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JORMBO said:
My work is bringing 10% of the people back into the office mid May. They have to sit several cubicles apart, must wear masks and do meetings via conference call/screen share. What's the point of going back to an office if you have to avoid people and wear an uncomfortable mask all day? Should just keep everyone working at home if those are the rules. Luckily they are only taking volunteers for now so I can avoid that.
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A lot of companies are looking at gradually bringing the work force back. In order to do so, there are processes and protocol, as well as new guidelines that need to be put in place.

I suspect the reason why it's 10% and volunteer basis only is so that they can start to vette out the new processes, find and address gaps around safety, so that a finalized set of standards can be established that can be scaled.
 
rykomatsu said:
A lot of companies are looking at gradually bringing the work force back. In order to do so, there are processes and protocol, as well as new guidelines that need to be put in place.

I suspect the reason why it's 10% and volunteer basis only is so that they can start to vette out the new processes, find and address gaps around safety, so that a finalized set of standards can be established that can be scaled.
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Well said.

I work in a restaurant in Florida and the amount of ways to respond to being open at 25% capacity absolutely blow my mind; Things change so much at a constant rate that it's not so much finding a solution to a problem no one has faced before, it's forcing everyone on staff to adjust to new problems and procedures on a daily basis.

Needless-to-say I've volunteered any help I can to my managing partner who just got her first restaurant six months ago and now has to juggle keeping ~300 employees happy and paid in these strange times.
 
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Zefah said:
These condescending mother fuckers...

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I HATE THIS GUY (if you want to use that word) There must be more to Ireland... DAN DIS!!!

Show me the graphs!
 
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cryptoadam said:
For my video.

Looks like we are seeing blood clotting in cases. Testing for blood clotting is difficult and can introduce other complications. So some doctors might just have to make a choice of to treat or not with blood thinners.

Just some more signs that this virus has a lot more tricks up its sleeve.
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hariseldon said:
That would make sense with the strokes we're seeing in kids.
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This is again such a non-topic that it is being picked up by the media for more clicks. Just type "influenza stroke" into Google and you'll get more than enough articles and studies proving that the flu can also lead to blood clots and strokes. Unfortunately, this can be a very normal side effect of such a disease. COVID-19 does not have the exclusive right to do so.



Zefah said:
These condescending mother fuckers...

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It's not that Sweden has done nothing about the virus.

Keeping your distance, visiting bans, frequent hand washing, school closures at municipal level, home office if possible, avoiding large gatherings (everything over 50 is prohibited), visiting bans in nursing homes, distance controls in restaurants and bars and many more.

If you ask me, this all sounds very similar to many other countries. But the media is quite good at focusing on the things that Sweden does differently on paper, like no official school closures nationwide or no general closures of certain shops.

Last but not least, you have to use common sense to take into account the population density of the countries. This alone statistically reduces the strong spread of a virus in Sweden. If other countries suddenly only had the population density of Sweden, then this alone would reduce the spread of the virus there significantly in statistical terms.

Here are some comparable figures on population density:

Sweden: 23
Netherlands: 501
Belgium: 373
UK: 272
Germany: 233
France: 105
Spain: 73
 
betrayal said:
This is again such a non-topic that it is being picked up by the media for more clicks. Just type "influenza stroke" into Google and you'll get more than enough articles and studies proving that the flu can also lead to blood clots and strokes. Unfortunately, this can be a very normal side effect of such a disease. COVID-19 does not have the exclusive right to do so.





It's not that Sweden has done nothing about the virus.

Keeping your distance, visiting bans, frequent hand washing, school closures at municipal level, home office if possible, avoiding large gatherings (everything over 50 is prohibited), visiting bans in nursing homes, distance controls in restaurants and bars and many more.

If you ask me, this all sounds very similar to many other countries. But the media is quite good at focusing on the things that Sweden does differently on paper, like no official school closures nationwide or no general closures of certain shops.

Last but not least, you have to use common sense to take into account the population density of the countries. This alone statistically reduces the strong spread of a virus in Sweden. If other countries suddenly only had the population density of Sweden, then this alone would reduce the spread of the virus there significantly in statistical terms.

Here are some comparable figures on population density:

Sweden: 23
Netherlands: 501
Belgium: 373
UK: 272
Germany: 233
France: 105
Spain: 73
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It is almost the same. Just let all the people , they can't except that life has changed for maybe forever. With some this process will take time, and some won't ever.
 
betrayal said:
This is again such a non-topic that it is being picked up by the media for more clicks. Just type "influenza stroke" into Google and you'll get more than enough articles and studies proving that the flu can also lead to blood clots and strokes. Unfortunately, this can be a very normal side effect of such a disease. COVID-19 does not have the exclusive right to do so.





