A lot of the "hey this is especially for EDH" cards have wound up as obnoxious problems.
They actually had a meeting specifically about backing off that style of card. (Command Zone effects, Gatecrash Primordials.)
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They actually had a meeting specifically about backing off that style of card. (Command Zone effects, Gatecrash Primordials.)
That doesn't work if you play with people outside a regular playgroup. I also don't see how a rule that might encourage the banning of more commanders is a good thing.
"God's Beard!"
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'Tis a sign, my child.
I just know from what I've experienced, when a group runs into a commander/deck that others don't like/lose to all the time, they just hate them out lol. Shrugs, I lost my hinder and spell crumple but oh well, I'll just keep countering it until they stop trying to play it.
Derevi wasn't counterable to begin with so I guess that doesn't change much for me.
Derevi wasn't counterable to begin with so I guess that doesn't change much for me.
Angry Grimace
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I assume GB messed with the post tag when he edited the rest of that out haha
divisionbyzorro
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I basically don't accept the argument that problematic commanders were legitimately held in check by a handful of narrow answer cards. If they need to be banned now, they needed to be banned anyway.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
If you get upset by the change, you probably had the upset coming for being an EDH player.
Basically any change to the EDH rules is going to make someone upset about how well their un-fun combo bullshit deck either works or doesn't work.
Basically any change to the EDH rules is going to make someone upset about how well their un-fun combo bullshit deck either works or doesn't work.
ThLunarian
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As long as you toss them in such a way that they have a healthy number of spins in the air, they're fine as random number generators.
"God's Beard!"
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What really gets me is people who absolutely refuse to roll a single d6 to decide play/draw.
I'm like, dude, the amount of time it took you to decline and pull your fancy pair of dice out of a bag is way more effort than rolling again if we get the same number.
Also people that get pissed when they realize the die I offer only has twos and sixes on it. We rolled the same damn die, I'm not trying to cheat here. Ever heard of a coin flip?
I'm like, dude, the amount of time it took you to decline and pull your fancy pair of dice out of a bag is way more effort than rolling again if we get the same number.
Also people that get pissed when they realize the die I offer only has twos and sixes on it. We rolled the same damn die, I'm not trying to cheat here. Ever heard of a coin flip?
"God's Beard!"
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UG aggro is the new Kiln Fiend deck in DTK
The Technomancer
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Wait are spindowns not random? How? The chance of landing any side should be the same as any other no?
I'll agree that an annoying commander (it doesn't just have to be a degenerate one) doesn't becomes broken sans tuck effects. However they do become harder to manage and a line of interaction against them is removed. I don't feel it makes for a better format and "shame your friends until they don't play that general" has never really been a good solution to EDH problems for a variety of reasons.
If you give them a good toss they should be fine but if you half heartedly roll them or drop em the orientation they start at probably matters way more. It just feels like cheating the roll on a spin down would be easier.
Yes.
People bitch about every rule change. It's as old as the game. I saw this on Twitter today, here is Alan Comer from 1997 bitching about the "new" mulligan rule
http://www.classicdojo.org/bou97/bou.970723ac.txt
http://www.classicdojo.org/bou97/bou.970723ac.txt
"God's Beard!"
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To be fair, the mulligan rule does make or break Bazaar of Baghdad.
The problem is that, in my experience, people don't. Either in fear of the dice rolling off the table or that tossing and spinning it in the air just isn't intuitive to most people. Usually I see people try to gently roll a d20 off from their palm like you would with d6s. Since there isn't a lot of force exerted and a d20 is quite a bit heavier than a d6, it just rolls a small distance, not even a full turn in most cases. The irony is that d20s have to be heavier and bigger than random d20s since they're also used as life counters, which in effect makes them suck as a rng.
Uncharted Realms: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/uncharted-realms/sorins-restoration-2015-03-27
"Sorin's Restoration" or Sorin Totally Saved Ugin All on his Own.
"Sorin's Restoration" or Sorin Totally Saved Ugin All on his Own.
Sorin wakes Ugin up from the hedron cocoon. Ugin says they need Nahiri as well to deal with the Eldrazi. Sorin says she isn't dead but it sounds like something happened to her or between the two of them and won't say where she is. Everyone is going to go to Zendikar.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
It's not a bad piece of art, sort of sweet actually, but Thalia already had badass art
divisionbyzorro
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Everything about that seems like a fail. It's not like the card is in high demand, and the art is awful.
Angry Grimace
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So Nahiri is alive but obviously evil now
Sweet can't wait for the drama /sarcasm
Joe Molotov
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Digging up artifacts out of graveyards is generally frowned upon, in most cultures.
divisionbyzorro
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Another 3-0 in Cube:
I felt terrible about the draft before the first round - I was pretty sure that this pile of Magic cards wasn't going to get anything done, but fortunately I was able to pretty regularly assemble a gameplan. I had one bad mulligan that lost me a game, but that was the only game I lost in the draft. Everybody else had worse decks than me! It felt like nobody at the table knew what they were doing.
