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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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IbelieveInGenerations
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People are acting like there hasnt been a good number of people who have died of pneumony pior to covid.
Im not saying there arent a huge number of cases of people who died of pneumony thanks to covid as this is the natural progression of this desease, but we have to ask ourselves If there couldnt be a good portion of pneumony deaths that happened regardless of the infection, yet It was registered as covid.
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Lionel Richie
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It feels like you're ignoring what I said. I'm not talking about the numbers by themselves, I'm talking about the actions, more specifically about the reaction to this crisis. Nothing changes or minimizes the absolute nightmare that is the federal response to this situation. Any scenario would have been better than the one where we're led by a maniac imbecile.
GADO detected. I would like to know where this "death rate in Brazil is smaller than others" absolute meme came from, because I'm looking at the numbers and that's not what I see. That Deaths/1M pop column you guys seem to irrationally cling to for no reason is only going up, our numbers are not on the downswing. We have AT BEST stability at OVER A THOUSAND DEATHS PER DAY. That's not the media spreading panic like that genocidal mongoloid said again earlier today. People should panic, we're a sinking ship with a chimp at the helm.
IbelieveInGenerations
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What a coincidence.
The alt left here in Brazil does the same and even use the med for jokes and memes against the current president, while blindly ignoring a good number of respectful doctors using the medicine in early stage of the desease along with zinc, two ESSENTIal Part of procesures of use that these people and the "studies" that supposedly prove the drug doesnt do shit convrniently ignore, that is: using it at early stage ALONG with high dose of Zinc.
IbelieveInGenerations
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"People should panic".
Enough for an absolute imbecil waybof thinking. Better Just put you on ignore.
Its obvious How you are completely unable to discuss in a more civilized and rational given by your choice of words, treating such huge complex issue into Just trash political militancy, as If a matter with such complexity can be oversimplified nu pointing all the respondsbilities singularized in a single political authority, wich is a Very "good" disservice to society as It is the type of irrational thinking that greatly benefits a huge number of local corrupted authorities who have been criminally throwing a Lot of money under their luxurious carpet with the insane amount of corrupted transactions with overpriced ventilators and other medical stuff.
Our country is greatly suffering from never seen before corruption under the bus of "saving lives", and you are morally responsible for that with that kind of thinking
Lionel Richie
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That shit doesn't fly outside of the gadismo Twitter bubble friend. It's bullshit, it's guilt deflection, it's an attempt to change to subject to the point where the subject isn't even clearly visible anymore. I'm talking about the things Bolsonaro could control. Did he ever have a plan to fight Covid? Nope. Did he call it a common flu on multiple occasions? Yes. Did he or did he not say SO WHAT when asked about the rising number of deaths? Guess he did! Do we have a health minister? Not for 2 motherfucking months we don't. Did his administration spend just 54% of the budget on the fight against the covid despite the absolute out of control numbers we're seeing? Sure did, because what are they even fighting for? I'm not even going to enter the corruption with Queiroz and the militia ties because that would be overkill and it is besides the point. The point is that somehow we have a president that is working FOR the virus and not against it.
You are supporting a government that treats the death of a hundred thousand of its people like it's nothing. Like an inevitable casualty. Guess everything is an inevitable casualty when don't take action against it. You're still clinging to the corruption shield when Bolsonaro has done nothing to earn that benefit, are we supposed to pretend that Aras ISN'T trying to kill Lava Jato or that the Moro clusterfuck situation didn't happen? Oh wait, nothing bad ever happened to the government, it's the media! It's the alt left! It's Foro de São Paulo, George Soros, Sleeping Giants, STF, OMS, ANY FUCKING ONE. Any fabricated enemy is to blame, never the government.
Gado do caralho, pode me botar no ignore.
IbelieveInGenerations
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You are throwing a Lot accusstion without actually knowing my opinion on the matter.
Die hard political militant like you have a hard time to understsand that this is not about supporting one or another political authority, but not fucking singularizing reeponsibilities on such complex GLOBAL issue that hardly any country were ready to fight against.