It's not that Sweden has done nothing about the virus.

Keeping your distance, visiting bans, frequent hand washing, school closures at municipal level, home office if possible, avoiding large gatherings (everything over 50 is prohibited), visiting bans in nursing homes, distance controls in restaurants and bars and many more.

If you ask me, this all sounds very similar to many other countries. But the media is quite good at focusing on the things that Sweden does differently on paper, like no official school closures nationwide or no general closures of certain shops.

Last but not least, you have to use common sense to take into account the population density of the countries. This alone statistically reduces the strong spread of a virus in Sweden. If other countries suddenly only had the population density of Sweden, then this alone would reduce the spread of the virus there significantly in statistical terms.

Here are some comparable figures on population density:

Sweden: 23
Netherlands: 501
Belgium: 373
UK: 272
Germany: 233
France: 105
Spain: 73
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That's what i'm trying to explain. Only because Sweden is somewhat able to do it, does not mean other countries are able to. Also, if for some unknown reason, they find a threatmend in a month, they have to explain the thousand famalies, why they haven't been stricter.

Now, it's still too soon. We'll see.
 
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betrayal said:
This is again such a non-topic that it is being picked up by the media for more clicks. Just type "influenza stroke" into Google and you'll get more than enough articles and studies proving that the flu can also lead to blood clots and strokes. Unfortunately, this can be a very normal side effect of such a disease. COVID-19 does not have the exclusive right to do so.





It's not that Sweden has done nothing about the virus.

Keeping your distance, visiting bans, frequent hand washing, school closures at municipal level, home office if possible, avoiding large gatherings (everything over 50 is prohibited), visiting bans in nursing homes, distance controls in restaurants and bars and many more.

If you ask me, this all sounds very similar to many other countries. But the media is quite good at focusing on the things that Sweden does differently on paper, like no official school closures nationwide or no general closures of certain shops.

Last but not least, you have to use common sense to take into account the population density of the countries. This alone statistically reduces the strong spread of a virus in Sweden. If other countries suddenly only had the population density of Sweden, then this alone would reduce the spread of the virus there significantly in statistical terms.

Here are some comparable figures on population density:

Sweden: 23
Netherlands: 501
Belgium: 373
UK: 272
Germany: 233
France: 105
Spain: 73
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This is kind of disingenuous, since most of the people in Sweden living on the south and most of the country is a "barren wasteland" or Canada type of thing. I am not saying that Sweden is good at this at all, just point out some fact.
 
Rbk_3 said:
www.washingtontimes.com

Greta Thunberg launches campaign to fight coronavirus

Climate activist Greta Thunberg is launching a campaign with a Danish foundation to help finance the U.N. childrens’ agency’s emergency program to fight the coronavirus pandemic.
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Looks like she is actually putter her money where her mouth is.
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Great.

Instead of speaking authoritatively on just one topic she knows nothing about, she's adding another topic.
 
M1chl said:
This is kind of disingenuous, since most of the people in Sweden living on the south and most of the country is a "barren wasteland" or Canada type of thing. I am not saying that Sweden is good at this at all, just point out some fact.
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Stockholm, the largest city in Sweden, has 1,5 million inhabitants. All 61 cities combined in Sweden have fewer inhabitants than many individual cities in Europe alone. Even the south is far from being densely populated when compared to other European countries.
 
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betrayal said:
Stockholm, the largest city in Sweden, has 1,5 million inhabitants. All 61 cities combined in Sweden have fewer inhabitants than many individual cities in Europe alone. Even the south is far from being densely populated when compared to other European countries.
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Sure I am not dening that, but that south is pretty packed in comparison to the more northern areas. Our capital city is also very close in inhabitans at 1 mil people yet our inhabitant density is above 100 per km2. Here is what I meant:


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M1chl said:
Sure I am not dening that, but that south is pretty packed in comparison to the more northern areas. Our capital city is also very close in inhabitans at 1 mil people yet our inhabitant density is above 100 per km2. Here is what I meant:


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This is true, but even the most densely populated areas are quite sparsely populated compared to many other regions in the world and the areas with the highest numbers are very few and very small compared to other countries. I understand what you're saying, but nonetheless Sweden has much better demographic conditions to contain such a virus.
 
