ManaByte
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There's kind of five hours of a show that this is the continuation of.
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Marvel Studios' Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness | Illuminati teaser
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There's kind of five hours of a show that this is the continuation of.
Outpost #31
Member
Yes. This.
Was slightly annoyed by that.
They just should have called the MCU... Earth-2008 or... something.
Earth-616 = The original comics to me
Everything else like all the other old and new live-action stuff , other comics, cartoons, video-games are all other earths/realities.
Not a huge deal ofcourse but still slightly annoying and easily fixed by a single line of dialog.
Ulysses 31
Member
When she found out she was enslaving people of the town in WandaVision she didn't care enough to stop immediately so Wanda was already a bit of a lost cause...
ManaByte
Member
Calling it Earth-616 is kind of like saying it's the same Earth as the comics. Stupid.
Outpost #31
Member
Exactly
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I didn't read the comics so in my head "Earth 616" is synonymous with "Earth Prime" or the "main" Earth, not necessarily the exact same 616 as designated in the comic universe, since this is the MCU and not the comics.
ManaByte
Member
The comics have visited the MCU. In the comics it's Earth-199999.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
In that case, we have a conflict.
ikbalCO
Member
This movie is not good.
Saw it today and wow i am disappointed.
Imagine an after credits scene but for 2 hours.
Jokes dont land, scares dont scare, motives are not convincing.
After a bunch of marvel movies this is the one that i went, visiual effects are shit.
Editing is so bad, i got dizzy in few scene. A specially there is a scene where 2 characters are crossing the street where i count 15 camera cut in 10 seconds. Like, wtf?
I know fiege desperatly wants fox marvel franchises in the movie verse but i dont think this is the best way to that.
Scarlet witch was cool. She carries this movie and scenes with out her are dull and boring. Though her character arc ended in the dumbest way possible.
Very bad, bad movie. Not on the eternals level bad, but still bad.
You have been warned.
Saw it today and wow i am disappointed.
Imagine an after credits scene but for 2 hours.
Jokes dont land, scares dont scare, motives are not convincing.
After a bunch of marvel movies this is the one that i went, visiual effects are shit.
Editing is so bad, i got dizzy in few scene. A specially there is a scene where 2 characters are crossing the street where i count 15 camera cut in 10 seconds. Like, wtf?
I know fiege desperatly wants fox marvel franchises in the movie verse but i dont think this is the best way to that.
Scarlet witch was cool. She carries this movie and scenes with out her are dull and boring. Though her character arc ended in the dumbest way possible.
Very bad, bad movie. Not on the eternals level bad, but still bad.
You have been warned.
ManaByte
Member
I don't think you really saw the movie because this didn't bring any of the Fox characters into the MCU outside of non-canon multiverse variant cameos.
ikbalCO
Member
Well i did saw the movie and thought the whole illuminati part was there so that they can say
oh wow f4, look here isnt that xman kind of thing. And multiverse is the only tool they can integrate fox heroes to the current cinematic universe. I dont think they pulled off the landing.
The illuminati part did literally nothing to push the plot forward and was put in for a fan service. Nothing changes after that part and those scene have no effect in the ending we got.
sw going full psycho on them heroes was cool though and was one of the few saving grace of this convoluted mess of a movie
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SentientStone
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Watched it last night, didn’t like it since I never watched the Disney+ shows and most of the characters seem new and disconnected with me.
Don’t like the witch villain and the cheesy Raimi horror tropes and effects… feels corny, not dark enough. Same MCU formula of jokes inserted through the film, takes away any tension built.
I am drifting away from the MCU.
Don’t like the witch villain and the cheesy Raimi horror tropes and effects… feels corny, not dark enough. Same MCU formula of jokes inserted through the film, takes away any tension built.
I am drifting away from the MCU.
ikbalCO
Member
Yeah me too, we are really going back to the years when spider man movies are the only good comic book movies...
ManaByte
Member
The multiverse isn't the only way they can implement Fox characters. It's just the lazy way people on the internet would do it, which is why they're not making the movies. One of the upcoming movies introduces Doom and he's not from a different universe. Marvel's Fantastic Four movie starts filming next year and again it's not a multiverse thing.
Hell for Fox owned Madripoor as it's an X-Men country but they were able to include it in Falcon and Winter Soldier without needing to send them to a different universe.
