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Mark Cerny: When making consoles, we're not trying to build low-cost PCs
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Punished Miku
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I just want someone to ask him who is responsible for that lopsided plastic casing.
jm89
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ChiefDada
Gold Member
Really? I didn't know ASIC decompression blocks came standard in low cost (or high cost) PCs
Aguero9320
Member
This is just more 'we believe in generations' type pandering.
Both consoles are essentially low cost PCs. Nothing wrong with that, just got to own it.
Both consoles are essentially low cost PCs. Nothing wrong with that, just got to own it.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Couldn’t be worse.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
So can we install Windows 10/11, Ubuntu/Manjaro and play all PC games and emulators?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
splattered
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Fabieter
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Yes its fine just be honest with it and don't gaslight people into thinking you still care
Sure. Google "AMD BC-250" or 4700S and buy that board with the PS5 SoC and you have something that allows you to run any software you'd like.
To be serious though, the point is that there's very little bespoke or novel about the PS4/PS5 hardware compared to previous generations of console hardware, because it's just no longer feasible to do anything but a cost-optimized PC running a different software stack as a console.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
So the Switch 2 will not be a Nvidia ARM SoC?
iHaunter
Member
Your PC is low after 3 years too...
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
What is forbidding him to upgrade?
Physiognomonics
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Very interesting new information. We know the first prototype PS5 APU (Ariel) was actually lacking hardware RT and here he confirms they actually included RT quite late into PS5 development! Xbox Series could have had a big hardware advantage if they had not included RDNA2 RT into PS5 at the last minute! Another great decision by Cerny here.
You think this is some gotcha when it just further shows my point. There's nothing novel about what's the Switch 2 is going to be, it's just generation n-1 ARM and nVidia IP.
OverHeat
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My 11900k 3090 computer say no… still playing game at better framerate and setting then PS5
jm89
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Yeah why hire an architect like cerny when they can hire a pc gamer who can put together some off the shelf parts, cause that's all it takes to make a console.It took Cerny 4 years to build PS5.
It took me an afternoon to build my PC
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GymWolf
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Try lunch at taco bell and see how it goes.I am always underpowered at lunch. But after lunch, that's another story
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
So, not a "PC".
What took you so long? CPU cooler or the power switch jumper?It took Cerny 4 years to build PS5.
It took me an afternoon to build my PC
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Hudo
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Agreed. I don't know how that design got through Sony's industrial design group. They are usually quite good with their stuff.
feynoob
Banned
Yes, hence why we upgrade.
Braag
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Yeah why hire an architect like cerny when they can hire a pc gamer who can put together some off the shelf parts, cause that's all it takes to make a console.
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I need to brush up my cable management skills
skit_data
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Sony made av very wise decision to have Cerny be their system architect. They were also a bit lucky because there's probably not that many people that has the same first hand experience working from top to bottom of the development pipeline. It's quite enouraging to know he still keeps a foot inside actual development still as a producer, it's effevtively a live input from one of the most effective studios in the business.
I find his comments on developers going for 60fps and the usage of ray-tracing a bit funny tbh, mostly due to the context of him being the producer of Spider-Man 2.
Since it's one of the games that manages to check both those boxes in one single graphics mode it's like a subtle humble brag or something xD
I find his comments on developers going for 60fps and the usage of ray-tracing a bit funny tbh, mostly due to the context of him being the producer of Spider-Man 2.
Since it's one of the games that manages to check both those boxes in one single graphics mode it's like a subtle humble brag or something xD
Stooky
Banned
you can say that about any hardware that runs software
Kataploom
Gold Member
They did tho, PS5 performs as a 6600 XT at most, with dips due to very weak CPU and high latency RAM, which is great for graphics for not so much for CPU stuff.
In my opinion that is great because that means better cross compatibility with other systems, and in theory, better ports for PC but that ain't happening sometimes lol, I guess for engine engineers it's still way better to deal with less variables and with more similar ones in the systems.
In my opinion that is great because that means better cross compatibility with other systems, and in theory, better ports for PC but that ain't happening sometimes lol, I guess for engine engineers it's still way better to deal with less variables and with more similar ones in the systems.
Crayon
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I pretended I did so I didn't make him even angrier.
Clear
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They didn't.
A PC is not defined by its components. What defines the entire Wintel system concept are the standards and interfaces that connect and bind the components together.
Change them, and its no longer a "PC".
Hudo
Member
So Macs aren't PCs either?
midnightAI
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
and it took 0 seconds for you to get angry over a joke.Yeah why hire an architect like cerny when they can hire a pc gamer who can put together some off the shelf parts, cause that's all it takes to make a console.
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Bit rich coming from you.and it took 0 seconds for you to get angry over a joke.
midnightAI
Banned
Except for the custom CPU, custom GPU, custom audio chip, custom I/O, other than those you may be right
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Is an Amiga a Megadrive? Is an Atari ST an Apple Mac?
All 68k based systems, so interoperable at a binary level, all different.
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MAX PAYMENT
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They're just building low-end pcs instead.
Heaven Angel
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Cerny says building a console takes about four years, and nowadays that's less time than it takes to make some of the big AAA titles.
The industry should now focus on this issue. It desperately needs a proper upgrade. Cut costs, more efficient.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
With innovative hardware features.
SonGoku
Member
Next gen there will be a big push for path tracing i believe, and hopefully R* does some crazy interactive world to entice publishers to create more complex interactive worlds and AI
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This is what I want more so. More interactive worlds and insane physics with everything in the world. That will do more for graphics than shinier paint. Look how we were wowed at the physics from HL2 Source demos back in the day.
Dial that shit up to 1,000.
Dorago
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Running off an x86-64 AMD APU is the definition of low cost PC architecture. The PS3/360 era was the last time consoles were anything special with their custom RISC Power-PC architectures. The Steam Deck even has the same style APU that the console do. A real console will do it different.
MAX PAYMENT
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Like....?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The I/O structure.
LavitzSlambert
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Cerny is brilliant. I agree there is definitely a place for consoles, and I applaud his efforts in favor of making Playstation consoles dev-friendly. He definitely understands that some kind of exclusive feature needs to be part of a PS console in order to make devs choose it as their target platform. But if Sony confirms too closely to the generic PC spec and unique features aren't widely utilized, it only hurts their position as a platform owner. When given the choice, studios almost always choose whatever takes the least amount of effort to port - especially at times like these where dev costs get under control. Write once, run anywhere does not necessarily yield the best end-result.