Become Immense pushes the deck scarily close to playing like the original Shoal version in a number of ways.
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Magic: The Gathering |OT3| Enchantment Under the Siege
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"God's Beard!"
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If I seriously start playing Modern I'm gonna play Grixis Twin, but I don't wanna get banned.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Took the Temur Dragons deck to a 3-1 in the daily. Barely lost to Abzan Control (opponent called it that but it seemed very much to be midrange, lost G3 with him on 3 life and me hoping to topdeck a Stormbreath or a Crater's Claws) and then I went on to beat RDW (I left Atarka in post board and mopped up a ton of dudes when I managed to ramp to it), Ascendancy Tokens (without any Enchantment hate, just Wild Slash and Seismic Rupture), and a second Ascendancy Tokens deck.
I'm surprised how much game the deck has against aggro in game one. Caryatid and Courser are just obnoxious as fuck roadblocks and Savage Knucklebro was my all-star in most games. He's easily the best creature nobody is playing because he has silly color requirements.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're like "we're banning Deceiver Exarch" to try and weaken the deck and technically say that Twin isn't banned.
I'm surprised how much game the deck has against aggro in game one. Caryatid and Courser are just obnoxious as fuck roadblocks and Savage Knucklebro was my all-star in most games. He's easily the best creature nobody is playing because he has silly color requirements.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're like "we're banning Deceiver Exarch" to try and weaken the deck and technically say that Twin isn't banned.
"God's Beard!"
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Knuckleblade is just a better version of the new Surrak.
charlequin
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I would honestly start by plowing through the old Magic Academy column on the mothership: http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtgcom/academy/home That covers the basics enough to get familiar with the terminology and rules of thumb.
Etrian Oddity
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I'll tell you what... I really miss the old Wizards of the Coast forums, before they were destroyed by WotC's social media failure. In my opinion they were among the very best-behaved and intellectual forums on the web. Good times.
Anyways, I'm bumping into a ton of R/W tokens. As in, 4/5 opponents. Is it because the decks are so cheap they flood the casual play? I'd imagine more planeswalkers and dragons are frequent in the higher brackets.
Infinite Stars
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Well, with Game Day a week away, I'm trying to finalize my Deck for it. I learned my lessons from last Game Day(I panicked and slapped together an Abzan deck that was 90% Gain Lands because I wanted to splash blue I thought I'd run it by you guys, as I want it to be a surprise.
Counter on me(GW Counters)
2x Abzan Battle Priest
3x Abzan Falconer
2x Ainok Guide
3x Archetype of Courage
2x Banishing Light
2x Bow of Nylea
3x Citadel Siege
3x Dromoka's Command
2x Elite Scaleguard
1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion
10x Forest
2x Genesis Hydra
3x Hardened Scales
3x Inspiring Call
10x Plains
3x Reap What Is Sown
2x Servant of the Scale
3x Tuskguard Captain
1x Windswept Heath
Sideboard:
1x Banishing Light
2x Daghatar the Adamant
2x Defiant Strike
2x Devouring Light
2x Dragonscale General
2x Gleam of Authority
2x Pressure Point
2x Sandblast
Counter on me(GW Counters)
2x Abzan Battle Priest
3x Abzan Falconer
2x Ainok Guide
3x Archetype of Courage
2x Banishing Light
2x Bow of Nylea
3x Citadel Siege
3x Dromoka's Command
2x Elite Scaleguard
1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion
10x Forest
2x Genesis Hydra
3x Hardened Scales
3x Inspiring Call
10x Plains
3x Reap What Is Sown
2x Servant of the Scale
3x Tuskguard Captain
1x Windswept Heath
Sideboard:
1x Banishing Light
2x Daghatar the Adamant
2x Defiant Strike
2x Devouring Light
2x Dragonscale General
2x Gleam of Authority
2x Pressure Point
2x Sandblast
divisionbyzorro
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Token-based strategies are very good right now, in addition to being relatively inexpensive.
Game 2 of this match from LSV's latest video "Modern Living End Twin" is basically the greatest thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7zZK8v5jno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7zZK8v5jno
"The classic Splinter Twin Deadshot Minotaur lock."
divisionbyzorro
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Ahem. We call her "Maternal Witness."
Please tell me the dream is reality
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Man, even HoFers make rookie mistakes. Chapin with the game lose from putting Taisigur into his hand off of Ajani without revealing it.
divisionbyzorro
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Not at all. You should be held to the same standards on camera or off.
"Ooops, I committed a game loss penalty, but because I'm lucky enough to be at one of the featured matches, I don't actually lose my game. What luck!"
You are held to the same standards.
The camera is merely a tool thats available. Doesn't provide an advantage or disadvantage, it's just a tool. You would still get a warning.
This is a situation where they wouldn't take someone else's testimony to prove it one way or another. It's a specific thing laid out in the IPG. It's not a "he said" "she said" thing. Patrick agrees exactly with what he did, and the penalty for that is a game loss.
But it is, if multiple third parties saw the card and it didn't get mixed into the hand, I've seen this type of thing left as a warning before.
(Accumulated warnings lead to game losses anyway.)
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Man, how does that even happen? Flipping around a card I grab from the library is more habit for me then not, I get tripped up on the few rare effects that don't require me to reveal, since I'm so used to it
divisionbyzorro
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And in this case, the camera is a tool that shows he broke the rules.
