Mobile Suit Gooch
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That's what I was thinking. These non-live events and covid ads got to go.
That's what leftists and the politicians and mainstream media that backs them wants.
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That's what I was thinking. These non-live events and covid ads got to go.
That's what leftists and the politicians and mainstream media that backs them wants.
CloudNull
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In the past month Sweden went from 5,13 the number of deaths per million Denmark had to 5,35 times as much.
I said that already. I also said it looks like Denmark is about to have a second wave. We will have to wait and see.
Also, as people have mentioned mental health decline is a real issue. I promise you Sweden will have less than all other countries.
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Razvedka
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COVID-19 linked to heart damage in healthy people, small study suggests
Three quarters of recovered COVID-19 patients had signs of lingering heart damage months after their initial infection.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
whelpCOVID-19 linked to heart damage in healthy people, small study suggests
Three quarters of recovered COVID-19 patients had signs of lingering heart damage months after their initial infection.www.livescience.com
prag16
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Great more fear pr0n. Gobbie never gonna leave his basement again.COVID-19 linked to heart damage in healthy people, small study suggests
Three quarters of recovered COVID-19 patients had signs of lingering heart damage months after their initial infection.
DeepBreath87
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It’s a study of 100 people from a specific age group (mid 40s to early 50s). The study openly admits it is too small to draw any conclusions. So yes, if you want to draw any conclusions from it, you are fear mongering. They also say there is no way for them to know whether there is any lasting impact from their findings. It’s very small study that will need to be looked into further.
Outrunner
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Don't even know who Jim Jordan is but seems like another dumb republican. Faucci is not a politician, he is clear, crowds increase the spread of the virus, what the governement does about them is not up to him to decide.
Outrunner
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What's your medical background? And I don't mean your medical history, I mean what do you know of medicine to say that?
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DeepBreath87
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Fauci had no problem specifically calling out churches or reopening protests. But for some reason, he’s very hesitant to explicitly mention these BLM protests. He’s being his typical weasel self. You don’t have to be a politician to act like a politician. And Fauci has been acting this way for a while. If he’s unwilling to be as direct about the protests as he has been about many other things, we should wonder why that is.
Outrunner
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He said it very clearly, people should stay away from crowds, all kinds of crowds, that includes the protests.
bigsnack
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This has been referenced quite a bit for a while now.
Distinctive Features
Study shows striking differences in lung injury between deceased COVID-19 and flu patients
DeepBreath87
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Yes. He lumped it into a broader category that includes other things. He made sure to not explicitly mention them though. Who knows why that is. I don't know why, as a public health official, it would be hard for him to say, "protesting spreads the virus."
Fauci Attacks Choirs, Implies Worship Is Less Important Than Protests
'My recommendation still holds that the choirs should refrain from singing,' says Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's unelected coronavirus czar.
thefederalist.com
Stop going to bars, Dr. Fauci tells Americans | CNN
Since states started gradually reopening, bars have proven to be a perfect breeding grounds for the virus, healthcare professionals say.
www.cnn.com
See, here he is making all kinds of recommendations on banning certain behaviors, curtailing first amendment rights. No weaseling. Very clear.
But then:
Fauci suggests protests spread COVID-19, but won’t ‘opine’ on limits in hearing clash with Jordan
Dr. Anthony Fauci told the House Select Committee on the Coronavirus Crisis that "crowds" further the spread of the coronavirus, but wouldn't "opine" on whether the government should limit widespread protests as it has businesses and churches in a testy exchange Friday with Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio.
www.foxnews.com
See the difference? Wonder why that is.
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12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
No med or pathology degree, I'm an RN in a covid ICU.
This video is what led me to believe the aforementioned
cryptoadam
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Yes. He lumped it a broader category that includes other things. He made sure to not explicitly mention them though. Who knows why that is. I don't know why, as a public health official, it would be hard for him to say, "protesting spreads the virus."
Fauci Attacks Choirs, Implies Worship Is Less Important Than Protests
'My recommendation still holds that the choirs should refrain from singing,' says Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's unelected coronavirus czar.
Stop going to bars, Dr. Fauci tells Americans | CNN
Since states started gradually reopening, bars have proven to be a perfect breeding grounds for the virus, healthcare professionals say.
See, here he is making all kinds of recommendations on banning certain behaviors, curtailing first amendment rights. No weaseling. Very clear.
But then:
Fauci suggests protests spread COVID-19, but won’t ‘opine’ on limits in hearing clash with Jordan
Dr. Anthony Fauci told the House Select Committee on the Coronavirus Crisis that "crowds" further the spread of the coronavirus, but wouldn't "opine" on whether the government should limit widespread protests as it has businesses and churches in a testy exchange Friday with Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio.
See the difference? Wonder why that is.
Don't forget he said the anti lockdown protests will "backfire" and will just prolong reopenings. He was pretty clear on those protests.
Dr. Fauci says reopening too quickly will backfire - The Boston Globe
The top infectious-disease expert in the United States has a message for protesters who are ignoring their governors’ stay-at-home orders and calling for him to be fired over his guidelines.
www.bostonglobe.com
He could of said to Jordan that with the increase in cases the George Kirby protest will "backfire" and get more black people sick and then die but he was weaselly to make sure to mention masks a million times (to keep the narrative that Kirby protesters all wear masks perfectly 100% of the time) and being vague about "crowds".
