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[Angry Grimace]

Feels a bit awkward to me because I didn't even notice the manga jumped back and forth with flashbacks so often when I marathoned it (I caught up back when it was released in volume bulks and I didn't notice then either, until they finally released the chapters separately). I didn't think about it until I saw it mentioned here. So um, not an issue to me.

I wonder if that counts in the "upandaway is completely oblivious to pacing problems again" or if I have a more sensible argument here.

I didn't notice any problem with it either. Its a stylistic decision that like any other stylistic decision, sometimes works better than other times.

Its either another case of MangaGAF Standards™ or I just like the series and don't really care about the flaws.

 

[BassForever]

Sure, it starts with a battle, but that's like an establishing battle that doesn't show off any of the Scouting Corps. battle techniques, etc.

I guess I don't find that any of this stuff bothers me that much, particularly not in "read all 40 chapters over a few days" format. Most of the "this sucks" complaints I recall seem to me to be stuff that was always there and if a person were to hate it, they would hate it from Chapter 4 or 5.

It just feels like wasted potential, when SnK focuses on humans ingenuity, trust, sacrifice, and fear it really shines. Moments like Sasha stalling a Titan with a bow to save a young girl or the rookies coming up with a plan to kill 7 Titans and save everyone are just incredible. Watching Titan-Eren wrestle with the Armored Titan or block a cannon ball to save his friends just make me go "ehh".

 

[Angry Grimace]

It just feels like wasted potential, when SnK focuses on humans ingenuity, trust, sacrifice, and fear it really shines. Moments like Sasha stalling a Titan with a bow to save a young girl or the rookies coming up with a plan to kill 7 Titans and save everyone are just incredible. Watching Titan-Eren wrestle with the Armored Titan or block a cannon ball to save his friends just make me go "ehh".

I'm just questioning whether this is a case of your expectations about the genre that SNK was going to occupy being unrealistic/unfair or whether its a legitimate complaint about the series plotting and pacing.

(That sounds offensive, but I don't mean it that way.)

 

[BassForever]

I'm just questioning whether this is a case of your expectations about the genre that SNK was going to occupy being unrealistic/unfair or whether its a legitimate complaint about the series plotting and pacing.

(That sounds offensive, but I don't mean it that way.)

I'm sure that's part of the problem, when Eren "died" to save Armin I was like "OH SHIT" and was legit impressed that a series would have the balls to kill off it's main character and got me excited for a series where every battle could be any characters last.

 

[Akito]

It's that time of the week again
http://www.manga-news.com/index.php/actus/2013/05/02/Top-50-Oricon-du-22-au-28-avril

