March Wrasslin Thread: Road to WrestleMania

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Spider Silva said:
WWE = fucked. So much is made over ratings (which have been dropping BTW, since that two year high 4.1 over the Orton punting Stephanie RAW) but THIS is where the money is directly made. Ratings are a nice indicator of the product, getting heat from network execs, but it doesn't have much short term effect. The fact buyrates are doing horrible shows WWE is in some serious trouble and no one is liking the product.

And once again, Orton being pushed = ratings failure. How many times does it take for the company to realize this guy is just a monotone heel, who gets by on looks and athleticism?
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Vince and Co., need to evolve the product somehow. Whoever that exec or that person is who knows the next direction needs to go in, that guy will win tons of money. And wrestling will see a boom again. =p

You would think WWE would look at MMA for some inspiration...
 
JavyOO7 said:
Vince and Co., need to evolve the product somehow. Whoever that exec or that person is who knows the next direction needs to go in, that guy will win tons of money. And wrestling will see a boom again. =p

You would think WWE would look at MMA for some inspiration...
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MMA is copying them..why would they look to MMA for inspiration?

MMA is catering to those same fans from the attitude era. Hence to focus on personalities and freaks now. (Not knocking their ability in the slightest.)

WWE's problem is it's watered down. There's no edge to it anymore. No reason to tune in next week like there was in the Attitude Era. It's all status quo, just barely scraping by until the next PPV.

A PG 13 product is NOT the way to go. Not with something that's inherently violent.
 
Outcast2004 said:
WWE's problem is it's watered down. There's no edge to it anymore. No reason to tune in next week like there was in the Attitude Era. It's all status quo, just barely scraping by until the next PPV.

A PG 13 product is NOT the way to go. Not with something that's inherently violent.
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Agreed. WWE is going in a poor direction. They have been progressing toward the modern, more boring, product for a long time. I think they want a mainstream product, but that will just never happen.
 
Outcast2004 said:
MMA is copying them..why would they look to MMA for inspiration?

MMA is catering to those same fans from the attitude era. Hence to focus on personalities and freaks now. (Not knocking their ability in the slightest.)

WWE's problem is it's watered down. There's no edge to it anymore. No reason to tune in next week like there was in the Attitude Era. It's all status quo, just barely scraping by until the next PPV.

A PG 13 product is NOT the way to go. Not with something that's inherently violent.
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I don't think the kiddo-friendly direction is what's making the current WWE product shitty. I mean, shit, look at the WWF in the 80's. That shit was mad entertaining and was entirely more kiddy than the product nowadays.

The real problem is super simple: The writing and direction is terrible. They obviously have talented wrestlers. They obviously have great production. Too bad the writers obviously aren't talented. Actually, they probably are, but Vince is too stupid to greenlight anything that doesn't promote him or his family. Or wrestlers people don't care about anymore. Or wrestlers who deserve a push, but instead, get buried. Or...ah, you get the point.
 
JavyOO7 said:
Vince and Co., need to evolve the product somehow. Whoever that exec or that person is who knows the next direction needs to go in, that guy will win tons of money. And wrestling will see a boom again. =p
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They fired the guy who I think could have done that (Heyman).

On another topic, any of you guys ever watched CHIKARA?
 
Dork Knight said:
I don't think the kiddo-friendly direction is what's making the current WWE product shitty. I mean, shit, look at the WWF in the 80's. That shit was mad entertaining and was entirely more kiddy than the product nowadays.

The real problem is super simple: The writing and direction is terrible. They obviously have talented wrestlers. They obviously have great production. Too bad the writers obviously aren't talented. Actually, they probably are, but Vince is too stupid to greenlight anything that doesn't promote him or his family. Or wrestlers people don't care about anymore. Or wrestlers who deserve a push, but instead, get buried. Or...ah, you get the point.
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This here is pretty much it. I'm mean we've gotten some good stuff the past two-three years but then you find out later on that Vince wasnt too keen on the idea to begin with.

Just like he didnt' want Christian in MitB and he still thinks Christian is a waste of talent despite getting the biggest pops on ECW and probably in the top 10 as far as pops go in the company. Thank god he's got a shitton of backing from creative (including Gerwitz) so hopefully Vince will shu this trap.
 
I would love to live on US (Or having a credit card) to get that Macho Man DVD.
OOOHHH YEAAAAH!
So the DVDs have matchs and promos ?
EDIT: Im watching some Macho Man promos, damn he was the best at the mic (And the Rock) his timing ,body language and metric is really hynpotic.
 
Just so everyone can get excited about Mania now.

Rey vs JBL is officially announced for Mania.

Get your hype meters roaring.
 
Penguin said:
Just so everyone can get excited about Mania now.

Rey vs JBL is officially announced for Mania.

Get your hype meters roaring.
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Outcast2004 said:
MMA is copying them..why would they look to MMA for inspiration?