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ikbalCO
Member
How would they explain that little thing called snap where future xman and f4 characters werent part of? Remember how lack of attendence hurt captain marvel and eternals? Because you can bring a new villian but bringing new heroes wont be that easy after 13+ years of movies and tvshows.
Also dude, how many hours of content i have to consume in order to enjoy one single fucking movie. I am caught up with the movies, watch them when they are released and all that and now i have to watch multiple hours/seasons of tv series aswell? This is getting crazy and require too much of audience's time which will end up killing this whole franchise in the long run.
They are already asking to much of time and attention and there will come a time where i miss a movie, cant catch up with a season and just give up.
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DKehoe
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I don't really like how this basically means Wanda was at the same point at the end of Wandavision as she was at the start. In Wandavision she did some irresponsible stuff with her powers to give herself a happy family life and in this she wants to do some irresponsible shit with her powers to give herself a happy family life. I get that the post-credits bit of Wandavision has her looking sinister and corrupted by the Darkhold so that was set up for this. But it just means that ending undermined what happened in Wandavision as a whole.
ManaByte
Member
How do you know who was or wasn't snapped?
ikbalCO
Member
I am guessing they were snapped in 2008, since we didnt see them in new york, civil war, infinity war, end game war etc.
Dude, they will multiverse the hell out of f4 and xmen. There is no other way.
ManaByte
Member
And that's why people on a video game message board on the internet aren't in charge of a $23 billion franchise.
ikbalCO
Member
Yes, a franchise that currently can not score a hit with out multiverse stuff.
Also, requirments for entry will be the death of this 23 billion usd franchise in the long run. Because no, nobody will be watching 10 tv series to catch up with a movie.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Best movie of Phase 4. Absolutely loved it.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
The MCU in the comics was given a designation of Earth-199999.
That's the official designation of the movie universe according to the comic books.
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HoodWinked
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Just watched it in IMAX3D I thought it was excellent. Really surprised by the mixed reaction.
You do get less of an impact if you didn't see Wandavision and what if... They're not required to understand the story but it makes the movie a whole lot more enjoyable if you did.
Sam Raimi elements were really fun, definitely will depend on you personal tastes. Because when I was younger the Spiderman 2 surgery scene with Doctor Octopus I thought was cheesy but now I appreciate it as a Raimi vehicle.
You do get less of an impact if you didn't see Wandavision and what if... They're not required to understand the story but it makes the movie a whole lot more enjoyable if you did.
Sam Raimi elements were really fun, definitely will depend on you personal tastes. Because when I was younger the Spiderman 2 surgery scene with Doctor Octopus I thought was cheesy but now I appreciate it as a Raimi vehicle.
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Raphael
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Which what ifs do i need to catch up on? I already seen wandavision
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FunkMiller
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It really ended with Endgame. That was the natural conclusion point for the story. All of this newer stuff is just grist for Disney’s money mill. It all feels a bit like an afterthought, narrative-wise.
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sol_bad
Member
It's not the same Black Bolt as the Black Bolt in the terrible ABC series. Just like Xavier in this is not the same Xavier as in the Fox films. They could easily use the same actor for Black Bolt in the MCU 616 universe whilst also recasting Xavier for the MCU 616. There are no rules when it comes to variants, they can recast and use the same actors wherever they want.
Disney/Marvel always let their directors do their thing so it shouldn't be surprised. People who say that every MCU looks and feels the same only pretend they know about cinema but they don't really.
If you like TV shows and the MCU but find the MCU TV shows a chore than I don't think these movies are for you. Time to give up now because if you really enjoyed the MCU you'd want to watch the TV shows. Sounds to me like you watch them just because everyone else does.
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ManaByte
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Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Deserved. Glad it's going to do well.
ikbalCO
Member
i am really having trouble understanding this take. no, i don't watch mcu movies because everyone else watches them, i watch them because they are all good fun and great excuse to enjoy some popcorn. i believe catering for people like me, mainstream audiance is the reason why this franchise had gotten so big and if they get back in to comic book route, i dont think they'll see big box office number after few years.
so i was right? they need multiverse stuff to make bank. thats what i was saying you know. also when i say they will, i am talking about long term.
mainstream wont be watching seasons after seasons of formulaic content to enjoy movies. thats a comic book mentality.
not everything has to be connected.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Well deserved
HoodWinked
Member
The Doctor Strange one ep4.