01 Vagabond #35 277 732/277 971
02 Blue Spring Ride #07 233 374/233 374
03 Ôkiku Furikabutte #21 225 281/225 281
04 Giant Killing #27 185 917/185 917
05 Saki #11 142 026/142 026
06 Silver Spoon #07 125 304/495 980
07 Detective Conan #79 111 610/408 544
08 Fairy Tail #37 107 708/398 869
09 Saki - Achiga-hen - Episode of Side A #11 105 429/105 429
10 Shingeki no Kyojin #10 81 216/81 216
11 Sora no Otoshimono #17 80 554/80 554
12 Arakawa Under The Bridge #13 80 282/80 282
13 Mahô Shôjo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid #09 65 646/65 646
14 Boku ha Tomodachi ga Sukunai #08 62 149/62 149
15 Black Bird #18 (END) 60 028/60 028
16 Mairunovich #08 59,185/59,185
17 Usotsuki Lily #11 46,600/46,600
18 Naruto #64 44,922/959,094
19 Shachô Shima Kôsaku #15 44,332/44,332
20 Love so Life #12 43,767/93,141
21 Miseinen Dakedo Kodomo Janai #01 41,509/41,509
22 Shingeki no Kyojin #02 38,816/1,163,600
23 Shingeki no Kyojin #03 38,805/1,117,369
24 Shingeki no Kyojin #04 38,746/994,713
25 Shingeki no Kyojin #05 38,633/950,386
26 Shingeki no Kyojin #09 37,947/761,166
27 Shingeki no Kyojin #08 37,937/794,856
28 Tokyo Ghoul #07 37,813/84,437
29 Shingeki no Kyojin #07 37,743/824,621
30 Nanatsu no Taizai #02 37,653/144,482
31 Shingeki no Kyojin #01 37,277/1,202,012
32 Shingeki no Kyojin #06 37,136/905,554
33 Biorg Trinity #01 35,515/63,375
34 Shura no Mon - Dai Ni Mon #09 33,777/121,836
35 Sakamoto Desu ga? #01 33,572/521,597
36 Reimei no Arcana #12 31,741/31,741
37 Shokugeki no Sôma #01 31,667/139,657
38 Akatsuki no Yona #11 29,218/68,005
39 Karneval #11 28,091/28,091
40 Karneval #11 (Limited Edition) 27,979/27,979
41 Horimiya #3 27,891/27,891
42 Mashiro no Oto #08 27,787/104,274
43 Ôji to Majô to Himegimi to #09 27,558/ 55,670
44 Kakarichō Shima Kôsaku #03 26,968/26,968
45 The World God Only Knows #21 26,899/71,164
46 Ojôsama ha Oyomesama #18 (END) 26,569/26,569
47 Sayuki Ibun #01 26,386/26,386
48 Gunnm Last Order #18 25,425/25,425
49 Ato ni mo Saki ni mo Kimi Dake #04 25,348/25,348
50 Pin to Kona #09 24,319/24,319

Just how much did they print of Swagamoto, not bad for a debuting volume I'd say.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I'm sure that's part of the problem, when Eren "died" to save Armin I was like "OH SHIT" and was legit impressed that a series would have the balls to kill off it's main character and got me excited for a series where every battle could be any characters last.

I feel like "anyone can die" as a trope is sort of overrated. Have we reached the level of straight up Plot Armor? I'm not sure about that yet.

 

[survivor]

It's that time of the week again
http://www.manga-news.com/index.php/actus/2013/05/02/Top-50-Oricon-du-22-au-28-avril

15 Black Bird #18 (END) 60 028/60 028

Hmm, Black Bird is over? Maybe I will make this my next "Good Ending" manga. I have read some pretty dumb shit about it.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

It's that time of the week again
http://www.manga-news.com/index.php/actus/2013/05/02/Top-50-Oricon-du-22-au-28-avril
37 Shokugeki no Sôma #01 31,667 139,657.

Onward to 200K

 

[BassForever]

I feel like "anyone can die" as a trope is sort of overrated. Have we reached the level of straight up Plot Armor? I'm not sure about that yet.

Well if we look at the state of our 10 ranked rookies plus Ymir/Armin aka main and supporting cast

1. Mikasa- Alive
2. Reiner-Alive/Titan
3. Bertholt-Alive/Titan
4. Annie- Crystalized/Titan
5. Eren- Alive/Titan
6. Jean- Alive
7. Maarco- Dead
8. Conny- Alive
9. Sash- Alive
10. Christa- Alive
Ymir- Alive/Titan
Armin- Alive

I'll throw in Rivaille and Hanji as main/supporting characters too, both of which are alive still.

As someone said last page, very few named characters have died, or if they are named they're introduced like 2-3 chapters before they become Titan food.

 

[Akito]

Hmm, Black Bird is over? Maybe I will make this my next "Good Ending" manga. I have read some pretty dumb shit about it.

Did you finish GE though, I don't remember :lol

 

[Infinite Justice]

Damn its a fucking minefield in here.

 

[brotkasten]

It's that time of the week again
http://www.manga-news.com/index.php/actus/2013/05/02/Top-50-Oricon-du-22-au-28-avril

Stupid question, but are those sales from Japan or France?

