True, but you can play that match up really lame with homing tk shots, he absolutely can't get past them, in dark Phoenix mode it becomes hilarious, you can just do standing m tk shot and it comes out so fast he can't do anything, it stuffs his hyper sentinel force before it can start, and they come out so fast he can't really super jump. If he has a bad match up Phoenix has to be the worst.zlatko said:
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Darkman M said:
Lol, you gotta look at simply the fact that Sent has to touch her ONCE and it's over for her. Dark phoenix or regular. If a Phoenix is stupid and greedy enough to keep jumping into the air to do shots, he can just do a hard drive and catch her. If she wants to stay on the ground to shoot projectiles, he can just neutralize twice through it, or do one sentinel force towards her.
It's not as shitty of a match up as you think it is. When she's D.Phoenix it def. swings in her favor by a big amount, but again if you see the DP player is getting greedy to try and spam airjectiles with her to play keep away, then just hard drive her to death.
His worst match up I wager is actually Ama from what I've seen at higher level play. He can't get in on her, and she beats out his projectile game 100% clean. Plus her hypers can quickly punish Sentinel more if he wants to do random shit.
Edit: Are you SURE her L. Shot on ground beats out everything he does? Besides her medium is the fastest isn't it?
MarshMellow96
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hitsugi said:
I personally find this part quite interesting:
'MVC3's project actually started around the same time as SF4 about 5-6 years back, and it wasn't developed as an offspring of TatsuvsCap.'
Confirm or deny?
It does beg the question what the fuck having they been doing all that time, however..
crimzonflame
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hitsugi said:
+1. mmcafe used to be the first website I used to visit daily when I got home from school.
MarshMellow96 said:I personally find this part quite interesting:
'MVC3's project actually started around the same time as SF4 about 5-6 years back, and it wasn't developed as an offspring of TatsuvsCap.'
Confirm or deny?
It does beg the question what the fuck having they been doing all that time, however..
Working the details out on the licensing.
MarshMellow96
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MoxManiac said:
So about 4 years sorting out the licensing, 1 year dev?
or 2/3?
or 3/3 equal split?
I'm very intrigued. Then again, if development was begun around the time of SFIV, it would explain why it's quite featureless compared to SSIFV.
"God's Beard!"
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There's no way Wesker is top 3 when his air game is so weak.
Cap is special on my list in that his lack of weaknesses doesn't mean that he's as flexible as Trish or Mags. Defensively, he's pretty close to perfect. I don't have to worry about him being point because he has an answer to everything. Air L Shield Slash is an amazing zoning tool that stays out forever and has great frame advantage. Charging Star is a fantastic anti-projectile move. Stars and Stripes is a great reversal with solid invincibility. These qualities copy over to his hypers. His combos hit off of every situation, don't need meter and are universal. His shield slash assist is like a mini drones assist.
zlatko said:That list needs Deadpool. People are slouching on him too much. Guy has got it all going on.
I don't think Captain belongs on "no major weakness" list as I've yet to see or fight a good one that can keep people off him. Some lower health characters on that list, but that's not a big deal anymore since almost anyone can die now from their opponent starting their combo string. Zero, other than low health, has an insane amount of options and mix ups available. Marn has shown exactly what that character is capable of on point.
Cap is special on my list in that his lack of weaknesses doesn't mean that he's as flexible as Trish or Mags. Defensively, he's pretty close to perfect. I don't have to worry about him being point because he has an answer to everything. Air L Shield Slash is an amazing zoning tool that stays out forever and has great frame advantage. Charging Star is a fantastic anti-projectile move. Stars and Stripes is a great reversal with solid invincibility. These qualities copy over to his hypers. His combos hit off of every situation, don't need meter and are universal. His shield slash assist is like a mini drones assist.
Karsticles
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If you throw her, subsequent hits in that combo will disregard her armor.
Jump cancel them. There are 4 frames when you input a jump animation where you are still grounded. During those 4 frames, input another seismo.
I would love Rathalos, but I would love Blackheart even more.
It's not like X wouldn't win anyway. I didn't even waste a vote on a Megaman, just because I know it will be Classic or X.
I played about 100 matches with her this weekend, and I think I might do this. It's such a pain to get the hyper off at the start of the match against a Wolverine backed by Sentinel's assist or something similar. I feel like this game shouldn't allow you to move before the match, because rushdown is already so strong, it's frustrating that zoners are essentially forced to start with a disadvantage.
Capcom claims that the 3D graphics change everything. Everyone else says they're wrong; believe who you want. This is also the reason Capcom says GGPO wouldn't really work with the game.
You can cancel it into Devil Trigger, too, and then teleport to cross-up.
I tried this last night, and the result was a dead Hsien-ko. She did get that hit in, though.
