http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/species-origins-part-2-2015-06-29
Seems white is go wide/pump spells
Seems white is go wide/pump spells
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Magic: the Gathering |OT4| Izzet Me; Izzet You? A Love Story
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's okay in MM but it seems way too ambitious for a core set.
I think it has reduced the longevity of many retail limited formats because there really aren't that many viable decks outside the ten archetypes per set and after a while, each draft is just an exercise in "how good a version of archetype X will I get?". They throw in some offbeat build around cards from time to time (Goblin Slide et al.) but they are almost always so awkward to use that your win percentage in the long run will be higher if you avoid those cards like the plague.
I'm perfectly ok with Rift/Slide being disembowled with a rusty hatchet as far as constructed-playable cards go.
10 archetypes is ridiculous potential variety. Compare to something like Scars of Mirrodin limited, which had maybe four archetypes (with two really pushed) but still ended up with little freedom to build decks outside those archetypes.
Having more archetypes not only means more paths already thought up by the designers, it means there aren't as many cards solely dedicated to one archetype because there are less cards per archetype and they need to be flexible.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Infect is a horrible mechanic because its dumb and parasitic. Not to mention its interaction with other, nominally fair cards is either non-existent or manages to break shit. I also don't think poison counters are actually interesting at all, particularly not when they just replace damage with counters, i.e. you can get 10 counters at once if the creature has 10 power.
Its better than Cascade, at least. I don't know who in the fuck thought that was a good idea.
Its better than Cascade, at least. I don't know who in the fuck thought that was a good idea.
"God's Beard!"
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You hate all the fun cards.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I forgot MM2015 was still going on MODO. I might have like one left in me.
The issue is less the number of archetypes but rather how the reward cards are empathized and distributed (plus the multicolor rewards). In Innistrad and Rise of the Eldrazi, the archetypes are there if you see them but in later sets the cards SCREAM the archetypes to you which encourages more drafting on rails. That plus the "sideways" cards being almost always marginal to bad means I feel formats get solved quicker. It might be a gameplay thing though. Lorwyn is still one of my favorite draft formats and it was very linear. I think the quality of the gameplay really helped it in my eyes though.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
There's 2 extra rares and 1 extra Mythic.
Didn't realize. I haven't been paying attention to the crunch; too busy with other things.
I didn't either, Sam tweeted it out.
divisionbyzorro
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First: I really like the Thopter tribal theme in this set. It really appeals to me, and I'm actually starting to get a little interested in drafting this set. But come on Wizards. I don't expect you to make every rare a constructed powerhouse, but these are Chandra's parents - important characters in the story, I'm sure. They do something kinda cool, but not super powered. Then you print a random blue uncommon that is shockingly similar...
I'm not fussed about the "red rare" being similar to the "blue uncommon;" I'm fussed about the "red Legend" being so similar to the "blue uncommon." It seems like a mistake.
I'm not fussed about the "red rare" being similar to the "blue uncommon;" I'm fussed about the "red Legend" being so similar to the "blue uncommon." It seems like a mistake.
divisionbyzorro
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I mean, the Splicers in Scars were like that; different rarities, all making 3/3s, but with different CMCs and granting different abilities. It's totally okay to have some level of design symmetry across rarities, but when your Legendary Creature is realistically comparable to an uncommon the same set, that's a mistake.
Just make them 3RR and make 3 thopters. Then you've got a Siege-Gang Commander throwback and it's cool again.
That being said, I want Whirler Rogue in my C/Ube so bad...
Just make them 3RR and make 3 thopters. Then you've got a Siege-Gang Commander throwback and it's cool again.
That being said, I want Whirler Rogue in my C/Ube so bad...
charlequin
Banned
Yep. Like, I don't think blue should be locked out of it completely (like, Dralnu, Lich Lord is a totally reasonable card, and there's room for stuff like Spelltwine) but I like it being a thing where red has the better version and blue the worse one, like the reverse of looting or stealing.
lol playing instants and sorceries for free
I can't decide if it's a flavor fail that it could target itself without the non-Elf clause, or if it's a flavor win that the fascist elves are hypocritical about their beauty standards.
I mean, the fact that Provoke doesn't work against creatures with tap abilities is the whole reason they invented fight in the first place.
Would need to be red/white, can't well have red locking out non-tap abilities as a random side effect of a card like this.
We've seen this a few times. Odric, Master Tactician has (essentially) unmarked Battalion, Ajani's Chosen has (basically) unmarked constellation, etc.