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Stupid question, but are those sales from Japan or France?

Japan. (oricon market research firm in jpn reporting on jpn compiled book volume sales).

 

[survivor]

Did you finish GE though, I don't remember :lol

No, I dropped it after THE EVENT. I found that to be the peak of stupidity and I doubt the manga can top itself after it.

 

[Akito]

No, I dropped it after THE EVENT. I think that was the peak of stupidity and I doubt the manga can top itself after that.

It's alright then, it never become decent but never quite as bad again either.

 

[brotkasten]

Japan. (oricon market research firm in jpn reporting on jpn compiled book volume sales).

Thank you. I was confused, because it was posted on a French site (never went to Manga-News.com before).

 

[Akito]

Thank you. I was confused, because it was posted on a French site (never went to Manga-News.com before).

It's the best site for everything manga related, they often get their hand on scoops even earlier than Japanese sites.

 

[dakkumauji]

Yotsuba&! 83

That was AMAZING!

The World God Only Knows 226

This arc is a little silly but I like it.

 

[brotkasten]

It's the best site for everything manga related, they often get their hand on scoops even earlier than Japanese sites.

It's a bit weird, but for some reason I was never interested in manga news or news about the authors. Probably because I have enough material for the next year or two and whatever happens in the industry wouldn't affect me.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

It's the best site for everything manga related, they often get their hand on scoops even earlier than Japanese sites.

Magazine covers is their best part...the ugly watermark is the worst thing they do...

 

[dakkumauji]

YA☆BE!!! 01

Interesting.

 

[survivor]

Red Colored Elegy vol 1 End

A great beautiful and tragic love story with simple yet elegant and brilliant art style. The manga follows the struggling artist, Ichiro, and the animator Sachiko and their unstable relationship as they face opposition from their parents and difficluties to make ends meet.

One of the unique things about the manga is the reliance on the visuals to tell the entire story. There aren't that many dialogues and the manga utilizes a minimalistic artistic style with little to no backgrounds except for the scenery panels. It really works as the art isn't busy and helps you focus on the characters themselves and the imagery that helps convey their emotions and thoughts. There is also a sense of repetitiveness and pattern in the way the panels are laid out. Hayashi uses the 4 wide panels per page layout constantly throughout the manga especially which is something I don't see that often in other manga. The biggest features of Hayashi's art is the usage of darkness and shadows during the tense and depressing moments of the story which there a lot of. They are very striking and well drawn and utilized.

I did have a little trouble following the story. The panels sometimes didn't flow naturally and there were a lot of jumps. And with little dialogue, it makes it hard to know if you are reading the same scene or if the scene totally changed to something else. Also I did wish there were more facial expressions or some effort to draw them more detailed. With a manga that relies on the art a lot, not seeing the characters faces is very hindering in understanding their feelings.

I'm definitely planning on rereading this manga again to appreciate the art and the visuals more.

 

[brotkasten]

TWGOK

This is getting really stupid and I'm starting to hate the "cute" art style of the author. It feels so overused.

 

[BassForever]

Monster Volume 3

This series is crazy addictive, I'm trying not to power though it in one day so I can take time to think about all the events that have transpired. I'm glad to see Lunge get kicked down a peg for his craziness and I wish Eva would just exit the plot her bumbling drunk antics are really annoying. The chapters that introduce Dieter are really powerful and the more we learn about Johan the better this series gets. Every chapter I'm on edge waiting for the monster's next appearance.

 

[survivor]

Magazine covers is their best part...the ugly watermark is the worst thing they do...

Do they put watermarks on magazine covers? I only remember seeing them on magazine scans of news.

 

[BassForever]

Onward to 200K

What is a good target for a first volume Jump series to do to not have it be canceled early?

 

[survivor]

What is a good target for a first volume Jump series to do to not have it be canceled early?

