ThatStupidLion
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cheers all!
can't wait. been wanting to go to a draft for a while.
can't wait. been wanting to go to a draft for a while.
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Magic: The Gathering |OT3| Enchantment Under the Siege
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The whole not banning Deathrite thing was stupid. Did they really not ban it because people could still crack it open? Fuck that. The card was a problem. Should have been taken off the table asap. Looks like they at least learned their lesson with Dig and Cruise.
divisionbyzorro
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Especially when you realize that the most cynical explanation was the most likely one for this decision: they wanted to sell packs.
In many ways, I'm surprised they were willing to ban Dig Through Time (although their hand was somewhat forced by just how awful Treasure Cruise was for the format and by how good Dig Through Time was clearly going to be in Twin/Jeskai Ascendancy combo decks).
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
We all agree on DRS, that's for sure. Still sort of wish Dig was allowed for a while longer. Just because goddamn it, it was fun.
"God's Beard!"
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My official banlist recommendations:
Ban:
Blood Moon
Fetchlands
Spellskite
Unban:
Dark Depths
Deathrite Shaman
Dig Through Time
Dread Return
Mental Misstep
A man can dream.
Ban:
Blood Moon
Fetchlands
Spellskite
Unban:
Dark Depths
Deathrite Shaman
Dig Through Time
Dread Return
Mental Misstep
A man can dream.
They need to figure out how to make effects like that not break certain strategies in half
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I feel like Think Twice is about as powerful as card draw can be without being completely fucked. Which is sort of lame,because it's so much fun, but when you can do it, why do anything else?
I dunno. I'm back on Infect and UWR Geist in modern since the great Podpacolyps of 2014. Modern is a little sadder now that my Kitchen Finks and Restos are sitting dormant.
I dunno. I'm back on Infect and UWR Geist in modern since the great Podpacolyps of 2014. Modern is a little sadder now that my Kitchen Finks and Restos are sitting dormant.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Think Twice is sweet. Modern Miracles enabler with Noxious Revival!
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I know WotC can't do it, but you can't tell me that having one modern season with no banned or restricted wouldn't lead to the craziest, coolest shit ever.
Basically, Modern is awful. I'd rather draft Homelands/Fallen Empires.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";160119475]Big green creatures are king. Dragons are great if you can't get green cards. Any sort of removal is good. Exploit and bolster are good, but don't overvalue synergy. Pick things that can fly. Have fun.[/QUOTE]
I'm coming around now. Green is one of the worse colours, if not the worst. Every colour has a dozen combat tricks and removal and the only impressive green creature at common is the elk. Otherwise you're staring down at 2/4s and 2/5s with deathtouch all day. Like, dang, 2/5 deathtouch for four mana is crazy impressive. AND black has access to a one mana instant to make all their other creatures Ukud Cobras. Seriously, that card has impressed me each time.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";160119475]Big green creatures are king. Dragons are great if you can't get green cards. Any sort of removal is good. Exploit and bolster are good, but don't overvalue synergy. Pick things that can fly. Have fun.[/QUOTE]
I'm coming around now. Green is one of the worse colours, if not the worst. Every colour has a dozen combat tricks and removal and the only impressive green creature at common is the elk. Otherwise you're staring down at 2/4s and 2/5s with deathtouch all day. Like, dang, 2/5 deathtouch for four mana is crazy impressive. AND black has access to a one mana instant to make all their other creatures Ukud Cobras. Seriously, that card has impressed me each time.
phazedplasma
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cmon bro, kitchen finks and anafenza, make the dream happen
I actually hate Think Twice- I might like it a bit more, though, if it were in a format where a semi-hard counter like Mana Leak or Silumgar's Scorn didn't exist.
"God's Beard!"
Member
So assuming the top 8 has 32 copies of Mental Misstep, which combo deck is most likely to win?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I ain't Susan Boyle.
Okay, so we're just enemies now. Meet me by the flagpole at lunch.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";160123351]So assuming the top 8 has 32 copies of Mental Misstep, which combo deck is most likely to win?[/QUOTE]
UR Infect with Blazing Shoal, natch
If you're drafting Dragons of Tarkir it's more like a traditional draft than Khans was, so it's a better place to jump in if you've never drafted.
General Drafting Tips:
- Prioritize removal (cards that get rid of creatures) and bombs (cards that can win games all by themselves, like Necromaster Dragon, for example)
- Make sure you have a good mana curve for your creatures. You don't want too many cheap creatures, but you also don't want too many expensive creatures. Most of your creatures should fall into the 2-mana to 4-mana range.
- Try to stick to 2 colors. Sometimes it's better to take a middling on-color card than a great off-color card; especially in the later packs. That said...
