Reading the Iwata Asks was pretty illuminating. Seems like they had to put in a TON of work into making the sprites look "3D".
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Mario & Luigi: Dream Team |OT| Us North Americans Don't Have Bros
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Reading the Iwata Asks was pretty illuminating. Seems like they had to put in a TON of work into making the sprites look "3D".
Chezzymann
Member
If you put in headphones and turn the 3D on with the XL, the game actually looks pretty sharp and sounds really nice.
I didn't really understand that bit of the interview. The sprites are clearly 2D. I wonder if they just meant that they had trouble making the sprites not feel out of place in the 3D world.
Yup, been playing with headphones and 3D on this whole time, the game looks and sounds amazing.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Man, the soundtrack is incredible, but the game looks ugly compared to Bowser's Inside Story. It reminds me of Super Mario RPG in that regard, which has a very dated look.
ForteanMan
Member
That demo pushed me over the edge, it was the same M & L gameplay I fell in love with in Superstar Saga and PiT but was improved upon greatly. So now I'm just waiting for the damn download to finish so I can jump in (it's been downloading for like an hour [that may be a slight exaggeration])
I just stopped by a local Best Buy to grab the game but they didn't have it in stock. So I went to the Toys R Us next door instead. And I'm super glad I did.
If you guys in NA haven't gotten the game yet, Toys R Us is running a promotion where if you pick up Mario and Luigi before the 17th, you get any video game, strategy guide, or accessory valued at $19.99 or less for only 99 cents. I picked up a copy of Kingdom Hearts Recoded.
I think I need to buy games at TRU more often.
If you guys in NA haven't gotten the game yet, Toys R Us is running a promotion where if you pick up Mario and Luigi before the 17th, you get any video game, strategy guide, or accessory valued at $19.99 or less for only 99 cents. I picked up a copy of Kingdom Hearts Recoded.
I think I need to buy games at TRU more often.
Always go there for Pokemon releases. They usually have similar sells for those launches as well.
Synless
Member
This is the exact song, it is terrible.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
So Target gives out free Mario backpacks with a purchase of M&L4, does anybody know what it looks like? My little brother needs a backpack for kindergarten and my mom might just get me the game and give him the backpack for the $35 or so it costs 
If the backpack is lame though I'd rather her not do that though. Thanks.
If the backpack is lame though I'd rather her not do that though. Thanks.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I have to admit, so far, I really like how the game looks.
Yes, there is a tradeoff in backgrounds having flawlessly placed pixel art because these are constructed of polygons. But the presentation value and animation compensates.
The main thing though is all the work they put into making sprites that blend with the 3D world and do not look pasted on seems to have paid off in spades. As is so common with 3DS games, blown up screen shots can lie about what it looks like on the actual screen.
I agree with what someone else said a while back, they finally got Mario and Luigi's animation timing exactly right with this set of sprites. 16 directional animation also pays off.
Yes, there is a tradeoff in backgrounds having flawlessly placed pixel art because these are constructed of polygons. But the presentation value and animation compensates.
The main thing though is all the work they put into making sprites that blend with the 3D world and do not look pasted on seems to have paid off in spades. As is so common with 3DS games, blown up screen shots can lie about what it looks like on the actual screen.
I agree with what someone else said a while back, they finally got Mario and Luigi's animation timing exactly right with this set of sprites. 16 directional animation also pays off.
HOLY SHIT, that's what TRU stands for? I've seen this on gaf for years but didn't realize until today. why don't you jerks just say TrU? I would be able to understand it better then.
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chickdigger802
Banned
fuck in the dreamy world the art looks fantastic. this visual style is what i wanted out of 2d mario platformers, not the dull nsmb look
So Target gives out free Mario backpacks with a purchase of M&L4, does anybody know what it looks like? My little brother needs a backpack for kindergarten and my mom might just get me the game and give him the backpack for the $35 or so it costs
If the backpack is lame though I'd rather her not do that though. Thanks.
They have several so maybe you get to choose?
so i just glanced at the review scores. why is it doing so poorly? i remember paper mario was criticized for a new play style, but isn't this the same gameplay mechanics i am used to?
i also haven't played M&L3, but since these games aren't really continuous, i don't need to play it first, right?
i also haven't played M&L3, but since these games aren't really continuous, i don't need to play it first, right?
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Maybe, but by the wording of the promo I thought it was a special backpack, not general stock.
But hey, if it is general, even better. I get a free game and my little brother gets a school backpack.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
I forget, how long is this again?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Supposedly it's not as charming because Bowser isn't playing (one category of complaint), otherwise griping that our busy lives have no room for games with tutorials. Even though allegedly it isn't any worse than Bowser's Inside Story in this regard. I guess I'll see myself shortly.
The actual quality of the production seems as high as ever for the series.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
All tutorials are skippable, right?
Many of them are. You're asked if you want to have something described or not. There are also ones that aren't skippable.
I remember Starlow trying to explain something to me, but I said no and then she bothered to actually ask me a second time to see if I was sure.
Wish tutorials were just relegated to the menu so that players who don't understand concepts have a quick encyclopedia to check stuff out rather than the game wasting it's breathe to explain shit all the time.
Wish tutorials were just relegated to the menu so that players who don't understand concepts have a quick encyclopedia to check stuff out rather than the game wasting it's breathe to explain shit all the time.
Are you SURE you want it relegated to the menu?