Zefah said:
These condescending mother fuckers...

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Its funny that information against WHO recommendations needs to be censored, but they have continually gotten things wrong and changed their tune.

So basically if you made a video saying that there is Human to Human transmission, to wear masks, to go for herd immunity, that after getting the virus you are immune and don't get reinfected, and to do looser lockdowns you would be removed off of YouTube and other social media.

Can those 2 doctors get their video put back up now? I didn't agree with their BS numbers but they basically said what the WHO is saying.
 
Newport Beach voted 5 to 2 I think to keep beaches open here. M ManaByte You see that ass hat today is going to overturn everyone and say it's all closed. HB is going to have protest tomorrow down town. What a mess this whole thing is. Target is freaking packed. Costco.. Smart n Final... all of this stuff is packed.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Don't go outside in fresh air. Don't you fucking dare!
 
Fun Fanboy said:
Newport Beach voted 5 to 2 I think to keep beaches open here. M ManaByte You see that ass hat today is going to overturn everyone and say it's all closed. HB is going to have protest tomorrow down town. What a mess this whole thing is. Target is freaking packed. Costco.. Smart n Final... all of this stuff is packed.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Don't go outside in fresh air. Don't you fucking dare!
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Don't you dare question God King Newsom
 
Fun Fanboy said:
Newport Beach voted 5 to 2 I think to keep beaches open here. M ManaByte You see that ass hat today is going to overturn everyone and say it's all closed. HB is going to have protest tomorrow down town. What a mess this whole thing is. Target is freaking packed. Costco.. Smart n Final... all of this stuff is packed.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Don't go outside in fresh air. Don't you fucking dare!
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People on FB in CA have been posting pics of their AKs and ARs and saying "Lets roll", but FB has been taking down the posts.
 
Look this shit up for yourself if you want

European mortality peaked at Week 15 (April 6th-12th). Sweden data did show a bump, but it peaked in Week 15 as well, which seems to indicate that whatever they weren't doing had a comparable effect on this disease to what everyone else was doing. However none of this was too much out of line with historical Jan/Dec respiratory mortality for really bad years.
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If you are getting your data from Worldometers, be aware that you are probably fooling yourself about peak time, as their graphs show data when reported. The individual country numbers will often show the same data, but properly backdate deaths to when they occurred. Here are two graphs for Sweden, showing exactly the same data. The first is worldometer, the second is the official Sweden source page it uses.
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TLDR; just the flu after all. Sorry about your economy.
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I really wonder if the virus just followed a natural course.

Most countries that are close to each other seem to be following the same pattern of peaks and declines.

I think mitigation did help some because of course if the virus has less people to jump to its going to go down, but is it possible its just following a natural course, peaked and is now coming down? Or even that because of all the asymptomatic infected that places are just a lot closer to herd immunity thus decrease the virus R0 naturally?
 
Macron and his cronies are going for it on the 11 of May. (France)

The bullshit is already flowing regarding new cases and testing, with even sites like worldometer calling them out for passing numbers on cases and tests that are not true or don't correspond with the department of healths numbers. Less than two weeks ago they had some of the scientists that advise the government on tv saying that sending the kids back to school was an experiment to see how much they spread it around. With one coffin dodging, shaky old cunt saying that he wont be seeing his grankids for a while. I won't be sending my kids back to school that is for sure. If they want to do experiments, perhaps we could start by throwing them off of progressively higher buildings to determine which height is guranteed to end their lives... We can start with the granny fucking president first.

8 weeks of lockdown for nothing. The way things are going, we will be coming out of lockdown with more new daily cases than we went into lockdown with! The incompetence of that utter cunt is astounding. Instead of looking at Asia for how to tame this, they just shut up shop and hoped it would all go away. 5 times now since mid-march I have had to go shopping, and only once I have been stopped and had my paperwork checked by the Police. I went today, and there were fucking families alll together. Not kids either. The fines that they threatened quarantine breakers with where pathetic. They should have looked at SK for how much they fine people if you want a proper detterant. No curfew, no drafting in of the Army to help out if need be. Nothing at all.

Yeah, it sounds authoritarian I know. But an 8 - 10 week one and done STRICT quarantine would have had us coming out of this with new cases potentially under 3 digits a day. Which would then be easier to track/trace and contain. Now though...... We are still around 1500 - 2000 mark. And that is if they are being honest. Like I said, we have already been in lockdown since the 16th of March. They should have been a lot stricter.