100k

 

[picklecannon]

Monster 1-20
Starting off really good but It's kind of like reverse death note syndrome (at least from what I can remember) where I feel all this stuff that is happening right now could've been avoided if Tenma just spoke to inspector Lunge.

 

[BassForever]

Monster 1-20
Starting off really good but It's kind of like reverse death note syndrome (at least from what I can remember) where I feel all this stuff that is happening right now could've been avoided if Tenma just spoke to inspector Lunge.

Lunge has believed Tenma was guilty for 9 years, sitting down and talking to the man wouldn't change that fact as you'll see

 

[Defuser]

Even in advertising Swagamoto is still swag.

 

[BassForever]

Even in advertising Swagamoto is still swag.

*faints*

 

[brotkasten]

Even in advertising Swagamoto is still swag.

That's amazing and almost worthy for him.

 

[dramatis]

What is a good target for a first volume Jump series to do to not have it be canceled early?

It depends. What do you consider 'canceled early'?

Volume 1 total sales before dropping off chart
(except Kurogane, which didn't chart until v2)

Haikyuu!!   31428
Koisome     35058
Kurogane v2 16636
Kuroko      42953
Nisekoi     45317
Pajama      31899
Psyren      28118
Saiki Kusuo 34116
Shokugeki   89378

Takamagahara, Cross Manage, Kiruko, and Hungry Joker first volumes never charted so there is no data.

Kurogane made it to 8 volumes and it never showed past 50k on the charts. For comparison, Koisome sold more than 50k by its second volume but it got shown the door at volume 4. Psyren never hit 100k (closest on chart was 95k total) but it got up to volume 16.

Kuroko doesn't have particularly rosy first volume sales, but now it sells more than Bleach. The first volume sales are probably a factor in whether or not a series gets cancelled, but I think by the time a volume comes out and the numbers roll in, the series has either already fallen before chapter 17 or is in danger of cancellation because of the ranking.

 

[BassForever]

It depends. What do you consider 'canceled early'?

Volume 1 total sales before dropping off chart
(except Kurogane, which didn't chart until v2)

Haikyuu!!   31428
Koisome     35058
Kurogane v2 16636
Kuroko      42953
Nisekoi     45317
Pajama      31899
Psyren      28118
Saiki Kusuo 34116
Shokugeki   89378

Takamagahara, Cross Manage, Kiruko, and Hungry Joker first volumes never charted so there is no data.

Kurogane made it to 8 volumes and it never showed past 50k on the charts. For comparison, Koisome sold more than 50k by its second volume but it got shown the door at volume 4. Psyren never hit 100k (closest on chart was 95k total) but it got up to volume 16.

Kuroko doesn't have particularly rosy first volume sales, but now it sells more than Bleach. The first volume sales are probably a factor in whether or not a series gets cancelled, but I think by the time a volume comes out and the numbers roll in, the series has either already fallen before chapter 17 or is in danger of cancellation because of the ranking.

Thanks for the info

 

[Dedication Through Light]

It depends. What do you consider 'canceled early'?

Volume 1 total sales before dropping off chart
(except Kurogane, which didn't chart until v2)

Haikyuu!!   31428
Koisome     35058
Kurogane v2 16636
Kuroko      42953
Nisekoi     45317
Pajama      31899
Psyren      28118
Saiki Kusuo 34116
Shokugeki   89378

Takamagahara, Cross Manage, Kiruko, and Hungry Joker first volumes never charted so there is no data.

Kurogane made it to 8 volumes and it never showed past 50k on the charts. For comparison, Koisome sold more than 50k by its second volume but it got shown the door at volume 4. Psyren never hit 100k (closest on chart was 95k total) but it got up to volume 16.

Kuroko doesn't have particularly rosy first volume sales, but now it sells more than Bleach. The first volume sales are probably a factor in whether or not a series gets cancelled, but I think by the time a volume comes out and the numbers roll in, the series has either already fallen before chapter 17 or is in danger of cancellation because of the ranking.