- Don't be afraid to change colors in the first pack if one color is clearly more open than the others. Even if you get a really cool black rare for your first pick, for example, if you keep getting passed lots of good white cards and not many good black cards, it's probably a good idea to move into white instead.
- Don't take a card just because it's rare if it's not good in your deck. If you need it for your collection (or it's worth a lot of money) then that's fine, but generally, you'll be better served by ignoring rarity and just picking the best card for your draft deck.
- This is a bit trickier, but try to keep track of cards that you pass that you might end up playing against and which player you think is likely to pick them. That way, when you play that player you know what to play around.
- When evaluating cards don't just think in terms of best-case scenario. Ask yourself how good the card is when you're in a losing position, a winning position or in a stalemate. You'll want more cards that are good at breaking stalemates and leveling out losing positions than cards that are good if you're already ahead.
- Finally, cards that gain life and do nothing else are usually pretty bad. Sometimes they're okay in the right deck and the right match up, but as a beginner, it's best to just avoid them altogether.
Dragons of Tarkir Specific Drafting tips
- When determining your creature curve, count morphs as 3-cost creatures (unless they cost less than 3 to play unmorphed; then you can count them as their regular cost).
- Each dragon-clan is focused on an ally color pair (White-Blue, Blue-Black, Black-Red, Red-Green and Green-White). Try to stick to one of those color combinations if you can. It's possible to draft enemy color decks, but it's a lot harder to do so and you potentially miss out on some bombs (all of the gold cards are ally-colored in the first 2 packs).
- If you want to play a more controlling deck, it's important to have good blockers early. Cheap creatures with 3 or more toughness are great because of morph. They can typically block profitably or stall early in the game.
- There's a design rule that a morph that flips over for less than 5 mana will never beat another morph in a fight; they'll always either trade or bounce off of each other. Always pay attention to the amount of available mana your opponent has when dealing with their morphed creatures.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Might as well go all in and run a season of all sets legal, no banned/reserved list, no card number limit and reduce the minimum constructed deck size to 40 cards.
"God's Beard!"
Member
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
You had me until the unicorns made of marshmellow fluff. Your science went too far, Pop.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Wait, level 2 meta deck:
12 Ancestral Recall
12 Black Lotus
1 Yawgmoth's Will
3 Fireball
6 Force of Will
6 Leyline of Anticipation
Turn zero kill every game.
12 Ancestral Recall
12 Black Lotus
1 Yawgmoth's Will
3 Fireball
6 Force of Will
6 Leyline of Anticipation
Turn zero kill every game.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Also I said all sets legal so why would you use Black Lotus instead of the superior/cheaper Blacker Lotus from Unglued?
"God's Beard!"
Member
12 Ancestral Recall
12 Black Lotus
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Wipe Away
2 Banefire
6 Force of Will
6 Leyline of Anticipation
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";160121569]My official banlist recommendations:
Ban:
Blood Moon
Fetchlands
Spellskite
Unban:
Dark Depths
Deathrite Shaman
Dig Through Time
Dread Return
Mental Misstep
A man can dream.[/QUOTE]
I'm ok with a Blood Moon ban, although it would be rough for the fringe monored decks. However, banning Spellskite without banning Splinter Twin is just wrong.
Ban:
Blood Moon
Fetchlands
Spellskite
Unban:
Dark Depths
Deathrite Shaman
Dig Through Time
Dread Return
Mental Misstep
A man can dream.[/QUOTE]
I'm ok with a Blood Moon ban, although it would be rough for the fringe monored decks. However, banning Spellskite without banning Splinter Twin is just wrong.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
everyone always says that Shoal would break modern if it was back again. Are there things now that could stop Shoal from being ridic?
"God's Beard!"
Member
Gaddock Teeg
Nah, same issues- it's a relatively reliable T2/T3 kill.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";160121569]My official banlist recommendations:
Ban:
Blood Moon
Fetchlands
Spellskite
Unban:
Dark Depths
Deathrite Shaman
Dig Through Time
Dread Return
Mental Misstep
A man can dream.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, keep your breath held for that Dread Return unban. I legitimately think Jace, the Mind Sculptor should be unbanned. Its less oppressive than Twin is right now.
Ban:
Blood Moon
Fetchlands
Spellskite
Unban:
Dark Depths
Deathrite Shaman
Dig Through Time
Dread Return
Mental Misstep
A man can dream.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, keep your breath held for that Dread Return unban. I legitimately think Jace, the Mind Sculptor should be unbanned. Its less oppressive than Twin is right now.
