charlequin
Banned
Dollars to donuts they revisit Phyrexia as soon as the urgent Eldrazi threads are tied off, esp. given that our next block is set on an artifact-themed plane.
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Magic: the Gathering - Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Blue's Clues
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Dollars to donuts they revisit Phyrexia as soon as the urgent Eldrazi threads are tied off, esp. given that our next block is set on an artifact-themed plane.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
They can't go phyrexia without elspeth.
charlequin
Banned
Why not? They're 100% not going to get rid of Phyrexia the next time they turn up. Just from a timing standpoint it makes sense for them to do something to bring them back to the fore before they get around to Theros 2.
Are they going back to Theros? It seemed to me that it was the least popular new plane since Lorywn.
Pretty sure Theros did well. Even if BotG and JtN sucked.
I would agree if they were going to resolve New Phyrexia. I believe they can go there without her though.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
If we assume reasonable amounts between, then that'd be at the least 4 years off. Not to mention that going directly from madness inversion to phyrexia inversion is a bit too similar in tone.
charlequin
Banned
In the planar era, here is the list of settings that were too unpopular to return to: Kamigawa, Lorwyn. Here is the list of settings that were only popular enough to be a toss-up: Alara. That's it. Every other plane setting is going to get a return.
They're not going to wait 4 years between bringing Elspeth back and throwing her at Phyrexia again if that's what you mean.
SigmasonicX
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I love how they took Crovax, a character who was basically written in all caps to be "BLACK CHARACTER WHO IS NOT EVIL", and they made him evil because edge.
Also, it's annoyingly obtuse trying to find the actual details of the story in one place. Best place I found was a comment in this Reddit post that links to MTG Salvation topics.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I was going 2 years for return to theros and 2 years from there.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
My opinion on Infect: if printing a 1/1 for G with your mechanic on it is possibly one of the most busted creatures in Modern and Legacy you need to rethink your mechanic.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
they wouldn't with the new unified art style. May be better like that.
charlequin
Banned
Yep. They play out Crovax's story in a way that makes absolutely no sense (he just turns into a vampire and then is evil forever because... why?), they kill Mirri right away (why would you kill the first officer character designed to play off the captain?), they make Ertai a villain in a way that makes Gerrard a monster and completely ignores his presumptive character arc (and starts a long, bad trend of poorly-done Phyrexianization plotlines), they give Hanna a bizarre ending... just totally incoherent from beginning to end.
Also they never actually resolved any of the plot hooks about the Legacy artifacts (except inasmuch as they pull out a deus ex machina god laser in the last five minutes) so all that hinting about Gerrard's hourglass pendant was wasted!
Yeah I think it's more likely that they get right back to the Phyrexian plotline after Theros 2 specifically to get Elspeth involved in it.
The art's pretty variable over the whole Weatherlight saga TBH. They're all better than the trashheap people-from-under-the-green-sun era of Odyssey through Kamigawa but that's not any kind of high standard.
the one thing jesse mason is most right about is that mirage has the best art actually
Lorwyn is actually a great candidate for a return in a vacuum, it's sadly just a victim of problematic game design plus cutesy stuff being a bad demographic fit with their target audience. Kamigawa is a terribly-designed plane and there's absolutely no reason to go back to it specifically when they could come up with a better-thought-out Japanese plane from scratch instead.
Hey bucko this is the best scene in the entire Apocalypse novel (besides like Tsabo Tavoc getting FUCKED UP by Karn (or maybe that was the Planeshift novel)).
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Not if they make phyrexians in Kaladesh.
Kaladesh and Aether Revolt are
- Setting up the plane and what it is like
- Creating a threat/setup for next time they return
- Not Phyrexians
I could be wrong. Artifact heavy block without Karn? I doubt it.
Karn was there every time.
- Antiquities - I bet Urza had him in the back of his mind at the end
- Urza's Saga - All up ins brehs, origin story
- Mirrodin - Couldn't get in until Memnarch was ded lol
- Scars of Mirrodin - Glad he aint the father of machines bruh or I woulda quit this shit game
- Kaladesh - sup oops I left oil here LOL
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Alara?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I think Lorwyn and Shadowmoor could easily come back. The basic concept of what the world is like and what it does is pretty sound.
Esper isn't real
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You're not real.
Considering Esper is an entirely created and curated section of the plane, sure.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Of course it is, it's an artifact shard. Mirrodin is artificial as well, Karn created it.
Joe Molotov
Member
I randomly stumbled on one of his videos last week that was filmed in front of like 200 boxes of Khans of Tarkir.