You don't need to play Bowser's Inside Story first, though you should at some point if you enjoy these games. Part of the reason this game is under such a harsh light is that it comes after Bowser's Inside Story, because switching between Bowser and the Bros added variety to the game and provided different types of humor. M&L Dream Team is unfortunate in that it's judged against BiS, it doesn't contain the additional character or variance of game style. Plus it has a less interesting antagonist.
Still a good game though. I've played the prior games and remember just as much in the way of tutorial stuff.
I've played Mario and Luigi games before so at least more than half of the tutorial crap doesn't need to be explained to me. They could have entries in a "tutorial" page dealing with what different context sensitive buttons do to activate abilites, what the different battle functions are, and even allow players to demo different aspects if they don't understand similar to practicing Bros. attacks.
Only a few things the game told me actually felt helpful such as how the battle system changes in the dream world, or how to use Luiginary abilities.
I was just mimicing Starlow in asking you a second time after you made a decision
Oh haha, nevermind.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
I didn't play Bowsers Inside Story because I didn't like playing as Bowser.
Dream Team looks so much better and funnier.
Dream Team looks so much better and funnier.
chickdigger802
Banned
how do you not play a game yet play it?
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
I did play Bowsers Inside Story. Didn't really get into it like the past series. Too much Bowser.
You haven't played a video game since the SNES?
So, impressions as of four hours in (early game spoilers):
I love it. People here in the OT complaining got me a bit weary, but my fears were unfounded. The game is excellent. Audio is catchy, visuals are stunning, and the gameplay is clean and crisp. The bosses are challenging (I used Easy Mode on Bowser and the bat just because I'd died four times and was frustrated), but the fights are so smooth and streamlined that I don't mind extended battle.
As for the dialogue and story, I am digging it so far. There have definitely been some moments that had me laughing. ("It's bumpin' my rump! DAT AIN'T RIGHT!") Also I think the Pi'illo people are adorable as fuck. This game is awesome, and if the quality stays this way, I will definitely play through a second time. It's rekindling the magic of SS in the best way.
As for the dialogue and story, I am digging it so far. There have definitely been some moments that had me laughing. ("It's bumpin' my rump! DAT AIN'T RIGHT!") Also I think the Pi'illo people are adorable as fuck. This game is awesome, and if the quality stays this way, I will definitely play through a second time. It's rekindling the magic of SS in the best way.
A Mario RPG, I'm sorry I should have clarified.
once for each brother, obviously
chickdigger802
Banned
definitely should have something at the beginning asking 'have you played a mario luigi game before????'
but with how much tutorials is coded in this thing, probably not easy to toggle off and on.
good thing that you can speed through all of them by mashing B.
but with how much tutorials is coded in this thing, probably not easy to toggle off and on.
good thing that you can speed through all of them by mashing B.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Booo... Nintendo needs to stop with this shit.
Yeah, this is something that would really nice considering this is the fourth game in the series, meaning there's a good chance someone getting this played one of the previous games. At the very least, for most of it, they allow you the choice for most of the mechanics by answering "no".
Played until the boss in the first dreamy world. Wow, REALLY liking the additions made to battles in the dreamy world. It allows for more creative ways for dodging attacks and changes things up nicely.
...what.
Quick question; can you revisit dream scenarios? I didn't get all the Expert Challenges completed in the first/intro dream sequence and I don't see a way to go back there yet. Other than that, digging the game despite the ridiculous tutorials (telling me how to jump/jump at the same time as both bros. was pretty player-insulting, even if this was your first Mario & Luigi game).
chickdigger802
Banned
weird... is it just me or does combat feel a bit 'smoother' in the actual game then the demo?
They did, and almost everyone hated it (Sticker Star)
a good balance would be preferable, such as in Pikmin 3. Perfect amount of tutorialization and it's well-integrated into the game
Yeah you can revisit them anytime.
You can talk to the rescued Pi'illos to return to their dream worlds.
Why would you do that?
Member
I just finished playing the demo.
I have a weird relationship with M&L games because I think they're really awesome, but at the same time, I don't like them. (I like Paper Mario, though.) However, I really liked the demo. I really enjoyed the Dream World fights, fighting with the power of multiple Luigis on my side. I was very surprised when I realized that the characters weren't actually 3D. All this time, I thought they were 3D models...
I really don't like the standard M&L long, long boss fights. It's one of the main things that turns me away from the series. In the demo, I actually died against the Dream World boss after fighting for quite a while.
Of the M&L games, I did like Superstar Saga the most, and this game reminds me of it. Of the gimmicks they added since Superstar Saga (Baby M/L, Bowser and his stomach), I like the Dream World gimmick the most by far, so I definitely want to give the full game a shot one day.
I have a weird relationship with M&L games because I think they're really awesome, but at the same time, I don't like them. (I like Paper Mario, though.) However, I really liked the demo. I really enjoyed the Dream World fights, fighting with the power of multiple Luigis on my side. I was very surprised when I realized that the characters weren't actually 3D. All this time, I thought they were 3D models...
I really don't like the standard M&L long, long boss fights. It's one of the main things that turns me away from the series. In the demo, I actually died against the Dream World boss after fighting for quite a while.
Of the M&L games, I did like Superstar Saga the most, and this game reminds me of it. Of the gimmicks they added since Superstar Saga (Baby M/L, Bowser and his stomach), I like the Dream World gimmick the most by far, so I definitely want to give the full game a shot one day.