You shouldn't get a free pass on breaking the rules just because the camera shows that "it didn't matter" or anything similar.
This exact thing happened in the semifinals of PT DKA; I think it was Finkel who held up game four for something like 20 minutes while they tried to run back the tape. They changed the rule after that specifically to disallow replay because it's incredibly disruptive and not really fair.
A warning is not a free pass.And in this case, the camera is a tool that shows he broke the rules.
You shouldn't get a free pass on breaking the rules just because the camera shows that "it didn't matter" or anything similar.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You have to admit it's not the worst Judge call Chapin has had to face.
(I can't imagine the stream comments missed that joke)
(I can't imagine the stream comments missed that joke)
divisionbyzorro
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1/3 of a game loss is not a game loss. It's basically a free pass. Not an easily abusable one, sure, but it's not at all right for Chapin to get away with it where Joe Schmo on table 14 doesn't just because of where he's sitting.
That isn't how it is in the current version of policy. It'd be wrong to apply it that way here.
"An error that an opponent cant verify the legality of should have its penalty upgraded. These errors involve misplaying hidden information, such as the morph ability or failing to reveal a card to prove that a choice made was a legal one."
It's specifically "the opponent". Not a judge, a camera, or the guy standing behind you because they want all matches to be adjudicated the same.
He might've had a shot with arguing that it wasn't part of their hand since he just set it on top, but there's an official line of "when it touches the other cards" to be considered part of the hand. That'd get super murky if you put in exceptions like "not fully touching" or "not mixed in".
divisionbyzorro
Member
Also, I refuse to watch these things out of order, so all I really know from this is that I have a very awkward moment coming up on the replay that I can look forward to.
divisionbyzorro
Member
Cedric has some very strong opinions about this on Twitter, and if it's what you guys say it is, I can't help but agree with this:
@CedricAPhillips said:
Policy should allow for games to flow to their natural outcome whenever possible. If policy isn't doing that, the policy needs to change.
I don't normally agree w/ Cedric, but he's right that they handled this horribly on coverage. However, I don't think that was a bad thing for the game overall.
I don't normally agree w/ Cedric, but he's right that they handled this horribly on coverage. However, I don't think that was a bad thing for the game overall.
Lol seriously. I went out on a food run for me and my coworkers and come back to this shit.
I even thought about writing Maternal Witness as I was typing it up... But I couldn't remember if that was a common name on here or just between friends/reddit or wherever I had read it lol. Mah bad.
Agreed, that whole thing should have been cut. The head judge made the right call...which sucks because it was such a fucking amazing game up until that point. I agree that the game state was repairable and he did offer to reveal his entire hand...but the head judge had to apply the rules in a black letter manner.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
So Mono Red Aggro is the most popular deck, but they also said it wasn't anywhere near the top tables...
phazedplasma
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That guy playing upside down is making me mad
Allocation e-mails for MM2015 are out
12 cases for Advanced Plus
6 cases for Advanced
3 cases for Core
It's apparently a "lot" more than MM was
If you are a PTQ winner/ don't have a testing team, it's a deck you play because it isn't a deck you need to playtest heavily to have a shot at success.
12 cases for Advanced Plus
6 cases for Advanced
3 cases for Core
It's apparently a "lot" more than MM was
If you are a PTQ winner/ don't have a testing team, it's a deck you play because it isn't a deck you need to playtest heavily to have a shot at success.
One time I accidentally drew four cards with Thirst for Knowledge. I got a game loss. It happens.
You just know there will be a mono red deck in the top 8, because mono red.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Re: MM2015, what does that even mean? How do you even know what "level" a store is?
It's a WoTC classification (WPN level), it depends on how many events you have, how many new players you pull and how many people you get at your events during the year.
For a store to attain an advanced classification, it has to have over 100 unique players, host an event with more than 32 players at least once per year and sign up like 20 new players by getting them dci numbers and a bunch of other things.
More info here!
I think you can look up what a store's level is on their website. Worst case, you can ask the store, they should know what level they're at.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't know what my store has but it sounds like the biggest one. For whatever reason we have like 3 ridiculously popular LGS in our area.
Robdraggoo
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hey magic GAF.
I used to play this game a ton and very competively. a states top 8, regionals top 8, PTQ top 8 and several other top 16s if I recall. I quit playing around 2011 after I sold a set of jace the mind sculptor for about 200.00 and never recovered from that. lol
sold the rest of the collection shortly after.
Even thuogh I dont play anymore I still enjoying watching the Pro tour coverage and Channelfireball.
I was thinking of getting back into it but am worried about the cost. how is standard these days? any singles up to 50 bucks. how has the game changed. same old same old just new cards or has the matchups changed signifaclty.
whats the word on magic these days
I used to play this game a ton and very competively. a states top 8, regionals top 8, PTQ top 8 and several other top 16s if I recall. I quit playing around 2011 after I sold a set of jace the mind sculptor for about 200.00 and never recovered from that. lol
sold the rest of the collection shortly after.
Even thuogh I dont play anymore I still enjoying watching the Pro tour coverage and Channelfireball.
I was thinking of getting back into it but am worried about the cost. how is standard these days? any singles up to 50 bucks. how has the game changed. same old same old just new cards or has the matchups changed signifaclty.
whats the word on magic these days
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