Black border or basic basic I guess could be what he was going for since they are like "Island-Swamp"
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Magic: the Gathering |OT4| Izzet Me; Izzet You? A Love Story
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Black border or basic basic I guess could be what he was going for since they are like "Island-Swamp"
charlequin
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It's hilarious to me that Mark Rosewater's kept the Forbidden mechanic close to his chest for years and years and then Forsythe just spills it out to some rando who started playing two weeks ago and asked a question about Yu-Gi-Oh.
It does honestly kind of sound like probably a fundamentally bad idea, but, like, it was Avacyn Restored so could you really make it any worse?
idgi
It does honestly kind of sound like probably a fundamentally bad idea, but, like, it was Avacyn Restored so could you really make it any worse?
idgi
shrapnelmagnet
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It's not immediately clear what it means unless you're a native English speaker and even then, it's a toss up. And sure, I imagine most of the nicknamed cycles are the same, but that just means that with this even more esoteric one, it's a guarantee you have to explain it at some point in your life. Then you and whoever you're explaining it to will roll their eyes and move on, wishing it had a more mechanically relevant name.
I also just think it looks and sounds dumb.
Obviously not a huge deal and I don't care THAT much, I'm just not looking forward to seeing it in my life since it's obviously not going away
I listen to a fair bit of Magic podcasts and I know there are going to be a bunch of discussions about it this week and next. Whatevs, though.SigmasonicX
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What forbidden was
I don't know, it sounds kind of interesting. Like maybe if you got out a forbidden enabler, then everything in the forbidden zone would shuffle into your deck. EDIT: Actually, hand makes more sense, otherwise having the max number of forbidden cards would be a bad decision.
charlequin
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I find this idea that it's important that slang make immediate sense in other languages bizarre. Magic is a game made by English speakers, sold to an audience primarily of English speakers (whether first or second language.) Every term in Magic is invented by English speakers.
Everything about this name is less obscure and easier to remember than any of the really specific Magic-only slang like "mise," "barn," "Junk," etc.
I'd certainly believe ther could be some variant of this concept that would work (which is certainly why Rosewater thought he could fix it up eventually.) I don't think the version they described sounds good at all, because the idea of working hard to just get a set of cards somewhere random in your deck is basically miserable.
shrapnelmagnet
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That's a fair point. I guess I didn't mean that this is the most important aspect, just that its odd name will require to you to explain it somebody at some point - EFL or not. For example, the first time I read it somewhere, I honestly didn't get it. I just moved past it and it eventually came to me when I pondered the cards more closely.
Explaining the "It takes two..." is miserable in my mind. Besides, as has been pointed out... it's technically 3 lands.
If I ever have to talk about them in person, I will not be using the term Tangolands - I'll simply say the BFZ Duals or something. Or over-explain the land with no attempt at shortening them. My own personal protest, lol
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Keep plucking that chicken.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
What does Junk mean?
Shocklands?
What is morph?
Sultai is what again?
Every aspect of Magic takes explaining to people who aren't familiar with its own internal lexicon.
Shocklands?
What is morph?
Sultai is what again?
Every aspect of Magic takes explaining to people who aren't familiar with its own internal lexicon.
Angry Grimace
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fuck it just call them "zenduals" or something you'll never mistake what those are
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Shocklands are even somewhat worse, when you think about it.
"So, these deal 2 damage to you. Hence shocklands."
"Okay. But why 'shock'?"
"Oh, because in Magic there is a spell called 'Shock' that deals you two damage."
"Ok. Neat."
"So, these deal 2 damage to you. Hence shocklands."
"Okay. But why 'shock'?"
"Oh, because in Magic there is a spell called 'Shock' that deals you two damage."
"Ok. Neat."
Angry Grimace
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Dude none of them make any sense without context the same way no shorthand that exists associated with the game makes any sense. People still say "dies to doom blade" all the time even though Doom Blade isn't legal a lot of the time (e.g. right now)
It doesn't even make a difference, there are lots of dual lands that nobody cares about outside standard and these are one such cycle.
