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Marvel vs Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds |OT2| Sold exclusively at Dollar Tree
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iAmMaximus
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Anyone have any tips on how to use iron man? I've gotten most of his basic bnb's down, but just not sure on how to approach him yet.
I know, I know...Sepiroth was blowing me up using that assist in conjunction with MODOK. Real easy to get in a rhythm and forget that ignoring Tron = losing your characterDR2K said:
I don't think that the assist would even lose that much by actually being vulnerable - it means that if I get an overhead, for example, and the opponent mashes out Tron before I hit, it just means that Tron gets blown up for a reckless assist call. Of the big 3 "get off me" assists - Hulk, Haggar and Tron - Tron is the easiest to use since its 99% invulnerable, it hits a crouching opponent, doesn't lose life for using, and is real easy to keep safe due to the fact it keeps the opponent in blockstun while she gets off screen. Hulk only gets super armour and is a lot harder to cover, and Haggar loses life and whiffs on a crouching opponent.
I'm not really that mad about it - I just think Tron would be a bit more balanced if she could be hit the instant before she spits fire.
DarkoMaledictus
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Is there a reason why there are no viper players? Her mixup and crazy speed can really blow up defenses!
Execution needed to perform her combos is extremely high, a lot of characters do rush down equally as good with a lot less execution needed, and they have a lot more leeway to do it too. She is also squishy as hell and meter intensive. It'll be a while before people figure her out. Then again, people in Marvel 2 thought Iceman was top tier, lol.DarkoMaledictus said:
also, iron man has the worst launcher in the game, what was Capcom thinking? The fact that it whiffs standing in a combo most of the time is hilariously bad. -_-
I wouldn't be surprised actually :lol. It's more the fact that your 700k BnB combo suddenly becomes 100k. And also for some reason they decided to not make it special OR super cancellable and only Team Super Cancellable. Does it even OTG? nevermind I'm just hurting my brain thinking about how bad this move isenzo_gt said:
"God's Beard!"
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Don't forget MODOK's crouch LSolune said:
Karsticles
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I hate having to do this while facing off against people who have used their teams since day 1... Ugh, so difficult to be happy with the characters we were given.
This is how you're supposed to input the move.
Realize that if Dormammu is controlling the fight, you are losing. If you are defensive for even a moment, you are failing. Constant, yet safe, pressure.
I get so tired of hearing this. His teleport has the same startup and recovery as every other teleport in the game.
Send me a friend request and I will. PSN is Karsticles.
Iron Man is the only character who you pretty much need to do a special move before doing his launcher, it's that shitty.
You have to do cr. L, cr.M, st.H Repulsar Blast, S. Repulsar pulls them in and puts it at a height that you can launch with. Or you can just tri dash in and try to launch after cr.M if the spacing is right. Normally you should just fish with the Repulsar as much as you can, it's probably his best move.
I have been saying this day 1, Iron Man has issues on his launcher and his cr.H is the most retarded thing in the game.
You have to do cr. L, cr.M, st.H Repulsar Blast, S. Repulsar pulls them in and puts it at a height that you can launch with. Or you can just tri dash in and try to launch after cr.M if the spacing is right. Normally you should just fish with the Repulsar as much as you can, it's probably his best move.
I have been saying this day 1, Iron Man has issues on his launcher and his cr.H is the most retarded thing in the game.
I am thinking of buying MK9 but is the combat engine good?
Last MK I enjoyed was UMK3 (MK Trilogy) because of the hilariously overpowered roster and touch of death combos. Game hasn't been the same since it went 3D, pretty much one bad game after the next. Since it went back to 2D I hoped that the combat is good now and they pretty much keeping the roster to the UMK3 veterans.
What says Marvel-GAF? Also online play is irrelevant to me and so is the "story". MK story is laughable at best, I don't understand the people in the MK thread saying this game has a good story mode or whatever. Maybe they mean the content...
