during Theros drafts, or trading for a few other pieces. But this thing is remarkably effective (albeit not really very good at surviving early aggression; it banks the fact that most players like their games to go long). It usually wins by blinking Palinchron for infinite mana (either with Deadeye Navigator or Ghostly Flicker + Mnemonic Wall), followed by blinking Prime Speaker until you draw Capsize, then Capsize the board. If they don't scoop, either win with Lab Maniac (the quick way) or attack them to death.

I've also, just for kicks, built an trillion/trillion Polukranos before and wiped the entire board. That was cool.

So basically it's a mono-blue combo deck but with green for ramp and some creatures?

 

["God's Beard!"]

Well, I won a match in ROE.

Okay, I lost the other two, but that's just because he had that stupid rare Chimera to steal my fucken Eldrazi

I lost because my opponent played a 2/1 flier on turn three and it attacked ten times.

 

[Firemind]

This is the second time I lost to Ugin. What a bunch of crock. Worse than Time Vault.

 

[Hackworth]

Prereleases start tomorrow! What dragons have you all chosen?

Also, what's the prerelease situation where you all are? In NZ we aren't actually getting the special pack because the boats got delayed, so we get 5 generic DtK, 1 FRf, and then the rest of the pack shows up in April. Still got to pick a dragon tho.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Prereleases start tomorrow! What dragons have you all chosen?

Also, what's the prerelease situation where you all are? In NZ we aren't actually getting the special pack because the boats got delayed, so we get 5 generic DtK, 1 FRf, and then the rest of the pack shows up in April. Still got to pick a dragon tho.

Picked Ojutai, and while our store is getting 40 pre-release packs, the location's so small that they can only fit 32 people before it becomes a fire hazard or some shit.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

So basically it's a mono-blue combo deck but with green for ramp and some creatures?

I guess? I'm just not very good at building traditional creature decks. My other EDH deck is a Melek Dragonstorm/Epic Experiment/Dream Halls deck. :lol

 

[MjFrancis]

Prereleases start tomorrow! What dragons have you all chosen?

Silumgar. Green/black die looks sweet.

Ojutai is a close second.

Spoiler

Yes I'm picking based on dice alone.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Four Dragons of Tarkir, one Fate Reforge, one clan-specific pack with cards only in the color combo you chose.

In that case, I'd pick Silumgar free.

 

[ultron87]

I'm on Ojutai and Silumgar for my two. Blue/White has been my favorite combo forever and I also really want to try and play the Youthful Scholars/Palace Familiar exploit deck. Because that just sounds great. I'm sure my packs will entirely not behave, but I gotta dream.

I want all those dice.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Let's play Cube!

Oh, and I mulled to oblivion hunting for lands game one. And my opponent was playing UB draw-go; he literally never played anything at sorcery speed until he had 10 mana - i.e., my worst nightmare matchup. Round two I got a bye. Hopefully round three goes better.

Whatever happens - you have to admire the mana base.

EDIT: Smashed a Sultai Recurring Nightmare deck in the third round. As expected, creature strategies can't hang with my deck.

 

[kirblar]

The dream is dead (I think), Australia had prereleases already.

 

[red13th]

so defensive
I still hate him for swimming in that pool of AVR money!

 

[kirblar]

Almost all the good/chase cards of that set were Mythic, which also has to have played a part.

 

["God's Beard!"]

The dream is dead (I think), Australia had prereleases already.

I went to a store in Berkeley last week that already had all their product opened behind the counter and ready for preorders. I assume that plenty of stored had already done the same, so if there was anything crazy going on with the lands, it would have spoiled already.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

http://themeadery.org/articles/developing-story-gw-devotion-mirror-match-still-ongoing

Tee hee.

 

[ElyrionX]

The dream is dead (I think), Australia had prereleases already.

Still, it was an interesting call

 

[SigmasonicX]

so defensive
I still hate him for swimming in that pool of AVR money!

I really don't get how you could still be upset about this. Anyway, follow up to that (and I'd appreciate if you linked the post instead of posting a picture):

plain-dealing-villain asked: Magic is growing enough that you could release a set as disappointing as Mercadian Masques and it would still probably sell better than the set that came a year before it. "It sold well" is such an easy bar to clear that it says almost literally nothing about the quality of a set; I'm not sure it even counts as evidence in the Bayesian sense. If this is the metric you're using retrospectively, you need much better metrics. (Born of the Gods was very possibly such a set. It still sold fine.)

A couple things to keep in mind. First, we have a lot of data available to us and none of it is looked at in a vacuum. We aren’t just looking at raw numbers but comparing them to other relevant numbers.

Second, we don’t look at just one snapshot of time. We look at sales over the entire run of the life of the product. The progression and trends in sales are very informative.

Third, we’ve done our homework in understanding the data. And there’s a lot more than just sales numbers. It tells us there is a strong correlation between happiness with gameplay and sales. There is no factor, by the way, that can make a set that is unpopular to play with sell well over the life of the set.

Fourth, there are many Magic players each wanting different things out of a set. Just because one group doesn’t like a set doesn’t mean that holds true for other groups.

Fifth and finally, we’re not in the business of making critically acclaimed sets that a tiny audience purchases. We’re trying to make blockbusters - high quality blockbusters, but blockbusters nonetheless.

 

[phazedplasma]

I like this new std all common mono blue combo:
http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2zni1z/standard_bad_combo_for_the_day_monoblue/

Its like ascendancy combo, but one color.

fill the rest of your hand with swan songs, counters and card draw and wait to go off.

So bad its actually good?

 

[Angry Grimace]

No, no, no guys Avacyn Restored was good because I have to toe the party line which is that it made money so we're gonna make more stuff like that.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

It's really easy to forget how much of their market is people who buy packs at Wal-Mart, jam games at the table, and have no idea who LSV is.

 

[Nazgul_Hunter]

I started drafting with AVR and I really liked it. In fact, as a new player going from AVR to RTR was tough because RTR was a much harder draft format as a newer player to Limited.

 

[SigmasonicX]

No, no, no guys Avacyn Restored was good because I have to toe the party line which is that it made money so we're gonna make more stuff like that.

Statements like this annoy me because there's no attempt to understand why Avacyn Restored sold well. And from the Blogatog post I posted, it seems that the set sold well throughout its lifespan. Since everyone agrees that the draft was bad, that obviously means that the quality of the draft has less to do with the overall view of a set than people like to think.