On Landfall specifically, Courser of Kruphix, Primeval Bounty, Sporemound, Stone-Seeder Hierophant, and Vinelasher Kudzu already all have unmarked Landfall.
It actually works really well in Theros too, and they didn't do it in Tarkir block due to the gold wackiness. It has two things that make it harder to pull off in a set like Origins: it works less well when the set doesn't have enough going on (which will be true in any core set) and it works less well when the archetypes have nothing whatsoever to do with each other (which is kind of a unique problem for Origins because of its scattershot ten-planes concept.)
R.I.P. Onslaught/Legions block constructed. :
ours out forty::divisionbyzorro
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How about this then:
Blind Rage (2R)
Instant
Untap target creature. Until end of turn, only you may activate abilities of that creature, and you decide how it attacks.
Same effect, but plays more as a riff on Threaten.
Totally. I was thinking the same thing about making it more SGC, though I'm not complaining, I really like the Nalaars at 2RR for my Cube (still running SGC). Whirler Rogue is a very really possibility for me as well at 450.
charlequin
Banned
That's kind of neat.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Sigil of the Empty Throne is a reprint. That is dumb as fuck with Pharika.
Also there's a dumb 7/7 robot that does 7 damage to a creature when it attacks.
Also there's a dumb 7/7 robot that does 7 damage to a creature when it attacks.
It's on cast, doesn't work.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
G/W enchantments is definitely going to be a thing in constructed.
SigmasonicX
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Mage-Ring Responder (7)
Artifact Creature - Golem R
Mage-Ring Responder doesn't untap during your untap step
(7): Untap Mage-Ring Responder
Whenever Mage-Ring Responder attacks, it deals 7 damage to target creature defending player controls
7/7
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Yeah I noticed that later. Oh well.
charlequin
Banned
Seems nutty for the next 3 months lol.
For those that don't know.
It's cute how this is a reprint that works well for this set since it's appropriate for one plane (Bant) setting-wise, but slots into a different plane's draft archetype.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Man, I just can't get Liliana, HH to do anything :-(
- Nissa
- Gideon
- Chandra
- Liliana
- Jace
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Transhuman
Unconfirmed Member
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";170648756]Man, I just can't get Liliana, HH to do anything :-(
Worst to best?
- Nissa
- Gideon
- Chandra
- Liliana
- Jace
Worst to best?
"God's Beard!"
Member
Apparently Wizards fired Peter Mohrbacher and now I'm sad. He's the first magic artist I ever met back before I got back into the game. I got to chat with him at an art show a while back and he was super awesome and helpful. The dude puts out a ton of content for the art community. I still use one of his artist proof Islands as a good luck charm in all my blue decks despite it not being tournament legal.
Also, Horizon Canopy is 70 bucks.
Also, Horizon Canopy is 70 bucks.
the trolls
That Whirler Rogue looks rather frightening in limited. You get four power and toughness and the ability to make any creature unblockable for four mana. Never mind the flying tokens or synergy with other cards in the set.First: I really like the Thopter tribal theme in this set. It really appeals to me, and I'm actually starting to get a little interested in drafting this set. But come on Wizards. I don't expect you to make every rare a constructed powerhouse, but these are Chandra's parents - important characters in the story, I'm sure. They do something kinda cool, but not super powered. Then you print a random blue uncommon that is shockingly similar...
I'm not fussed about the "red rare" being similar to the "blue uncommon;" I'm fussed about the "red Legend" being so similar to the "blue uncommon." It seems like a mistake.
It reminds me of Talrand's Invocation, and that's not a good thing.
divisionbyzorro
Member
It's definitely a "Mythic Uncommon." There will be a lot of packs where that's the best card in the pack by a mile. Like I said - I'm really excited to put it in my C/Ube.
blindrocket
Member
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";170652770]Apparently Wizards fired Peter Mohrbacher and now I'm sad. He's the first magic artist I ever met back before I got back into the game. I got to chat with him at an art show a while back and he was super awesome and helpful. The dude puts out a ton of content for the art community. I still use one of his artist proof Islands as a good luck charm in all my blue decks despite it not being tournament legal.
Also, Horizon Canopy is 70 bucks.
the trolls[/QUOTE]
Wow, any idea why? He seemed really involved.
Also, Horizon Canopy is 70 bucks.
the trolls[/QUOTE]
Wow, any idea why? He seemed really involved.
divisionbyzorro
Member
RIP assorted second land cycle dreams.
Why it's 5 mana + sac? This doesn't seems the best incentive to go mono or twocolored.
I still believe in legendary Plateau
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