Thats not saying that You should not make the president reeponsible, of course You can and You should, its Just that It becomes blatant militancy making one single authority taking all the blame for a fucking HUGE country that has a FEDERAL state type ofPower organization in wich You have 27 fucking local goverments, all having political-administrstive and finantial indepedency. It is q collective responssbility.
The local goverment of São Paulo was all coveninet to promote Carnival, with all the arms wide open to recieve millions of tourists despite the vírus making a Lot of victims around the world, but funny How such facts never come across the minds of hypocritical people like You.
Lionel Richie
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Talking points, tired ones at that, and guilt deflection. That should tell you that perhaps you're defending the indefensible. I'm not singularizing responsibilities, I'm saying that when it comes to Brazil there's no higher power than the president, and nobody, NOBODY failed the country more than the president did during this time. And I mean ever, there's no single atrocity that has ever been committed in this country that matches the lack of plan and irresponsible behavior Bolsonaro has displayed from the start.
You know why Brazil suddenly started acting like a Federacy for the first time ever and why 27 local governments started acting independently? Because the plan presented by the president was simple: let's all live normal lives, shelter the elderly and if you got sick then fuck just shove HCQ up your ass and you're good to go. It was unacceptable and despite being overruled he has worked diligently ever since to cause more harm than anything even remotely good. I could list an enormous list of things he has done or said during this time that actively went against the recommended measures that should have been taken. Of course it's not a singular responsibility and of course this is a global situation that would have fucked us one way or another, but through omission or actual direct harmful action he has done nothing but make sure as many people as possible have died.
You can talk about Doria, Witzel, any other state governor. Nothing diminishes the insidious role Bolsonaro has played in this tragedy and he should be held accountable.
Stouffers
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Ever masturbate using a half-wall glory hole?
diffusionx
Gold Member
In what way, exactly, does a virus that does greatest harm to people a solid decade or two past prime working age hurt the economy? Does the flu hurt the economy? Does chicken pox outbreaks hurt the economy? Sure, of course it does, it drags it, but we don‘t shut everything down around it to exacerbate the issues times a million.
I remember when my area started getting West Nile virus. It comes from mosquitoes. One year, seemingly out of the blue, we started getting this disease in our region, and had to start spraying for it. And now, every year, they have to look out for West Nile virus. It’s just a part of life. That is what happens with this stuff for better or worse. The problem is we cannot have a serious discussion about COVID and how to adjust to life with it because the government locked everyone in their homes for months and used that time to pump constant fear porn into their heads 24/7. People are absolutely terrified of this thing and have no perspective. People think it kills 10-20% of people and is a death sentence, when in reality it is more like .3% of the total population and about .05% of anyone under 50. And more like .0001% if you are relatively healthy and not obese.
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jadedm17
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Jokes on you theyre just incompetent.
Odd to think its foul play when Desantis is holding steady on doing nothing at all to stop or slow the spread.
SpartanForce666
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President of Brazil just saying to forget the 100k people dead and move on. Jesus Christ.
DeepBreath87
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DeSantos did a pretty excellent job. They have flattened their curve. Look at their numbers. Deaths will lag cases , as always. But cases are down almost 50% from their highs. Total deaths are still well under 10,000 when Florida has a bit larger population than New York and its 35,000 deaths. And that’s without completely shredding the rights of his citizens.
longdi
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3 new mutated COVID-19 strains detected in South Korea: Report
SEOUL: Three new mutated genome sequences of the novel coronavirus have been detected in South Korea among three imported COVID-19 cases, the country’s public health authorities said on Monday (Aug 10) as reported by Yonhap.
Possible mutations were detected in the virus' "spike protein", which is known to help COVID-19 penetrate into a living human cell, the news outlet reported, adding the imported infections involved two people from Pakistan and one from Uzbekistan.