Part of their deconfinement strategy will include a map of red and green zones. Red = Bad Green = Good.

I live in the first epicenter area (look up coronavirus Oise France. I am 5 mins from Crepy-en-Valois). Because this area is near to Paris and lots of people work there, they was on tv last night bending themselves into human pretzels to justify making our area a green zone.

They are also claiming that part of deconfinement will be to go to 700k tests per week. The useless cunts have not even managed to test 100k in a week in France, yet within 10 days they are going to ramp up testing sevenfold lol. This will be swept under the carpet, and the news will just turn the other cheek. The media are all bought and paid for over here.

Utter shitshow in France. I was optimistic at first. That optimism has now evaporated. They had a really great chance of getting to grips with this. Now they will say fuck it and kill even more people because they like most of the western governments have been paralysed by indecision.. There is no way the economy can afford to go into another 6 - 8 lockdown. This strategy should have been one and done. The will have to let it play its deadly game until a vaccine/medicine or immunity through infection.
 
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Nymphae said:
Look this shit up for yourself if you want





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Y'all act like Sweden did jack shit and everything is open and people can do what they want lol, completely forgetting why it even "works" in Sweden.

TLDR: Learn to read. If you really think "it's just the flu" i would love seiing you say it to the face of those people that lost loved ones.
 
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Fun Fanboy said:
Eeewww.. a China and WHO joint commission found that info?!?! :p
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TBH I am going to start side eyeing anything from China.

They did say resdemsivir has no clinical or virological benefits, and yet Fauci is saying it improves recovery time by 31% and is the standard care and building blocks.

They also stopped a trial because they had no one to enroll, because as we know CCP is pushing the lie that they have no new cases so clearly you can't run a trial with 100's of infrected people if your story is you have no new infections.

Just right around the time of all this talk about the west sending kids back to school and how its a big debate the WHO and China drop this. Could they be so evil to want to send children to infect people. Nah they can't be......
 
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They've been playing politics since the official "start" of the pandemic and it signals to me that even the propaganda-peddlers know it isn't as serious as they're making it out to be.

Not even a self-serving fool would play petty politics in the midst of something they believe is a genuine pandemic. It'd be way too risky. But if they don't earnestly believe it's serious... well... you'd get a series of behaviors that looks like the past few months.
 
I've decided I'm going to mostlyh check out from following COVID news and discussion online. Just no reason to. Arguing online changes nothing, people and leaders are going to do what they're going to do. My wife and I are privileged and can stay safe making our six figure salaries working from home and can do so indefinitely with very little chance of income reduction and have plenty of savings anyway. We worried that the local businesses we actively support would be pressured back into opening with Kemp's order has passed as nearly everyone of them has stayed shut and has no plans to open any time soon.

One of our favorite restaurants, and one that has a huge dining space and has to be hurting more than the smaller places that did more carryout before, is saying they'll stay carryout only until there are two weeks of no positive cases in the state and acknowledging that's probably going to be late June or July at the earliest. Over 50 restaurant owners (more than 50 restaurants as a lot of these folk own several local restaurants) took out a full paged ad in the AJC pledging to no re-open until it was safe.

Seems to be primarily chain places reopening and a few spots owned by Kemp supporters. Moot for us as we don't knowingly give our money to such places anyway. And on that front, I've been very surprised that even many chains are staying shut in the metro--Great Clips and other chain salons, LA Fitness etc. I'm keeping a close eye on that as places that open early when it's still a hot spot here are places we'll no longer give business too. So far that's just been a salon my wife used recently and planned to go back that re-opened immediately and called her to ask if she wanted to keep a previously scheduled appointment.

The state may be doing the wrong thing, but at least our city--and especially the places we support--are doing the right. The places that do it right in our view will get our business in the future, the places that don't will not. And before anyone gets their panties in a wad, I have no problems with people who feel opposite about this supporting the places that re-open early and stopping giving business to places that stay closed. Putting your money where your mouth is locally is a far more meaningful way of being principled and making a difference than being a keyboard warrior on a video game forum.
 
(Sweden) First major holiday that is cancelled due to Covid-19, Valborg tonight, usually celebrated with massive bonfires and parties.

(Its a celebration that spring is f'ing finally here, https://www.yourlivingcity.com/stockholm/cultural/events/valborg-bonfire/)

In some areas they have put chicken manure in public parks to dissuade from gatherings, kinda clever, in some areas they are relying on signs reminding people that the gatherings are not safe.