StarCity is posting Modern States lists, and people on Twitter have already found some fun ones
Here is a Protean Hulk combo deck that I can't understand
Here is a Puresteel Paladen Storm deck that is everything I love about Magic
Batwing Brume is one way to deal with Twin that I never thought of, lol
Here is a Protean Hulk combo deck that I can't understand
Here is a Puresteel Paladen Storm deck that is everything I love about Magic
Batwing Brume is one way to deal with Twin that I never thought of, lol
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Cards like Batwing Brume are why you should always force a Twin player to play out their combo on MTGO.
Just by looking at the decklist, it looks like the game plan is to get a protean hulk, a mog fanatic and a revillark into your graveyard. The use use Goroyo's Footsteps to reanimate the hulk and sac it at end of turn.
When you sacrifice hulk, you can get a 5 drop (revillark or body double) and a 1 drop (viscera seer or fanatic). Then you use Seer to sacrifice Reveillark to get back a body double (copying reveillark) and a mogg fanatic (or another body double copying mogg fanatic or viscera seer). Then you sac the mogg fanatic for 1 damage to your opponent and sac the reveillark to the vicera seer to continue the loop.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
StarCity is posting Modern States lists, and people on Twitter have already found some fun ones
Here is a Protean Hulk combo deck that I can't understand
Here is a Puresteel Paladen Storm deck that is everything I love about Magic
Batwing Brume is one way to deal with Twin that I never thought of, lol
Seems like you use all the looting effects to play Hulk either from the GY or with Footsteps and use the Lark and Fanatic to get infinite damage. It also looks certifiably insane.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";160126582]12 Ancestral Recall
12 Black Lotus
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Wipe Away
2 Banefire
6 Force of Will
6 Leyline of Anticipation[/QUOTE]The problem is, they're likely to have multiple leylines to ensure they hit them in the opening hand, so you'll need multiple wipe aways. I think it makes more sense to just find a damage spell that doesn't target than it is to put in removal for the leylines. Something like Exanguinate.
12 Black Lotus
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Wipe Away
2 Banefire
6 Force of Will
6 Leyline of Anticipation[/QUOTE]The problem is, they're likely to have multiple leylines to ensure they hit them in the opening hand, so you'll need multiple wipe aways. I think it makes more sense to just find a damage spell that doesn't target than it is to put in removal for the leylines. Something like Exanguinate.
Yeah, I totally love this deck.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
How the fuck did control decks ever win when Thrun was a legal card
By attaching Swords of Feast and Famine to Squadron Hawks, and then playing Gideon Jura
And then Liliana was a thing by the time those cards rotated
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Checks out
Deck makes much more sense if you were familiar with Hulk Flash for the 1 brief period it was legal in.
Twinning End perfectly illustrates why I hate Twin being a slottable card.
I think you and I are the only ones on this forum that want Twin banned.
I also said DRS was the correct ban when BBE took the hit and nobody in my circles believed me until it finally happened and they were like 'Yeah that card was dumb.'
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Ban Twin; unban Jace
divisionbyzorro
Member
You know what's sad?
I've seen all of these decks before; or at least, I've seen their viability debated on forums.
I've seen all of these decks before; or at least, I've seen their viability debated on forums.
It was obviously the real culprit and they banned BBE anyway.
divisionbyzorro
Member
I know people who still think DRS should be unbanned. It's not as obvious as it should be to some.
Please say they don't work for WotC.
Infinite Stars
Member
Since everyone seems to be discussing Twin, I have a dumb question/thought: why not just ban the creatures that work well with Twin IE ones with Flash? I mean, I say this partially because I kind of want to make a W/R Splinter Twin deck with my main bro Midnight Guard, and maybe forcing your opponent to have to drop the combo over 2 turns would reduce it's power? IDK, I'm just throwing out ideas.
Because that means that they'd have to avoid printing cards like that ever again, even though they're fine in Standard. It's better to ban the problem card than it is to ban the cards it works with. It'd be like banning the fetches because Deathrite Shaman is too good with them.
I wish you could've listened to the discussions I've had about it. I mean, I understand that they didn't want to ban it then because it was selling packs of RTR but c'mon. Birds of Paradise with a better Grim Lavamancer ability that randomly hoses creature reanimation and gains you life for G/B.
divisionbyzorro
Member
I mean, one of them is an L1, but...not, they don't work for WotC.
The aforementioned players would retort "Yeah, that's just really efficient. You shouldn't ban creatures just because they're really efficient. It's a one-drop; there's no way it's banworthy!"
I wouldn't have a problem with W/R twin existing if there was a way to ban current blue flash creatures that combo with twin and keep from printing them in the future. My biggest problem with U/R Twin is that it's the best overall deck and really has no bad matchups. Postboard any deck that seems problematic can be shut down when Twin turns into UR Moon Control.
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