MMA is catering to those same fans from the attitude era. Hence to focus on personalities and freaks now. (Not knocking their ability in the slightest.)

WWE's problem is it's watered down. There's no edge to it anymore. No reason to tune in next week like there was in the Attitude Era. It's all status quo, just barely scraping by until the next PPV.

A PG 13 product is NOT the way to go. Not with something that's inherently violent.
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You strike me as someone who doesn't watch MMA at all. :D
 
Kletian said:
This here is pretty much it. I'm mean we've gotten some good stuff the past two-three years but then you find out later on that Vince wasnt too keen on the idea to begin with.

Just like he didnt' want Christian in MitB and he still thinks Christian is a waste of talent despite getting the biggest pops on ECW and probably in the top 10 as far as pops go in the company. Thank god he's got a shitton of backing from creative (including Gerwitz) so hopefully Vince will shu this trap.
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Yeah -- it's frustrating when you read about all the shit Vince poos poos. I think the day the WWE turns around is the day Vince retires. Or, I hate to say it, passes away.
 
I can't take the dirt sheets seriously. It seems like every other week it's stories like "Punk is in the doghouse." "Christian is backstage at Raw tonight." Then when something doesn't happen that they reported, they say, "Vince changed his mind."
 
riskVSreward said:
You strike me as someone who doesn't watch MMA at all. :D
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You'd be very wrong.

Look at UFC since White took over. He's borrwed a LOT of pages out of the McMahon marketing handbook. It's done really really well for him as well.
 
riskVSreward said:
You strike me as someone who doesn't watch MMA at all. :D
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Actually early on when Ultimate Fighter was getting off the ground, Dana said Vince was the best promoter ever and he borrowed some techniques from him. Even without Dana admitting it, UFC promotion has pro wrestling all over it. Dana has had "Loser leaves UFC" matches. Dana even sounds like Vince at times in interviews trying to hype PPVs. Dana has most assuredly used wrestling-style promotion techniques.
 
Guzim said:
I can't take the dirt sheets seriously. It seems like every other week it's stories like "Punk is in the doghouse." "Christian is backstage at Raw tonight." Then when something doesn't happen that they reported, they say, "Vince changed his mind."
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Dirt sheet gossip is like *any* gossip (celebrity, sports, political, etc.) -- a *lot* of it is fake, but every once in a while something is true. It's really up to you to decide what's the truth and what's made-up bullshit.
 
This week's edition of TNA Impact drew a record 1.34 rating with 1.8 million viewers.

Impact was #1 among M18-49 in cable during its time period and the #2 program among M18-49 in cable for Thursday (total day).

This was its highest M18-49 and M18-34 ratings ever for a 2 hour telecast.

Impact earned a 1.34 cable rating - a 1.21 in M18-49, a .80 in P18-49, and a 1.13 in M18-34.

The show did quarter hours of 1.30, 1.25, 1.31, 1.35, 1.37, 1.38, 1.31, and 1.45



I'm kinda shocked. I didn't see much of the show, but the tag match of Angle/Sting vs. Foley/Jarrett obviously resonated, and Foley's turn on Sting there at the end was really interesting. I hate the revisionist history type of thing as if Foley and Sting had some sort of past, referring to some obscure WCW era when Foley debuted, and that was it.

But seeing him cut a promo on Sting after the match was classic Foley. He's out of shape and old, but he can put on a good feud when he acts like the more demented, sadistic, pain loving Foley.
 
Madman said:
Agreed. WWE is going in a poor direction. They have been progressing toward the modern, more boring, product for a long time. I think they want a mainstream product, but that will just never happen.
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WWE has made me want to watch AAA more instead, even if it is Mexican WCW, complete with its own NWO and DX.

Why isn't there a lucha thread BTW?

Sting and Foley did feud in the Early 90s with Abdullah the Butcher, Vader and gift-wrapped beatdown presents.
 
arstal said:
WWE has made me want to watch AAA more instead, even if it is Mexican WCW, complete with its own NWO and DX.

Why isn't there a lucha thread BTW?

Sting and Foley did feud in the Early 90s with Abdullah the Butcher, Vader and gift-wrapped beatdown presents.
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I know they have before, but they made it seem like more than it was. It's a typical legend vs. legend type thing where they build up a small thing to make it seem like a big connection. Same with Flair-HBK last match last year. You would have though Flair was HBK's lifelong mentor the way they made it, same with Flair-Batista and Flair-HHH. The WWE-ized farewell with pop rock music and a bunch of WWE stars who barely had anything to do with Flair's career was kind of lame.
 
Spider Silva said:
I know they have before, but they made it seem like more than it was. It's a typical legend vs. legend type thing where they build up a small thing to make it seem like a big connection. Same with Flair-HBK last match last year. You would have though Flair was HBK's lifelong mentor the way they made it, same with Flair-Batista and Flair-HHH. The WWE-ized farewell with pop rock music and a bunch of WWE stars who barely had anything to do with Flair's career was kind of lame.
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HBK and HHH have always idiolized Flair, not really the same as mentoring. They've helped his confidence issues for years. And for Batista, he was still damn near a rookie when Evolution started, and I'm sure he learned shit tons from Flair, enough to be considered a mentor.
 