Will be kinda interesting to see in the morning what areas most parties were held in regardless.. :p

Number of deaths keep slowly climbing, but no huge spikes, gone from 100 dead a day to 120's deaths a day during the week.
 
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betrayal said:
This is again such a non-topic that it is being picked up by the media for more clicks. Just type "influenza stroke" into Google and you'll get more than enough articles and studies proving that the flu can also lead to blood clots and strokes. Unfortunately, this can be a very normal side effect of such a disease. COVID-19 does not have the exclusive right to do so.





It's not that Sweden has done nothing about the virus.

Keeping your distance, visiting bans, frequent hand washing, school closures at municipal level, home office if possible, avoiding large gatherings (everything over 50 is prohibited), visiting bans in nursing homes, distance controls in restaurants and bars and many more.

If you ask me, this all sounds very similar to many other countries. But the media is quite good at focusing on the things that Sweden does differently on paper, like no official school closures nationwide or no general closures of certain shops.

Last but not least, you have to use common sense to take into account the population density of the countries. This alone statistically reduces the strong spread of a virus in Sweden. If other countries suddenly only had the population density of Sweden, then this alone would reduce the spread of the virus there significantly in statistical terms.

Here are some comparable figures on population density:

Sweden: 23
Netherlands: 501
Belgium: 373
UK: 272
Germany: 233
France: 105
Spain: 73
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I don't think it's fair to just take the entire country's population density.

According to a couple of quick searches, Sweden overall has 25 people per square kilometer. Meanwhile, Stockholm is 4,800 people per square kilometer. The US is huge and has a low population density when viewed as a whole country at 36 people per square kilometer, but we know it has numerous extremely dense cities. There are like 19 states with population densities lower than Sweden.

pLow7 said:
Y'all act like Sweden did jack shit and everything is open and people can do what they want lol, completely forgetting why it even "works" in Sweden.
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It works in Sweden because it's a reasonable long-term strategy that makes sense and is not hard to comply with compared to the alternative.
 
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betrayal said:
This is again such a non-topic that it is being picked up by the media for more clicks. Just type "influenza stroke" into Google and you'll get more than enough articles and studies proving that the flu can also lead to blood clots and strokes. Unfortunately, this can be a very normal side effect of such a disease. COVID-19 does not have the exclusive right to do so.





It's not that Sweden has done nothing about the virus.

Keeping your distance, visiting bans, frequent hand washing, school closures at municipal level, home office if possible, avoiding large gatherings (everything over 50 is prohibited), visiting bans in nursing homes, distance controls in restaurants and bars and many more.

If you ask me, this all sounds very similar to many other countries. But the media is quite good at focusing on the things that Sweden does differently on paper, like no official school closures nationwide or no general closures of certain shops.

Last but not least, you have to use common sense to take into account the population density of the countries. This alone statistically reduces the strong spread of a virus in Sweden. If other countries suddenly only had the population density of Sweden, then this alone would reduce the spread of the virus there significantly in statistical terms.

Here are some comparable figures on population density:

Sweden: 23
Netherlands: 501
Belgium: 373
UK: 272
Germany: 233
France: 105
Spain: 73
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Well, then you break it down to the heaviest populated areas in Sweden and use those numbers to determine if it was the right approach.
 
llien said:
That video, that one has to watch, instead of trusting comment of some random dude with agenda.
Today's WHO is worthless, but the guy in the video admits NOTHING of that sorts.
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He's using a bunch of words to say that their approach has not been a disaster despite it not following the WHO recommendations. The condescending part is his qualifying it all by saying it's due to some kind of special partnership between the Swedish people and their government as if it's completely unique to them.

This is the same rotten fuck that was talking about how we're going to need to go into people's homes and separate families to save lives in certain parts of the world.
 
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Zefah said:
He's using a bunch of words to say that their approach has not been a disaster despite it not following the WHO recommendations. The condescending part is his qualifying it all by saying it's due to some kind of special partnership between the Swedish people and their government as if it's completely unique to them.

This is the same rotten fuck that was talking about how we're going to need to go into people's homes and separate families to save lives in certain parts of the world.
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WHO being rotten fucks is what I think about them.

South Korea has not followed WHO recommendations, you know, they wore masks.

Norway has 200 dead, Finland has 200 dead, Sweden has... 2.5 thousand dead.

Exactly what does Swedish example prove again? What happens in densely populated are if no fucks are given can be seen in NYC and London.