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
That was rough
We don't know exactly how many people got the virus, but we do know that it initially spreads exponentially, and that the number of new cases and new deaths will be accelerating until the peak is reached. So we should expect deaths to initially remain at the baseline level, while absolute case numbers are low, and then to rocket upwards after several weeks of doubling (eg doubling every two days, cases can go from 2 to 46,000 in a month).
So if you are right, and we had two months of free spread, there should be a big "undiagnosed" jump in deaths before the first case was seen at the beginning of March. Here you can see the excess death figures for NYC:
Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19
Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.
www.cdc.gov
Deaths are basically flat and below the baseline level until 21st of March when they start increasing. With a 3 week lag, that puts the start of the spike at around the beginning of March, and widespread community transmission perhaps several weeks before, which matches up with evidence that the virus was already circulating at low levels in February.
"It is not known how many U.S. infections occurred during February and March, but overall disease incidence before February 28 was too low to be detected through emergency department syndromic surveillance data."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6922e1.htm
Finally, if you look at the actual peak of the virus in NYC, it occurs at the exact same time there as it does in the state as a whole (https://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus-statistics-tracking-epidemic-new-york). If NYC really peaked because the virus "burnt out" there, shouldn't this have happened before the rest of the state, which had a proportionally smaller case/death count? Especially if your argument is that there were several months of free transmission time in NYC. And again if the virus has burnt out in NYC, then it's strange that R is still around 1, since without enough remaining susceptible population to infect it should rapidly die off.
(Obviously even if "only" 25% of the population of NYC is immune, that will still make it significantly easier to keep R below 1. And there may be specific neighbourhoods that do now have herd immunity – https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...dies-neighbourhoods-second-wave-a9612166.html )
pel1300
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In transfer at Qatar Airport. Mask wearing mandatory but not really enforced. Most wear one. But even a few airport security guys strolling around mask less.
As for the plane ride, once meal time started a few ppl didn't bother to put the mask back on until the end of the flight.
"Please put your seat belt on" says flight attendant. Meanwhile another person in the same row just sitting her mask off.
As for the plane ride, once meal time started a few ppl didn't bother to put the mask back on until the end of the flight.
"Please put your seat belt on" says flight attendant. Meanwhile another person in the same row just sitting her mask off.
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Lionel Richie
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My country reached a hundred thousand deaths today. Something about round numbers feel so heavy, so devastating. Our president said recently that "life goes on" and today as we hit that terrible number, he tweeted to congratulate a local soccer team on a meaningless championship. Let Brazil be an example of why this new kind of leadership centered around obscurantism and antagonism will lead you nowhere. As soon as you see an iceberg on the horizon, that's where motherfucker will take you. Sad we needed an example and even sadder that it comes at such an unbelievable cost, but never forget it. Never accept it, never condone it, never allow it again.
Joe T.
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Obscurantism is what allowed this to become a pandemic, we have the Chinese Communist Party to thank for that.
Lionel Richie
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No doubt the biggest offenders overall. It doesn't excuse the dismal situation and braindead leadership in some countries.
cryptoadam
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DeepBreath87
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And there it is. The effect of the media on display. What really pisses me off is the information is readily available. People just don’t bother to look at it. They let people dictating their lives without even bothering to look up what they’re supposed to be so scared of. It’s sheep mentality.
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Based cops dabbing on Karens.
DeepBreath87
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Or those stupid sleeves runners wear in the winter.AAAS
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yo don't wear a fleece mask :|
DeepBreath87
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So what did she do precisely? Because they’re arresting her on a sidewalk with no one else around, so it’s a bit confusing.
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Joe T.
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Some of the criticism is warranted, but I don't see it quite the same way from the 30,000 foot view. Some of the biggest weaknesses were baked into the cake in many of the larger countries and focusing the blame almost entirely on current leadership serves as a very convenient distraction for the CCP and those among us that chose unhealthy lifestyles. Brazil, Mexico, US and India, for example, all have large portions of their populations that are overweight, obese or in poor health.
I doubt there are too many leaders that will be able to look back on the first half of this year and say they did everything right, maybe one or two from the smaller or more isolated countries. Death tolls that are shoved in our faces every day with extremely irresponsible media coverage will naturally inflame tensions. As it was recently pointed out, public perception is way off base and that applies to a lot more than just the numbers.
Lionel Richie
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I can't speak for every country, but I can speak for mine. In this case, there are simple questions to be made. Could our current leader have dealt with the situation better? Would it have helped somewhat? Could the numbers have been reduced if there was ever a plan in place? Did he compare it to a common flu at any point? Did he say "so what?" when asked about the rising number of deaths? Did he fire two health ministers, one out for jealousy and the other to force that fucking bullshit thing that is HCQ? Did he leave that position vacant for two months? Did he propose we go out in the streets like men to get it? Did he play a part in our country running low on anesthetics leading to the risk of patients being intubated awake? Did he tweet about soccer while that number reached a hundred fucking thousand?