It doesn't even make a difference, there are lots of dual lands that nobody cares about outside standard and these are one such cycle.
charlequin
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well except that zen is a specific set which they weren't in
Angry Grimace
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You're not gonna mistake them for refuges
By the metrics you guys are using every single name you guys have suggested is worse by a lot than "zenduals" (which isn't even good) because at least they are dual lands on the plane of Zendikar. All the other ones you guys are coming up with make no logical sense unless you already know backstory on why those names have those lands, in which case the actual name you are using for them is completely meaningless.
The same way it is meaningless now. Just call them anything, it doesn't matter. All of the proposed names are bad, although nothing could be worse than "BB-Lands"
charlequin
Banned
this also isn't the naming strategy that's used to refer to literally any set of dual lands that have ever been printed
Angry Grimace
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Again, there isn't a convenient one so y'all will have to deal with a non-convenient one. I suggest ElectricBoogalooLands. Trust me, it totally makes sense once its explained to you!
I mean, "tangolands" isn't even vaguely descriptive and "BB-Lands" is just atrocious.
Junk is just the worst.
Except Team America /trollface
Can't we just call them tapped dual lands or inferior dual lands? Who plays basics? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
shrapnelmagnet
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You're not wrong, haha
But- I don't mind explaining the aspects of Magic that you've used as examples (or most examples of Magic for that matter). When I describe an aspect of Magic that starts with, "Well, do you know the phrase 'it takes two to tango'?"... That's an arbitrary but still meaningful step too far*.
(with regards to just avoiding the colloquial shorthand if I can)
CeruleanSilver
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Super nice! Thank you.
Ob Nixilis looks super goofy, I love it. Guy's a true baller
well, Gideon looks goofy too with his hilarious sideburns
divisionbyzorro
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Re: Tangolands:
1) Only the most pedantic would say the name is inaccurate. "It takes two to tango." "It takes two (basics) to use this land (immediately)." If this term is "inaccurate," the term "shocklands" is inaccurate because the lands don't always shock you, "fetchlands" is confusing because it could also include Evolving Wilds and/or the Panoramas, and "filterlands" could refer to one of two different cycles!
2) Yes, some players will need to have the term explained to them. But that's true of many nicknames; it's not a good enough reason on its own to discount the nickname. What's great about this one is how clever it is if you do get the reference. It makes you smile when you see it.
3) Take your game designer hat off. This isn't about coming up with a naming scheme that best fits the card from a mechanical standpoint and is the most quickly grokable and catches the widest subset of the audience. You don't need to come up with some sort of awkward nickname that specifically outlines the mechanic on the card in the most obvious way - this is a community problem, not a game design problem.
4) The community *loves* simple, clever nicknames, and jumps on board when a good one comes up. The most obvious one is "Bob," which similarly requires outside knowledge to understand, but there are loads of examples. The train has started rolling. People are on board. Get on board or get out of the way. Choo choo!!
1) Only the most pedantic would say the name is inaccurate. "It takes two to tango." "It takes two (basics) to use this land (immediately)." If this term is "inaccurate," the term "shocklands" is inaccurate because the lands don't always shock you, "fetchlands" is confusing because it could also include Evolving Wilds and/or the Panoramas, and "filterlands" could refer to one of two different cycles!
2) Yes, some players will need to have the term explained to them. But that's true of many nicknames; it's not a good enough reason on its own to discount the nickname. What's great about this one is how clever it is if you do get the reference. It makes you smile when you see it.
3) Take your game designer hat off. This isn't about coming up with a naming scheme that best fits the card from a mechanical standpoint and is the most quickly grokable and catches the widest subset of the audience. You don't need to come up with some sort of awkward nickname that specifically outlines the mechanic on the card in the most obvious way - this is a community problem, not a game design problem.