But they're not directly connected.
sol_bad
Member
You call the shows formulaic but haven't seen them.
And do you really think Thor Love and Thunder is going to fail? It does not contain any multiverse shenanigans at all.
ikbalCO
Member
Well, i didnt say i havent seen the shows. Watched vanda vision and loki. All i am saying is you can not expect people to watch hours of content to enjoy another thing. This is a gaming forum so most of us are into these sort of stuff already. But mainstream audiances? I dont know about that.
Thor was dead in the water before waititi and the only reason for love and thunder to be amazing is waititi himself. So yes next thor movie will be awsome, not because the whole mcu arc or lore but because waititi's vision.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Going to see it this evening. Pretty pumped. I enjoyed the first one a lot.
Decontamination Silo
Banned
The true star of this movie is that JLC Ultra Thin Moonphase
Badlucktroll
Member
Haven’t they been trying to get Peter Jackson to direct and MCU film, and DC film?
sol_bad
Member
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I can't wait for Thor Love And Thunder. It adapts one of my favorite storyline from the Thor comics.
My only worry is that since Taika is directing it, it won't be as dark as the story in the comics
I did love Thor Ragnarok
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sol_bad
Member
I'm assuming you have seen Jojo Rabbit? Have you seen Boy or Hunt for the Wilderpeople?
Taika can certainly do emotional and dramatic scenes. I too am concerned though, I really hope that Gorr is not jokey at all.
Sp3eD
0G M3mbeR
Just saw this today. I didn’t hate this movie but it would be fairly mid range in the pack for me. After the fantastic trailers maybe I hyped it too much up for myself.
And also I will not only echo some in here, but take it further…if you haven’t seen Wandavision I wouldn’t recommend seeing this movie. You miss like 4 or 5 huge details that the movie doesn’t do that great of job at catching you up on.
And lastly don’t take young kids to see this. I saw at least three walk outs because some of this stuff terrified them.
And also I will not only echo some in here, but take it further…if you haven’t seen Wandavision I wouldn’t recommend seeing this movie. You miss like 4 or 5 huge details that the movie doesn’t do that great of job at catching you up on.
And lastly don’t take young kids to see this. I saw at least three walk outs because some of this stuff terrified them.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Soodanim
Member
It is stupid and 616 stood out to me as wrong, but I’ve been thinking about this and the motivations for making MCU 616 make sense from the MCU’s point of view.
If the MCU designated itself anything but the main universe (which is what 616 is synonymous with), what they would be saying is “We aren’t the main universe”. It’s annoying to fans, but they want to be perceived as #1.
You could think of comics and MCU and different multiverses. It’s unfortunate in some ways and not consistent, but at least it allows them to play by different rules that don’t conflict.
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sol_bad
Member
I just see it as them being the main universe for the respective media that they are based around.
Comic and movie 616 are obviously separate things. But the 616 universe is the main universe for the comics. And the 616 universe is the main universe for the movies.
I'm fine with it. And the reason I'm fine with it is because if the MCU universe is ever in the comics, the movies will never mention or acknowledge that happening.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Comic books are the worst form of fiction when it comes to consistency and logic.
So as one universe dictates itself maybe another universe considers themselves as well.
And even in 616 comics there's constant retcons, inconsistencies, illogic, etc.
It's always been a huge mess and at this point I would not even attempt thinking about it.
So as one universe dictates itself maybe another universe considers themselves as well.
And even in 616 comics there's constant retcons, inconsistencies, illogic, etc.
It's always been a huge mess and at this point I would not even attempt thinking about it.
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ManaByte
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The MCU HAS been in the comics and it has its own universe designation already.
sol_bad
Member
And have the movies acknowledged it?
ManaByte
Member
No but it's going to be bad for the comics to have to acknowledge ANOTHER 616 if it ever shows up again after they gave it its own number already. And Feige is in charge of the comics now, he should've known this.
sol_bad
Member
Of course he knows.
The comics can keep calling the MCU universe whatever it's number is in the comics because that's for comic readers.
Meanwhile the MCU movies can stick with 616 because movie goers don't give a flying fuck about comics. No one will be confused.
If/when MCU characters show up in the comics again, it's not really the MCU characters because the films/shows will never acknowledge anything from the comics. The comics and MCU are two completely different cannons.
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sol_bad
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Do we know where the 40 million disappeared to for the international box office?
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