The answer to all of those is a resounding yes. The thing about facts is that no narratives can change them. You can deflect guilt, but it finds its way back to the guilty party. So while I won't pretend I know anything about what is happening in the US, Mexico or India, I do know what is happening in Brazil. And what's happening in Brazil can at the very least only be described as criminal negligence. And that's being kind. For me, it's a crime against humanity through and through.
DragoonKain
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Bret Weinstein made a good point in that while we may have an idea of how many lives COVID takes, we don’t yet have an idea of how much life COVID takes. Meaning, even people who survive or it hasn’t affected all that much... will it lower their life expectancy? Will people with neurological issues or heart inflammation live fulfilling lives? Will they die at an earlier age because of complications?
We just don’t know the magnitude of how much life it’s robbing from people and we won’t know that for a while.
We just don’t know the magnitude of how much life it’s robbing from people and we won’t know that for a while.
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DeepBreath87
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I wonder how much life a lockdown takes....
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Depends on how long the lockdown is, but it certainly has taken a lot.
DeepBreath87
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Indeed. It’s a fine line to walk. We hear about about the lives taken by the disease, but very little about lives being destroyed trying to stop it.
Majukun
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the thing is, if you don't keep the virus under control, the economy takes a hit even without lockdown.
i don't think anyone ever said that the lockdown is not an hurtful solution, but the covid issue ain't gonna solve itself
hyperbertha
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Russia set to register world's first coronavirus vaccine on August 12; all you need to know
The clinical trial of the Russian coronavirus vaccine is undergoing at two institutions: the Burdenko Main Military Clinical Hospital and the Sechenov First Moscow State Medical University
m.businesstoday.in
Joe T.
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I'm not trying to deflect guilt at all, I'm trying to give it the proper weight. Brazil, like every other large country, was doomed to suffer large losses with or without its current leadership. Would 50-75,000 deaths be preferable to 100,000? Most would reflexively say yes while still holding the same negative view of their leaders because, like the weaknesses I mentioned earlier, that's also baked in.
DeepBreath87
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First there's no real way to know what would happen so it is very hard to discussion it. Second there is more to life than the economy. This has damaged society structurally. Freedoms people held very dearly are being cast aside. And not apologetically but with scorn being thrown at the people upset about it. Take this church in California:
‘I Wish It Didn’t Have To Come To This’: CA Pastor Defies Restraining Order Against Indoor Church Service
The pastor of a church in California who was sued by county officials for holding indoor worship services said he intends to disobey a judge’s restraining order and continue holding services anyway. According to The Ventura County Star, Pastor Rob McCoy of Godspeak Calvary Chapel in Thousand...
Then you look at what the judge in California says from the article:
A big part of a religious person's life is wrapped up in their religion. To tell them they cannot practice their religion when the ultimate law of the land says they are allowed to, and then scorn them as essentially suicidal is disgusting to me. This whole enterprise of using the government to enforce public health to the absolute destruction of personal liberty is insane. If this virus, which while bad, in the grand scheme is pretty insignificant, is enough to cost us our liberty as people, then we didn't value our liberty much to begin with.
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Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Commie-fornia don't like Christianity
I am mostly a lurker at this site, but have followed this thread religiously since March. I felt the need to post this article I stumbled across today and also comment more generally:
I read a scientific journal (can't remember which one or else I'd link to it) back in early May that said similar. To me, articles like this are really positive, and I deeply wish that there was more discussion of what the long term strategy to manage this disease is.
I have many more thoughts on COVID, and the way this whole thing has been handled, masks, Fauci, all that. But I'll keep it to myself. Either way, I thought the above article was positive (and the most likely scenario), but no one in a leadership position or in the media is willing to really have a conversation about what this all means and what the end game and herd immunity looks like.
It's incredibly frustrating and infuriating as someone who has had a very difficult time dealing with this pandemic.
I read a scientific journal (can't remember which one or else I'd link to it) back in early May that said similar. To me, articles like this are really positive, and I deeply wish that there was more discussion of what the long term strategy to manage this disease is.
I have many more thoughts on COVID, and the way this whole thing has been handled, masks, Fauci, all that. But I'll keep it to myself. Either way, I thought the above article was positive (and the most likely scenario), but no one in a leadership position or in the media is willing to really have a conversation about what this all means and what the end game and herd immunity looks like.
It's incredibly frustrating and infuriating as someone who has had a very difficult time dealing with this pandemic.
Tesseract
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you do you
IbelieveInGenerations
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In absolute numbers, of course 100.000 desths sound terrible. But the Death rate in Brazil os still smaller than most country.
Without a doubt, huge number of infection occured at home. Our country has a Very specific social condiction in wich small houses are filled with big famílies, with people who literally need to work to feed their family, otherwise there would be true famine and that, my friend, is pretty much destructive to the immune system wich could only lead to more deaths.
cryptoadam
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I wonder if people back in the 80's were like if we just don't have sex for 6 months aids is gonna be cured. Just a few more weeks and this AIDS stuff will be eradicated.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
I think we should just live with the virus.
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