RunWhiteBoyRun said:
HBK and HHH have always idiolized Flair, not really the same as mentoring. They've helped his confidence issues for years. And for Batista, he was still damn near a rookie when Evolution started, and I'm sure he learned shit tons from Flair, enough to be considered a mentor.
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I think what he's trying to say, and is pretty true, is how Flair has had so many other people that he was friends with for longer and was closer to. Arn Anderson used to be, and I imagine still is, one of, if not his best friend. He came out that night, but it was kind of sad to see him relegated behind HBK/HHH and Co.
 
JdFoX187 said:
I think what he's trying to say, and is pretty true, is how Flair has had so many other people that he was friends with for longer and was closer to. Arn Anderson used to be, and I imagine still is, one of, if not his best friend. He came out that night, but it was kind of sad to see him relegated behind HBK/HHH and Co.
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I can understand that part of it then. They shoulda had AA cut a promo.
 
So did anyone else see ROH's debut TV show on HDNET?

It was an ok first show overall, but nothing special. The show looked pretty damn great in HD, and I liked the old-school intro of the announcers in the "studio." The new announcer Hodgewood actually wasn't too bad for a guy with no previous wrestling background. Sure, he was overreacting alot and screaming too much at times, but I feel that's something that can be improved in the future. I'm a bit puzzled though as to why they kept guys like Danielson and the fucking world champ McGuinness off of the debut show, yet they had guys like Sami Callahan and Albright wrestling. :/ As for the matches themselves, they weren't really memorable in the sense that they didn't really feel like "ROH matches." Honestly, all 4 matches had that WWE style pacing, which I'm not sure is the best way to go for a debut show where you're trying to show how your in-ring product is different from the others.

But overall, the most important thing is that we have another wrestling promotion on national TV, and the more choices we can have, the better. I'll be watching ROH TV every week.
 
will search for it in the guide and get a pass to it.. missed it this weekend.. hopefully HDNet repeats it sometime during the week.
 
So.. any of you guys wrestles ?
Im thinking on joining a Lucha school ...
(Tough im not in the best shape and im a little old:lol)
EDIT: Im of course talkin' about sport entertainment kind of wrestling.
 
RBH said:
So did anyone else see ROH's debut TV show on HDNET?

It was an ok first show overall, but nothing special. The show looked pretty damn great in HD, and I liked the old-school intro of the announcers in the "studio." The new announcer Hodgewood actually wasn't too bad for a guy with no previous wrestling background. Sure, he was overreacting alot and screaming too much at times, but I feel that's something that can be improved in the future. I'm a bit puzzled though as to why they kept guys like Danielson and the fucking world champ McGuinness off of the debut show, yet they had guys like Sami Callahan and Albright wrestling. :/ As for the matches themselves, they weren't really memorable in the sense that they didn't really feel like "ROH matches." Honestly, all 4 matches had that WWE style pacing, which I'm not sure is the best way to go for a debut show where you're trying to show how your in-ring product is different from the others.

But overall, the most important thing is that we have another wrestling promotion on national TV, and the more choices we can have, the better. I'll be watching ROH TV every week.
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I watched the beginning of the show. I was impressed with the athleticism, creativity but I definitely realize that there is no way someone doing as many shows as WWE stars could keep up that style.

The one thing that I didn't like, and yes this is nitpicking, but the crowd seemed so dead. They seemed more concerned with getting their chants over than enjoying the matches. Maybe it was just the first show and maybe I need to get used to the show. I will give it a few more episodes.
 
Fersis said:
So.. any of you guys wrestles ?
Im thinking on joining a Lucha school ...
(Tough im not in the best shape and im a little old:lol)
EDIT: Im of course talkin' about sport entertainment kind of wrestling.
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I seriously considered it at one point (I'm 6' 8". 285lbs and was actively recruited by a couple NE Ohio indys to get trained). Then girlfriend (now wife) kinda talked sense into me. I have bad knees already, that wouldn't have helped matters.

Besides, I wouldn't want to get stuck in the typical "big guy" role. I'd love to wrestle a technical style.

I'm far too old now to do it.... but ironically in the best shape of my life.
 
Outcast2004 said:
I seriously considered it at one point (I'm 6' 8". 285lbs and was actively recruited by a couple NE Ohio indys to get trained). Then girlfriend (now wife) kinda talked sense into me. I have bad knees already, that wouldn't have helped matters.

Besides, I wouldn't want to get stuck in the typical "big guy" role. I'd love to wrestle a technical style.
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Im thinking on doing Mexican Lucha Libre, im not a big guy so its gonna help.
Tough i should have a shoulder surgery first :/
 
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