Last MK I enjoyed was UMK3 (MK Trilogy) because of the hilariously overpowered roster and touch of death combos. Game hasn't been the same since it went 3D, pretty much one bad game after the next. Since it went back to 2D I hoped that the combat is good now and they pretty much keeping the roster to the UMK3 veterans.
What says Marvel-GAF? Also online play is irrelevant to me and so is the "story". MK story is laughable at best, I don't understand the people in the MK thread saying this game has a good story mode or whatever. Maybe they mean the content...
MK's story has a huge following. Makes me scratch my head but I knew a dude who posted on SF canon threads and that's even worse. I played it vs. some friends last night and I'd sum it up as mostly resembling MK3 in feel - move properties, stiffness, dial-a-combo, etc. Also reminded me of a worse controlling Tekken, which I'm guessing is what the 3D versions play like.
When Dante's at full screen distance, what can he threaten with besides TP, super and air fireball and, rarely, rockets? I'm probably forgetting 10 moves.
When Dante's at full screen distance, what can he threaten with besides TP, super and air fireball and, rarely, rockets? I'm probably forgetting 10 moves.
Karsticles
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Download the demo. I don't want to go on a rant about how awful the game feels, so I'll just encourage you to experience it yourself.
*Hysteric missiles - Tracks locationGrifter said:
*Grapple - Can use to start a combo
*Teleport
*Artemis Multilock, charged or uncharged. Charged version does insane damage and tracks but long to charge and he can't really do much with it unlike Zero's charge
*Fireworks (well not really full screen but it covers a large portion of the screen)
*Weasel Shot/Charged Shots
*LVL3 Hyper and Stinger ~ Bold cancel ~ Volcano cover about 3/4th screen which is pretty fucking insane. You would be surprised at the range that Dante can hit confirm into a combo using Stinger + Bold cancel.
*Air Guitar, charged version too but they both come out really slow
*LVL 1 hyper although it's stupid to use that raw
*Killer Bee although you should see it coming a mile away
*Jet Stream - Dante moves across the floor but no one is going to use it as a full screen punish because it has slow start up and is super punishable unless he cancels into Fireworks
*Air Raid. Probably his most devastating and reliable full screen attack but he has to be in DT to access this.
*Drive
He has more moves that can make him cover at least half screen or more (like Vortex). Even his normals cover so much space. Even with all these tools at his disposal to play a semi-zoning game, no one does it with Dante because he is all about the rushdown. Dante is always itching to land a combo on you, he doesn't want to play lame.
Dahbomb said:
That's what buying the game is for.
There are four characters and a small ladder. The combat system is weird. I've never really been into Mortal Kombat, so it's a learning process for me.
The fact that there's dial a combo/buffering, but also juggle/canceling offers a strange combination of unresponsiveness and strict timing (not really strict, just cancel timing)... for example, you dial a combo with a character, and it doesn't matter how fast you press it, the combo will come out. Which means that the character will continue to hit when you're not pressing buttons. But you need to cancel those those moves with a command normal and dash cancel into a special... or maybe into another dial a combo... and that will require timing.
sixteen-bit
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The MK demo is free like most demos (this isn't dissidia lol)Dahbomb said:
sixteen-bit
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As a Marvel fan, how are you liking it?MThanded said:
iAmMaximus
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Is Flash the only player that has a decent Iron Man?
Karsticles
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Believe it or not, this is not among my issues with the game.
4 characters, and I don't remember the demo size. Yeah, some things have been changed since the demo (like being able to infinite by spamming standing punch, LOL), but it's not like you have a new engine. Think of it was TGS build vs full copy MvC3. Yes, there are plenty of changes, but it's not like you'd play TGS, love MvC3, and then hate the full game. It's still the same game.
This is almost as bad as you wanting Sentinel's health to be nerfed.
Even having played UMK3 for years as a kid, I had to relearn a lot (except for Scorpion's inputs, I'll remember those forever). The most irritating thing is having to tap directions instead of having fluid motions like QCF. I think the game is actually harder on a stick than a pad.