4) The community *loves* simple, clever nicknames, and jumps on board when a good one comes up. The most obvious one is "Bob," which similarly requires outside knowledge to understand, but there are loads of examples. The train has started rolling. People are on board. Get on board or get out of the way. Choo choo!!
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Plus, it's just a fucking nickname. It matters less than what I had for breakfast.
Grits, by the way.
Grits, by the way.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I thought we settled on Gritlands?
I LIKE it. This is what its going to be guys, no more discussion.
Also a lot easier to explain than tangolands
"You see, this guys favorite fruit was mangos, so, mangolands"
"Oh, I see, that makes a lot of sense, cool! I like mangos too!"
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I'll call them crablands. Because I tap them to cast crabs. ¯\_(ツ
No, you tapped that and got crabs. Big difference.
:"Lag" has an inherently bad connotation and if you say that to any newer.less invested player, they will assume these new lands are actively bad. If you call them "Slow"lands or "Lag"lands, you might as well call them "PunchtotheGenitals"land or "InjectsCancerintoyourEyes"lands for all the good it will do.
SigmasonicX
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"Laglands" makes me think of the guildgates that enter tapped no matter what, or perhaps the lands that tap for one color and give a spell effect when they enter but enter tapped that were in Zendikar and will likely have equivalents in this block.
MaRo's interviewitus spreads to Matt Cavotta in his interview with Vorthos
Jace and Jori En encounter Ulamog worshipers and Ulamog himself, Jace keeps imagining himself dying, and Jace alters Jori's mind to make her go back and warn everyone about Ulamog while he goes ahead to the Eye of Ugin. It is disappointing that with this focus on the main story, potentially interesting things like the cultists are relegated to one-off threats that don't mean anything. Like if this was the Theros block, we'd have a story from the perspective of someone who joins the cult only to be sacrificed or something.
MaRo's interviewitus spreads to Matt Cavotta in his interview with Vorthos
Jace and Jori En encounter Ulamog worshipers and Ulamog himself, Jace keeps imagining himself dying, and Jace alters Jori's mind to make her go back and warn everyone about Ulamog while he goes ahead to the Eye of Ugin. It is disappointing that with this focus on the main story, potentially interesting things like the cultists are relegated to one-off threats that don't mean anything. Like if this was the Theros block, we'd have a story from the perspective of someone who joins the cult only to be sacrificed or something.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Disappointing but not particularly surprising. The writing for this sort of thing was on the wall when the direction of Origins became clear
Agreed. And people wonder why I don't like the Weatherlight storyline.
SigmasonicX
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It appears that Emrakul and Kozilek peaced out and moved on to other planes (though the latter at least left behind some feelers), with only Ulamog sticking around on Zendikar.
Angry Grimace
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All of these problems could be solved if literally any of these planeswalkers learned how to cast Oblivion Ring
Logically you'd go with slowlands if the Scars lands were fastlands. It was already used for the Kamigawa lands that didn't untap if you got colored mana off them (which were also called laglands, since they didn't untap for a turn, but those aren't used in anything).
Logically you'd go with slowlands if the Scars lands were fastlands. It was already used for the Kamigawa lands that didn't untap if you got colored mana off them (which were also called laglands, since they didn't untap for a turn, but those aren't used in anything).
Ah I see, well I suppose trying to do another emrakul in this set would have been difficult anyway.
Angry Grimace
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Flipjace being $40 is just
Angry Grimace
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That's how much Nissa, Worldwaker was last year too though. They are following a very similar trajectory, actually. Jace hasn't *actually* bombed any tournaments yet, he just costs a lot for reasons, the same ones I assume guided Worldwaker.
My buddy goes off on Wil Wheaton at PAX.
If nothing else, it's cathartic.
Jace has shown up a bit in Modern/Legacy - he won't drop as far as Nissa.
If nothing else, it's cathartic.
Jace has shown up a bit in Modern/Legacy - he won't drop as far as Nissa.
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