GoutPatrol
Forgotten in his cell
Playing Lorwyn draft was the most fun I had in Magic this year.
But Shadowmoor is better.
Just now I'm playing against a mono green deck with a mono red deck. He played Howl of the Moon Pack and I still won with Runes of the Deus.
Went 3-4 in sealed pptq. While I did so-so, one of my wins was one of the best wins I've ever had in magic. I'm at 2 life and he's at 5. He just attacked with Keldon Marauders the previous turn, and its about to vanish his next upkeep. He has a Moggs Fanatic up for block. I swing in and get him down to 1. He blocks with his Moggs Fanatic and deals 1 dmg to me. He's already ready to claim victory with his vanishing Keldon pinging me for the last dmg. Fortunately, I top decked Animate Dead that turn, took his Moggs Fanatic, and pinged him for the last dmg! He was in disbelief lol.
And wow you got some nice folks out there! In my very last match, it came to a draw. I asked if he wanted to concede. He thinks about it and say let's just draw. I said I'll concede if that's the case and he took it. I asked him if the Wasteland he had in Game 3 was for trade. He simply unsleeves it, and hands it to me and says he doesn't really collect these things and thanked me for conceding. Free Wasteland! It pays off to be nice sometimes. I will just about always concede now if it comes to it haha.
Got me a playset of Force of Wills and two copies of Wasteland. Now all I need are those damn Berserk and Tropical Islands. :l
And wow you got some nice folks out there! In my very last match, it came to a draw. I asked if he wanted to concede. He thinks about it and say let's just draw. I said I'll concede if that's the case and he took it. I asked him if the Wasteland he had in Game 3 was for trade. He simply unsleeves it, and hands it to me and says he doesn't really collect these things and thanked me for conceding. Free Wasteland! It pays off to be nice sometimes. I will just about always concede now if it comes to it haha.
Got me a playset of Force of Wills and two copies of Wasteland. Now all I need are those damn Berserk and Tropical Islands. :l
charlequin
Banned
Oh, sure, I mean, they certainly could and there'd be ways to make it work, they just don't want to because they don't think enough people would like it. But it would totally be possible.
"God's Beard!"
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Human?
"God's Beard!"
Member
I dunno, Wizard?
Joe Molotov
Member
Cephalid?
"God's Beard!"
Member
Was bored so I brewed up a Duel Commander deck on Cockatrice and my first match was a Zurgo Bellstriker mirror lol
I kept a hand with Isochron Scepter. Free win.
I kept a hand with Isochron Scepter. Free win.
A Serious Man
Member
Spoilers can not start soon enough.
Only makes sense to people deeply familiar a Japanese folklore, instead of causal Japanese pop culture.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I mean the shinto gates, yuki onnas, samurai, tentacle spirits are all there. I'm not into lovecraft horror at all so I missed most of the nuances to the set and t was still good.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
A girl spirit both warning and luring people of / into snowstorms. If that already is too much they essentially can't do any set based on any culture. I don't know half the cultural references in tarkir.
There aren't cultural references for the most part , they're just grabbing the visuals.
The Yuki-Onna cycle is actually emblematic of the excessive exoticism they had going in Kamigawa - the majority of Kamigawa words are simple and trivial to native Japanese ears, made to appear mystical in English by transliteration, and the rest are completely made up like O-Kagachi.
For example, Yuki-onna means plainly "snow woman". There is no deeper meaning to the word. If they wanted the card to be easily understood by most people, they could have called the card something like "Snow Maiden", or they could also have stopped at "Yuki-Onna", since it's a well-known real life spirit. Instead they invented four new maidens to form a full cycle that people have to look up dictionaries to even know what they represent.
Richard Garfield also named cards with transliterations of common Arabic words in Arabian Night, but he was making the set almost all by himself at the dawn of Magic. It's curious WotC Creative did the same thing long after Magic became a mass market product.
For example, Yuki-onna means plainly "snow woman". There is no deeper meaning to the word. If they wanted the card to be easily understood by most people, they could have called the card something like "Snow Maiden", or they could also have stopped at "Yuki-Onna", since it's a well-known real life spirit. Instead they invented four new maidens to form a full cycle that people have to look up dictionaries to even know what they represent.
Richard Garfield also named cards with transliterations of common Arabic words in Arabian Night, but he was making the set almost all by himself at the dawn of Magic. It's curious WotC Creative did the same thing long after Magic became a mass market product.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Yeah that I can agree with, never understood why they made a cycle out of it.
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