"God's Beard!"
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Karsticles said:
Teleports are hard to gauge... I'm not sure how the frame data works for them, because it says Wesker has the slowest teleport in the game, and Dorm and Phoenix are the same(phoenix starts up faster, recovers slower).
Ultimoo said:
I like dial combos more than chains. Reminds me of the good times with Virtua Fighter.
Karsticles
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Phoenix's just seems faster to most people because she's usually in level 3 X-Factor when you see it happening, which gives her a speed boost, which reduces the startup and recovery. Yeah, Phoenix's is 3 frames faster on startup than Dormammu's, 3 frames slower recovery.
Honestly, if they dropped the speed boosts from X-Factor, it would solve a lot of problems in the game right now. Such a terrible idea.
Wesker's all have slightly different startup and recovery, but it's still within the same range (29 frames to 33 frames total, I think). Not really noteworthy.
sixteen-bit
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Kinda off topic, but since we were talking about MK anyway, FADC posted some footage of EMP killers playing MK9. Looks like Marvel and SF skill doesn't easily translate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grnJ0Fzgfjs&feature=channel_video_title
(yipes first-person commentary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grnJ0Fzgfjs&feature=channel_video_title
(yipes first-person commentary)
"God's Beard!"
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I play phoenix and dormammu, and phoenix's seems visibly faster. Maybe it's just the suddenness of the animation?Karsticles said:
"God's Beard!"
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I don't care much about the speed boost, I use lvl 2 x-factor more than lvl 3 anyway, since Thor has the best lvl 2 in the game and his combos drop in lvl 3 and he really likes having an assist anyway.
It feels more akin to a single plane version of soul calibur. The feel is more like a 3d game than a 2d game in that respect_dementia said:
I really like the game though. Best Mortal Kombat in a long time.
SF skills never translated well to MK. Having block on a button is a huge deal. Also MK always was dial a combo instead of cancels or links._dementia said:
"God's Beard!"
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What bothers me most about Mortal Kombat are the universal jumps and the lack of cross ups. It just feels weird. and seemingly? universal walk speed. That and the fact that there's basically no footsies despite being a 1v1 game. It's definitely more like virtua fighter or soul calibur in that the speed and angle of your moves are more important than the range. No low forward fireballs to punish the sweep in that game.
Prototype-03
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MThanded said:
Never say never. I thought that Tekken vs SF would never be possible.
SF x MK seems more obvious than SF x Tekken or MK vs DC. SF and MK both at least started their origin as 2D games and have continued that fighting engine. Both games have characters that can throw fireballs and do other fancy tricks that take advantage of the 2D plane.
Fatalities are a bit different issue. Would love to see Guile Sonic Hurricane someone and it rips them in pieces.
Fatalities are a bit different issue. Would love to see Guile Sonic Hurricane someone and it rips them in pieces.
Dash assist trick
A little video explaining the momentum from the character on point dashing transfers over to the assist as well, extending the range of assists and useful for characters who can't OTG.
I am sure most of you guys knew this but still putting it out there for those who are new to this. It's a pretty tricky mechanic to get a grasp of and one you sort of only pick up from lots of experimentation with timing for combos + assists.
A little video explaining the momentum from the character on point dashing transfers over to the assist as well, extending the range of assists and useful for characters who can't OTG.
I am sure most of you guys knew this but still putting it out there for those who are new to this. It's a pretty tricky mechanic to get a grasp of and one you sort of only pick up from lots of experimentation with timing for combos + assists.
Just dash (the 2 button method, not forward, forward) + assist. It's not really a "trick" or anything.
Though I normally press assist a bit later and it still works but yeah it is true that if you press an assist before dashing in he ends up behind you. Assist comes in relation to the point character.
Though I normally press assist a bit later and it still works but yeah it is true that if you press an assist before dashing in he ends up behind you. Assist comes in relation to the point character.
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