I think it's mostly due to a combination of people still being new to the game, hype from MvC2 tier conceptions, and his assist, which is among the best in the game.
Niitsuma said 3 years were for pre-game development time (negotiating contracts, deciding the roster, etc.), and 3 years were for actual game development.'MVC3's project actually started around the same time as SF4 about 5-6 years back, and it wasn't developed as an offspring of TatsuvsCap.'
Confirm or deny?
It does beg the question what the fuck having they been doing all that time, however..
sixteen-bit
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old and fake, as much as I'd love to see my boy Strider.Bebpo said:
MarshMellow96
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Karsticles said:
Do you have anything further on its development (i.e. good interviews, etc)?
MarshMellow96 said:I personally find this part quite interesting:
'MVC3's project actually started around the same time as SF4 about 5-6 years back, and it wasn't developed as an offspring of TatsuvsCap.'
Confirm or deny?
It does beg the question what the fuck having they been doing all that time, however.
This is a speculation post I made some pages back:
I just don't think the team saw it as an important feature early enough in its development to work it in, which is myopic, but reasonable.
MarshMellow96
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Kimosabae said:
It does make sense in context. It will be interesting to see if it ever gets one, nonetheless.
It just miss BB:CS's training mode, personally.
Karsticles
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It was during the flurry of interviews we got prior to release - I didn't save it. Niitsuma didn't say much other than what I said above, and that the game was in the works independently of SFIV and TvC; neither of those games helped get MvC3 made. However, he did say that their success helped because corporate didn't get worried and cut MvC3's funding midway.
The interview as I recall it was in a foreign language - it seems like foreign gaming magazines always ask better questions than US ones. Or maybe Niitsuma just likes to give them better answers...
I know Capcom likes to stress that this game has had some obnoxiously long development cycle, but it really only lasted for less than two years.
Actual development started sometime in 2009 (this has been repeated over and over by Niitsuma in various interviews) and finished in late 2010. Hell, according to the August 13 blog post by Akihito Kadowaki, the first two character models that the art team fooled around with were Ryu and Captain America and this wasn't until the summer of 2009!
So yeah, in terms of actual programming and whatnot, MvC3 was in development for sometime between one-and-a-half and two years.
Actual development started sometime in 2009 (this has been repeated over and over by Niitsuma in various interviews) and finished in late 2010. Hell, according to the August 13 blog post by Akihito Kadowaki, the first two character models that the art team fooled around with were Ryu and Captain America and this wasn't until the summer of 2009!
So yeah, in terms of actual programming and whatnot, MvC3 was in development for sometime between one-and-a-half and two years.
Rocky_Balboa
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Today I finished the arcade mode about 6 or 7 times without any ranked fights. Then finally when I challenger comes, it is a run away Akuma, Sentinel, Phoenix team. He ran away and tried to get 5 levels and then go for the phoenix. Sad part is that he didn't know how to play, but still had about 70% winrate. Probably just because of Dark Phoenix and Sentinel. Even though I won 2of3 matches (I kept getting him since seems like no one else was playing the game), I still couldn't enjoy it. This is what MvC3 is to me right now. Win or lose, you'll be pissed.
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Yeah, yesterday I had two successful "run away from regular pheonix for 60 seconds" match. At a professional level that's suicide, but online, they have no clue how to get in. I mean they'll teleport, but since that's pretty much all they can do, you're always ready for it.
Still waiting to play this game on my own. Got to fool around with it at a friend's. Bought a copy off Amazon with disastrous results. The seller sent an empty box, yah that's right. When I contacted him it was like "my bad" - now he is doing a refund (who knows how long that will take) instead of sending out the copies he still has listed.
Prototype-03
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Rocky_Balboa said:
Why not play with gaffers?
Does anyone else think X-Factor could be easily improved by either: 1) removing the increase in damage from level 1-3, but keeping the increase in time; or, 2) removing the increase in time from level 1-3, but keeping the increase in damage?
Very easy changes, still allows for "comeback" ability, keeps the versatility of X-Factor, but isn't exponentially stronger as you increase in level.
Very easy changes, still allows for "comeback" ability, keeps the versatility of X-Factor, but isn't exponentially stronger as you increase in level.
Karsticles
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I would rather X-Factor just be a Roman Cancel that costs 1 bar of meter.
Still kinda early to say. X factor would STILL kill 2 characters instantly if used correctly and would still make a 3 on 1 situation not seem bleak.
I think they need to look more at certain characters instead of X-factor itself. Like balance on the properties certain character receives.
I would also suggest toning down the additional block damage one received on X Factor. It is borderline disgusting, you are essentially forced to use your own to deal with it.