I had a really interesting pick in pack three: do you take Jace, the Mind Sculptor or Consecrated Sphinx? I took Sphinx because I already had Entomb/Reanimate and Gifts/Rites, but it physically hurt me to do so.
I was actually trying to record the draft so you guys could laugh at me, but I couldn't get Fraps to cooperate. I'm going to have to play around with it some more.
I felt terrible about the draft before the first round - I was pretty sure that this pile of Magic cards wasn't going to get anything done, but fortunately I was able to pretty regularly assemble a gameplan. I had one bad mulligan that lost me a game, but that was the only game I lost in the draft. Everybody else had worse decks than me! It felt like nobody at the table knew what they were doing.
I had a really interesting pick in pack three: do you take Jace, the Mind Sculptor or Consecrated Sphinx? I took Sphinx because I already had Entomb/Reanimate and Gifts/Rites, but it physically hurt me to do so.
I was actually trying to record the draft so you guys could laugh at me, but I couldn't get Fraps to cooperate. I'm going to have to play around with it some more.
SigmasonicX
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Some interesting details from the latest Latest Developments. Notably, Sarkhan was originally going to be Jund, but they realized that a Jund planeswalker would be hard to cast in this Standard, so they talked to the creative team and had him changed to Temur. Also, they were going to have Lens of Clarity be reprinted in Dragons but decided against it; and Dragon Tempest was originally going to have your opponent's non-fliers enter the battlefield tapped instead of dealing damage. I'm surprised that that is still in red's color pie and not just a one-off thing for Urabrask.
ThLunarian
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I didn't realize that Lens of Clarity helps your Manifest cards until I was recently leafing through some Khans bulk. Nice, clever touch there.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
No, don't use Lens of Clarity!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I was going to ask Maro about how the fuck Zurgo is a printable card in red before he stopped posting on his blog. Zurgo's drawbacks are essentially illusory.
The thing is, he CAN block. The only relevant thing he can't block is Goblin Rabblemaster (who he'd be able to trade for if not for his Ironclaw Orcs clause).
The thing is, he CAN block. The only relevant thing he can't block is Goblin Rabblemaster (who he'd be able to trade for if not for his Ironclaw Orcs clause).
They have been putting 2 powered 1 drops into red for a while now. I'd say that Zurgo is about the same power level as Rakdos Cackler
SigmasonicX
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You know, they did already print a 2/2 haste creature for R with a minor drawback that is often even an upside, which sees a fair amount of play.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
But it's not a 1 drop with haste. It's a blockable, repeatable shock for 2 mana.
MEH.
MEH.
(Less so in say, Modern.)keeblerdrow
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The other downside is that Zurgo is legendary. You can't just go free-wheelin' with 4-of in a deck without a plan for when you draw three of him in a game.
divisionbyzorro
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My first thought was "Cube staple" when I saw him, and not too much beyond that to be honest.
Ashling's Prerogative in says the ability has been Red before Urabrask but likely only part of a symmetrical haste/anti-haste effect.
Speaking of the Legendary drawback, are they ever going to bring Grandeur back? I thought that tested/polled well?
As someone that's looking for value (cards) first and then reps I could see why someone wouldn't care for that format if they didn't think they were above average. I might get reps out of game three after going 0-2 but I'm not getting any return value so it's not worth it. Of course, I don't really think MTGO is good value to start so I don't bother with it. At least if I do poorly at my LGS or with a group of friends I still got some good social time out of the event.
Angry Grimace
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He's a 2/2 that can block and neither Legendary nor the block clause is a terribly serious drawback.
Mountain, Mountain, Mountain, Foundry Street Denizen, Zurgo, Zurgo, Zurgo
Keep or mull
YOU DECIDE
I think I played 4 Isamaru when White Weenie was a thing.
And 4 Jitte obviously.
Congratulations. At least someone is having success with the new cube.
Sure, but Cackler was easier to cast, was immune to several of the premium removal spells of the era (Doom Blade and Ultimate Price), and was a better blocker in late game situations (where it could chump anything when played as a 1/1).
Point is that they have had no problems printing 2 powered 1 drops (with some sort of minor drawback)in Red anymore. The last 3 blocks have had one. It's just something they don't want too many of
Angry Grimace
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Yeah, but those have had more significant drawbacks than this one does. Firedrinker's drawback is insanely shitty against something like Roast, and Cackler can't block at all, whereas Zurgo can profitably block and his Dash ability is probably higher upside than the downsides combined.
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