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sixteen-bit
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why did it take so long for someone to say this?Darkman M said:
Lost Fragment
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Kind of weird to be arguing that Sentinel should have low health because it makes sense canonically, while Phoenix can be killed by an 8 year old riding a robot and a dude with a flamethrower in his pocket.
gundamkyoukai
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Never really had a problem with sent but this makes it easier to kill him if he fucks up.
I wonder what else this patch did to the chars.
I wonder what else this patch did to the chars.
Lost Fragment
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gundamkyoukai said:
I read that Dorm's lvl 3 does like 60k more damage.
gundamkyoukai
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Ferrio said:
Yep i hate when they change stuff and not tell us .
Video evidence of Sentinel nerf. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ixO4iG4NLSU
905k health.
905k health.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Two things brought up elsewhere that people really should stop and consider right now before running off half-cocked:
1. PSN/XBL patches do not get approved overnight. They typically have 3 - 6 week lead times at best, unless you are a first-party development team and get fast tracked. That means that this adjustment to Sent's health was almost certainly not reactionary. It wasn't because of whining of online players. If anything, it seems more possible in this context that the adjustment was something the team decided on when finalizing balance, but could not adjust files on the gold disc.
People have been demanding X features since day one, but even if the team completed those features within a week of request, it would still take weeks for the patch to be deployed.
2. Adjusting health is probably the simplest, and safest thing, that can be adjusted in the game. It is much more drastic and unwise to casually adjust hit boxes, frame properties, invisible switches like gravity and fall characteristics, and even damage; all these can totally screw up and later a character's style. But health is merely how much you get punished for screwing up and taking a hit - plus how many other characters have a 100% damage combo that is applicable to the affected character.
It has already been pointed out that even with many characters now able to easily get in on Sent, Sent's high health can still be a real drag in the match; because Sent can survive a few stupid screw ups, and many characters have to get in multiple times to kill him off, even if it's not that hard to do.
Of all the changes they could make to the game this early, tweaking Sentinel's health is honesty the most basic and even most obvious; and like stated above, was probably something decided on before the game even hit the shelves. If that's the case, we're only seeing Sentinel the way they intended now, instead of on day 1. Might explain a few things.
Hell, as far as I'm concerned it's a good thing to get this out of the way right now; a lot of people like playing Sentinel not because he's easy or to rack up mindless wins, but because they like the style and tactics (actual tactics, not noob shit). However, there's no denying even if you want to play Sent "correctly" and not lame everything out, you still are enjoying sitting on a nice big damage sponge. Now, there's risk involved to require playing Sentinel well. We'll see how it goes.
1. PSN/XBL patches do not get approved overnight. They typically have 3 - 6 week lead times at best, unless you are a first-party development team and get fast tracked. That means that this adjustment to Sent's health was almost certainly not reactionary. It wasn't because of whining of online players. If anything, it seems more possible in this context that the adjustment was something the team decided on when finalizing balance, but could not adjust files on the gold disc.
People have been demanding X features since day one, but even if the team completed those features within a week of request, it would still take weeks for the patch to be deployed.
2. Adjusting health is probably the simplest, and safest thing, that can be adjusted in the game. It is much more drastic and unwise to casually adjust hit boxes, frame properties, invisible switches like gravity and fall characteristics, and even damage; all these can totally screw up and later a character's style. But health is merely how much you get punished for screwing up and taking a hit - plus how many other characters have a 100% damage combo that is applicable to the affected character.
It has already been pointed out that even with many characters now able to easily get in on Sent, Sent's high health can still be a real drag in the match; because Sent can survive a few stupid screw ups, and many characters have to get in multiple times to kill him off, even if it's not that hard to do.
Of all the changes they could make to the game this early, tweaking Sentinel's health is honesty the most basic and even most obvious; and like stated above, was probably something decided on before the game even hit the shelves. If that's the case, we're only seeing Sentinel the way they intended now, instead of on day 1. Might explain a few things.
Hell, as far as I'm concerned it's a good thing to get this out of the way right now; a lot of people like playing Sentinel not because he's easy or to rack up mindless wins, but because they like the style and tactics (actual tactics, not noob shit). However, there's no denying even if you want to play Sent "correctly" and not lame everything out, you still are enjoying sitting on a nice big damage sponge. Now, there's risk involved to require playing Sentinel well. We'll see how it goes.