There are many ways to "tone down" X factor but you have to realize that 1) X factor is only available once in the game and 2) It is equally available to both players. If they use X Factor to kill your 2 characters instantly (like catching an assist and point character at the same time) then you get to use your LVL3 X Factor. If they "alpha counter" your block string with X Factor Cancel to punish you then you activate yours to counter their counter. If they X Factor to chip you to death, then you activate yours to negate X Factor.
X Factor undeniably adds another level of depth and strategy to the game. It's fittingly "Mahvel".
I think they need to look more at certain characters instead of X-factor itself. Like balance on the properties certain character receives.
I would also suggest toning down the additional block damage one received on X Factor. It is borderline disgusting, you are essentially forced to use your own to deal with it.
There are many ways to "tone down" X factor but you have to realize that 1) X factor is only available once in the game and 2) It is equally available to both players. If they use X Factor to kill your 2 characters instantly (like catching an assist and point character at the same time) then you get to use your LVL3 X Factor. If they "alpha counter" your block string with X Factor Cancel to punish you then you activate yours to counter their counter. If they X Factor to chip you to death, then you activate yours to negate X Factor.
X Factor undeniably adds another level of depth and strategy to the game. It's fittingly "Mahvel".
Alien Manobo
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Been a while since I played online with any GAFfers. Anyone up for a match against a scrub like myself?
PSN: alien_manobo
PSN: alien_manobo
Luckydude23
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Desk put up some Viper combo vid earlier and it was so SICK. I'm going to really love Viper, but people gotta put in work with her. Not the kind of character that you can do basic shit, and win. Very technical character. Needs SERIOUS work.
MarshMellow96 said:
I find it funny people were thinking they said they would put it in. From the beginning I was saying that I'd be surprised if it made it in, people swore up and down it'd be patched in with no confirmation where they got this info. We've been shown time and time against capcom doesn't really care about patching a game for features/balance. They will though sell you a nice new game with those said features.
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Ferrio said:
this.
Pai Pai Master
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I don't recall them ever saying they would. Seems to be something people got from some unknown source and claimed it was fact straight from Capcom, similar to how everyone thought the DLC character poll was something official from the team when it was just a forum thing.
zlatko said:
Ugh I hate this thing that Q does with task that I eat every time. He has this wicked range on his jumping attack. I'll try to get in, he'll jump back and attack. Even with jumping backwards momentum, soon as he lands he can continue the combo into something really nasty. I keep wanting to try and kara my slides into my throws, but usually i miss the kara, or time it wrong and i eat a sword
sixteen-bit
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I have a feeling the comeback ability of X-Factor will decrease dramatically once people learn how to block correctly.GatorBait said:
corrosivefrost
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Pai Pai Master said:
When people started bitching and harassing Seth K about it, he said it was something that was being looked into. I don't recall any actual promises being made though, just assumptions that capcom would do the right thing and add what should have been in the game from the start.
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Just played a few 360 matches with a gaffer since PS3 chat was empty and holy crap it was good fun.
GAF IRC chat makes it even better. I gotta get me some more of that action instead of the random ranked stuff.
GAF IRC chat makes it even better. I gotta get me some more of that action instead of the random ranked stuff.
Posting the link for the GAF IRC for the XBL chaps that don't know it:
http://03.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=#gafranbats&server=irc.globalgamers.net
http://03.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=#gafranbats&server=irc.globalgamers.net
_dementia said:
Trouble is you take a shit load of damage even when blocking. Also when it's a lvl 3, and someone is barrelling down on you with trijumps, teleports and what not... all it takes is one fuck up and you're a gonner. 100% defense during some of that sheningans is asking a lot.
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Dahbomb said:
I think as people keep playing it, there will be less people using it as a last resort. There will be some characters (read: Phoenix) that is almost essential to the gameplay, but a lot of people will find for other uses. I've already started to keep players away from touching the floor once their last character comes out to keep them from activating the X-Factor and once they do, some of those characters are REALLY easy to zone.
I mean, undeniably, some of those level 3 XF are worth saving, but I'm also sure that there will be a lot more uses than just for comebacks.
edit: Also, I use Ammy, whose lvl 3 blows. If she's still alive and my second character is about to die, if I can, I will always activate the X-Factor. X-factor on ammy is almost worthless.
sixteen-bit
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Sounds just like high level Marvel 2 to meFerrio said:
Slamtastic
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Just because they aren't purchase deciding issues doesn't mean we aren't entitled to be upset at little issues in our products we paid good money for.Fersis said:
Karsticles
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It was originally said in a magazine's review of the game. Many people took/take the magazine's statement to be sourced from Capcom. Then, on Capcom-Unity, one of the moderators repeated the statement that it would be patched in a Stickied thread. Finally, Seth Killian said it was something they would possibly look into in the future. Thus the rumor spreads.
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