According to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), the new mutations are different from 78,810 viral genome sequences registered in the database from GISAID – a global science initiative and primary source for genomic data of influenza viruses and the novel coronavirus behind COVID-19.
SEOUL: Three new mutated genome sequences of the novel coronavirus have been detected in South Korea among three imported COVID-19 cases, the country’s public health authorities said on Monday (Aug 10) as reported by Yonhap.
Possible mutations were detected in the virus' "spike protein", which is known to help COVID-19 penetrate into a living human cell, the news outlet reported, adding the imported infections involved two people from Pakistan and one from Uzbekistan.
According to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), the new mutations are different from 78,810 viral genome sequences registered in the database from GISAID – a global science initiative and primary source for genomic data of influenza viruses and the novel coronavirus behind COVID-19.
Majukun
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you have the freedom of choice when you are the only one impacted by said choice (and even that has limits, suicide is illegal for example, but that's more for the secondary consequences of the act becoming legal that an issue of freedom of choice)First there's no real way to know what would happen so it is very hard to discussion it. Second there is more to life than the economy. This has damaged society structurally. Freedoms people held very dearly are being cast aside. And not apologetically but with scorn being thrown at the people upset about it. Take this church in California:
Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant. The first amendment is explicit about freedom of religion and the practice of religion.
‘I Wish It Didn’t Have To Come To This’: CA Pastor Defies Restraining Order Against Indoor Church Service
The pastor of a church in California who was sued by county officials for holding indoor worship services said he intends to disobey a judge’s restraining order and continue holding services anyway. According to The Ventura County Star, Pastor Rob McCoy of Godspeak Calvary Chapel in Thousand...www.dailywire.com
Then you look at what the judge in California says from the article:
A big part of a religious person's life is wrapped up in their religion. To tell them they cannot practice their religion when the ultimate law of the land says they are allowed to, and then scorn them as essentially suicidal is disgusting to me. This whole enterprise of using the government to enforce public health to the absolute destruction of personal liberty is insane. If this virus, which while bad, in the grand scheme is pretty insignificant, is enough to cost us our liberty as people, then we didn't value our liberty much to begin with.
you don't give people the freedom to choose at what speed to drive, for example.
I'm not american and i don't take your constitution in particular regard, but i pretty much doubt that it implies that people can endanger other with their behavior just to express their own freedom of choice, or religion, or whatever. If your religion would need human sacrifices, i'm pretty sure the constitution wouldn't protect the freedom of practice it (extreme example of course)
you might not think that the risk that covid brings is not enough to give away your freedom, but you live in a society where the needs of the society itself outweights the need of the individual, because the opposite is just anarchy, where everyone is free to do whatever he feels confortable doing regardless of the impact it has on others.
DeepBreath87
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Yeah. See but that’s not how things work here. The idea a judge would say, “we’re throwing out the Constitution because people are getting sick” is a statement tantamount to declaring martial law. Because at the end the day the Constitution is the law here. It supersedes all state and local laws. If we are just going to ignore it when it’s inconvenient, it’s essentially meaningless to begin with.
Especially when we are stacking it up against directives being set up by appointed health officials that no one has actually voted for.
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First there's no real way to know what would happen so it is very hard to discussion it. Second there is more to life than the economy. This has damaged society structurally. Freedoms people held very dearly are being cast aside. And not apologetically but with scorn being thrown at the people upset about it. Take this church in California:
Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant. The first amendment is explicit about freedom of religion and the practice of religion.‘I Wish It Didn’t Have To Come To This’: CA Pastor Defies Restraining Order Against Indoor Church Service
The pastor of a church in California who was sued by county officials for holding indoor worship services said he intends to disobey a judge’s restraining order and continue holding services anyway. According to The Ventura County Star, Pastor Rob McCoy of Godspeak Calvary Chapel in Thousand...