And, to be fair, in the embarrassing stream of messages from WHO, "lockdowns are good but not enough, do more testsing/cluster isolation" has been voiced. Something that worked fairly well in South Korea / Australia.
 
llien said:
WHO being rotten fucks is what I think about them.

South Korea has not followed WHO recommendations, you know, they wore masks.

Norway has 200 dead, Finland has 200 dead, Sweden has... 2.5 thousand dead.

Exactly what does Swedish example prove again? What happens in densely populated are if no fucks are given can be seen in NYC and London.

And, to be fair, in the embarrassing stream of messages from WHO, "lockdowns are good but not enough, do more testsing/cluster isolation" has been voiced. Something that worked fairly well in South Korea / Australia.
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Their strategy is working because case growth and death growth rates are already slowing down and they never had to lock most people in their homes. We'll see if their argument about herd immunity is right soon, too.

The stated goal of these lockdowns has always been to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system to avoid another Italy situation, and I think that may have been necessary in many areas, but Sweden has not seen their healthcare system overwhelmed.
 
ManaByte said:
Another 90+ degree weekend and Newsom is closing all beaches and state parks.
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No point in doing this now unless you just want to swing your dick around.

confirmed cases are on the downswing with them open, there is absolutely no basis in the idea that people walking around 20 feet apart from each other is dangerous. City sidewalks are objectively more concerning on that basis as people are closer.

Newsom is just an asshole tyrant, stop voting for asshole tyrants like him and Cuomo.
 
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diffusionx said:
No point in doing this now unless you just want to swing your dick around.

confirmed cases are on the downswing with them open, there is absolutely no basis in the idea that people walking around 20 feet apart from each other is dangerous. City sidewalks are objectively more concerning on that basis as people are closer.

Newsom is just an asshole tyrant, stop voting for asshole tyrants like him and Cuomo.
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Newsom was already facing a recall effort long before the pandemic hit. Hell, even liberal state colleges were collecting signatures to get rid of him. This just guaranteed he's going to be recalled if there isn't a revolution by the people to overthrow him first.
 
Zefah said:
The stated goal of these lockdowns has always been to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system to avoid another Italy situation, and I think that may have been necessary in many areas, but Sweden has not seen their healthcare system overwhelmed.
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As others noted, the lower population density probably helped them a ton. Even there biggest cities like Stockholm aren't nearly as densely populated as other major European or American cities.

So what I think it shows, if it does work out long term for them, is that lock downs weren't needed everywhere to not overwhelm the healthcare system. Just in densely populated areas, or moderately populated areas with below average hospital resources per capita. That's fine by me. I've long said the re-opening should be done at the local level and not the state level. The corollary is the shut down probably could have as well as sparsely populated rural counties that have had very few cases probably would have been ok if they hadn't shut down, especially if using not overwhelming hospitals as the metric.
 
I find it unfair in general that Sweden is singled out in "reduced number of fucks given".

It's exactly the same as in Netherlands and, wait for it, was like that until very recently in Japan, despite very high population density (also applies to Netherlands).

We have success stories with all kinds of approaches, NOT in the order of most successful:
1) Germany - some magic that I have yet to grasp going. Anyhow, R0 below 1 for more than 2 weeks, number of active infections dropped to below half of the peak levels => I have no fucking clue why it worked so well compared to neighbors, massive testing (900k a week already available, only 500k used) and contact tracing, serious lockdowns
2) South Korea - close to elimination of the virus => masks, aggressive testing & tracing
3) Australia - very low number of new infections, close to elimination => serious lockdowns
4) Arguably both Netherlands and Sweden, with mild restrictions and (so far) manageable pandemic. => only mild restrictions

As far as Japan, Netherlands, Sweden goes, it's too early to judge. In all three number of active cases is steadily growing (R0 > 1), Japan was forced to step it up, Sweden actually started to go after restaurants which "do not follow guidelines" on distancing (whatever that means)
 


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Its a long and pretty damn technical video but what I got from it in a TL;DR:

-The body creates bad dudes that are used to fight off foreign bad dudes (like infections, bacteria, etc)

-The bad dudes your body makes can cause lots of problems inside the body if they arent kept in check

-ACE 2 receptors are essential in the process of keeping the bad dudes in check

-COVID 19 fucks up the ACE 2 receptors, so these bad dudes are being left unchecked and they are just running amok fucking shit up.

(I barely squeaked by in Chemistry and Biology classes so feel free to watch the video and tell me that I got it all wrong.)
 
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