No ST&RS?

I didnt know Psyren was that unpopular, though I never even knew about it while it was running jump only when viz brought it over here.

 

[bigkrev]

Avant-garde Yumeko 1
Has this girl ever heard of the internet?

 

[InfiniDragon]

TWGOK

I laughed my ASS off at Keima calling those girls jobbers. I use that all the time but never expected to see it in a manga.

 

[Articalys]

TWGOK

I laughed my ASS off at Keima calling those girls jobbers. I use that all the time but never expected to see it in a manga.

To be fair that was probably in the translation choice, though I wonder if the Japanese term he used was actually a direct equivalent.

 

["God's Beard!"]

I'm sure that's part of the problem, when Eren "died" to save Armin I was like "OH SHIT" and was legit impressed that a series would have the balls to kill off it's main character and got me excited for a series where every battle could be any characters last.

Game of thrones?

 

[Akainu]

well damn I found it nevermind.

 

[Kurita]

It's that time of the week again
http://www.manga-news.com/index.php/actus/2013/05/02/Top-50-Oricon-du-22-au-28-avril
Just how much did they print of Swagamoto, not bad for a debuting volume I'd say.

Seriously, Swagamoto's sells are crazy. They've been so consistent for weeks now. Didn't expect this manga to sell so much.

Food Smut vol.1's sales are already on par with Haikyuu!!, Nisekoi... that's good. I assume it will top these two at some point.

 

[Angry Grimace]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";56573484]?[/QUOTE]

You do realize that that show hasn't reached It Was His Sled status yet, right?

 

[brotkasten]

Swagamoto 5

Not all that impressive. The beginning with the lunch package plate was pretty cool, but relatively harmless after that. Maybe he's turning from Swagamoto into Slackermoto, amirite?

 

[Kurita]

Heh, I just recently found out that we've already got What a Wonderful World and Hikari no Machi. I don't think we'll get Ctrl+T though since artbooks usually sell like crap here so you can be jelly at Kurita for that but I guess we all already are.

Hey I never said we had Ctrl+T in France!
Only saw it at my Japanese library :lol
Asano stuff published in France :
Punpun
Solanin
Un Monde Formidable (What a Wonderful World)
Le Quartier de la Lumière (Hikari no Machi)
Le champ de l'arc-en-ciel (Nijigahara/Holograph)
La Fin du Monde, Avant le Lever du Jour (Sekai no Owari to Yoakemae)

Even in advertising Swagamoto is still swag.

Oh my...

There's a new Baby Steps chapter out. I don't care about it but I know some people do.

 

[Kurita]

Ok, Murata wants the next OPM chapter to be 100 pages long

I don't even know if this guy is human anymore.

 

[brotkasten]

He definitely lost it. He's fucking insane. His next tweet will probably say that all pages are going to be colorized, too.

 

[Kurita]

He says in this tweet that this week chapter will be shorter and he apologises for it :lol
Don't worry Murata, we understand.

I skimmed through the raw. Yeah it's short but it looks fantastic.

 

[Gradivus]

He says in this tweet that this week chapter will be shorter and he apologises for it :lol
Don't worry Murata, we understand.

Just read it then, its only about 9 pages

Edit: Actually, I think this is great that he is going to try and do the 100 pages for the upcoming Chapter on the 16th. Judging from the original comic on what's happening next, I think that it would be suitable for that chapter's size to be a lot bigger than the normal sized ones.

 

[brotkasten]

He needs to stop dicking around, get some good sleep and put the chapters out on a fixed schedule. As an entitled internet user, I demand it.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Murata and Inoue are the kind of authors that I put in my own imaginary group called "Page Spread Authors."

Fantastic drawing skills but often emphasizing the art so much to the point where they sacrifice the longevity and the content of the chapters.