ProtoCents
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dankir said:Watch they bring Ammy's health down to 400k and give her a Level 5 resurrection super where she comes back as Amaterasu in human form
Jesus fucking FUCK! Spoiled
sixteen-bit
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Not surprised. Zero glitch is still in too.Threi said:
Karsticles
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We've had the game for 5 weeks, and Sentinel was complained about since day 1 by bad players. Capcom-Unity has had dozens of Suggestions made demanding that he be nerfed, and he is hated all over their forums.
Even if this was a long-intended change, if Capcom had any sense of decency they would have nixed it in favor of seeing how the character plays out in the long run. Furthermore, it seems highly unlikely that there was only one major health-related change they didn't have time to implement, it was Sentinel, and it was a 400,000 health difference, or about 30% of what he has. All signs point toward Capcom caving in to mass scrubdom.
Oldschoolgamer
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dankir said:I'm busting out the nerd logic here, but he's just a robot, Wolverine tears through Sentinels like 8 times his size
Anyways there's going to be an official list right? I want to see what other good wholesome changes that were made.
Magneto should have an instant win on Wolverine and X-23! Hyper Grav should pull them in, even on block!
I dunno how I feel about a nerf this soon. There are a bunch of glass cannons in this game.
notworksafe
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Um, no.ProtoCents said:Jesus fucking FUCK! Spoiled
ThatCrazyGuy
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Health nerf was the wrong nerf for Sent. Weird.
Anyways, like as stated, Patches have to be submitted some time prior to release. So this was probably submitted a month/ to 2 weeks ago to be out by now.
Maybe they were sick of seeing Sent that first week.
Anyways, like as stated, Patches have to be submitted some time prior to release. So this was probably submitted a month/ to 2 weeks ago to be out by now.
Maybe they were sick of seeing Sent that first week.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Sent was kind of crazy anyways, lots of close and far options that do good damage and with the most life in the game.,
Good nerf.
Good nerf.
I hope people understand that most likely these changes have been planned for a while. I'd assume this was done from whatever the testers have found, as I'm sure they've been playing this game for quite sometime now. Not because people have been whining for the past few weeks --just saying.
GotchaForce
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Kimosabae said:
Wow. My scrub comment was based on how most people on forums say that Sentinel is not a huge problem, but what they mean is not for them or top level players. I've nearly a thousand online matches under my belt, I check SRK every day and I've watched every major MVC3 tournament and Wednesday night fights streamed. The majority of players have Sentinel on their teams, from my experience. I'm tired of seeing the giant tugboat battles a good deal of these matches turn into. I'm glad Capcom has done something about it. See it this way: elite players will still use him as a godly assist and damage dealer, casuals will see him as less of a threat and you'll see less of him in favor of more characters. Win/win, right?
FreedomFrisbee
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Really, it makes sense that Sentinal gets a nerf. He's one of the few characters who didn't get public play tested beforehand.
the_log_ride
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Put me in the group of people that think some of these changes seem premature, and question why the glitches / infinites that were made apparent by Desk were not addressed yet.
Time to peruse SRK to see what they've tweaked.
Time to peruse SRK to see what they've tweaked.
FreedomFrisbee said:
Agreed. The latest additions to the roster were the likeliest candidates, which would be Hsien-ko and Sent.
Sent has been nerfed, but it's not crippling to him. Sent users just won't get away with doing stupid shit all the time now. He has average health, so he has to actually use caution instead of shrugging off damage. His greatest strength, his horrifying damage output, sounds like it's intact.
SolarPowered
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I just caught up with the thread and I can't believe Capcom actually went ahead with this. A lot of people are going to be super salty in the coming weeks haha. Anyone who honestly believed that it was just perfect the way it was are definitely smoking some of that good stuff. It was not that bad, but it certainly had way too much health.
They probably could have kept it an even 1million, but this is good too. All they need now is an online mode patch, a spectator mode patch and an x-factor patch for the good stuff.
Give us spectator mode. Everything else is just an a small step towards the most important of the missing features.
They probably could have kept it an even 1million, but this is good too. All they need now is an online mode patch, a spectator mode patch and an x-factor patch for the good stuff.
Give us spectator mode. Everything else is just an a small step towards the most important of the missing features.
LeMaximilian
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Marvel Vs Capcom 3: The Online Warrior Episode 2 is up!
The full video playlist is here too, http://tinyurl.com/4tbxcxk
Much appreciated the positive feedback from the first one. Working hard to try and make each one better.
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The first thing I checked after Sentinel was Hsien-Ko. It seems like buffs will probably be one of the last things they'll apply. I don't blame them honestly. It'll be easier for everyone if cuts come first.Ferrio said:Where do you think that health went!
I wish
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