Then you look at what the judge in California says from the article:
A big part of a religious person's life is wrapped up in their religion. To tell them they cannot practice their religion when the ultimate law of the land says they are allowed to, and then scorn them as essentially suicidal is disgusting to me. This whole enterprise of using the government to enforce public health to the absolute destruction of personal liberty is insane. If this virus, which while bad, in the grand scheme is pretty insignificant, is enough to cost us our liberty as people, then we didn't value our liberty much to begin with.
This reminded me of the group that went to Walmart and did a sermon because they weren't allowed to do so at their church.
Protesters Worshipping God Inside Walmart Is So Powerful | FaithPot
Worship is a powerful way of expressing our feelings and emotions to God it was so beautiful to see a group of peaceful protesters worship inside Walmart in North Versailles, Pennsylvania. Nancy Halford captured a video of the group singing “Our God Is Greater”, “Waymaker”, “Great Are You Lord”...
www.faithpot.com
"Worship at Walmart" has to be the most American thing I've ever heard of, but damn if that's not a potentially big business opportunity for Walmart.
DeepBreath87
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I was thinking a little about the idea life expectancy could be lowered for people who recover from the virus. I’ll just say that I’m more than willing to sacrifice a few years in my old age for not being locked down in my youth. Your old age is never promised. I’m all for reasonable precautions. But I’m not willing to shut my life down.
bigsnack
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Haha come on man you know nobody flattened anything in FL. The virus is running unimpeded through the state and is just has fewer people to infect.
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Chittagong
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Antonio Banderas reveals he has tested positive for coronavirus
The 60-year-old is best know for his roles in Desperado and The Mask of Zorro. He announced his coronavirus diagnosis on Instagram.
Birdo
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Antonio Banderas reveals he has tested positive for coronavirus
The 60-year-old is best know for his roles in Desperado and The Mask of Zorro. He announced his coronavirus diagnosis on Instagram.www.dailymail.co.uk
Also of note: Many of these health officials at the state and local level have no medical background and seem to be from the beloved social sciences. I guess the goal is to shame diseases into checking their privilege.
#Phonepunk#
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the government forbidding religious worship is entirely anti-American.
private business stepping up to restore those rights which are foundational to our country?
you're Goddamn right that's American
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jadedm17
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Last state to close, first to open, not even a mask mandate.... What has he done?
Florida is the second worse state, only behind California - with almost twice the population at 39.5 mil to 21.5 mil - in case numbers.
DeSantis is a clown who wasn't even effected when Florida was breaking it's death count four days in a row.
Testing sites were shut down for the hurricane last week and schools opened today so I fear it's yet to get worse before it gets better; The Georgia school that made headlines for a student sharing a hallway pic has shutdown for cleaning after 9 cases there. :\
DeepBreath87
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Who cares about cases? If somebody gets sick and gets better, which almost everyone does, that’s not a tragedy. It’s like your want everyone to be locked inside to justify your own fear.
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DeepBreath87
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Then why is their death toll 25% of New York’s? I don’t care about cases. Cases only matter when they result in serious injury or death.
diffusionx
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It's running unimpeded because it's a virus.
Who the fuck cares about case numbers lmao. The idea that we know how many people have had it is laughable, and at least forty percent of people don't even know they have it.
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Airbus Jr
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This Bolsonaro guys is a total scum for saying something like that
What the fuck is that
Somebody there in brazil please kick his ass for me
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cryptoadam
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Can we stop pretending case numbers from March/April/May mean anything.
Today the US is doing close to 1 million tests a day. Back then they were doing like 50-100K.
Take today's testing and put it in March or April and you probably find NY had 1-2 million cases and the rest of the east coast with another million or 2.
It was pointed out months ago that back then cases followed exactly on testing. If on a day more test were done more cases were found. Then on weekends when testing fell low and behold cases fell.
Cases in March/April/May was a function of low testing and stringent testing rules where only people who were 1 foot into a hospital were getting tested.
Today the US is doing close to 1 million tests a day. Back then they were doing like 50-100K.
Take today's testing and put it in March or April and you probably find NY had 1-2 million cases and the rest of the east coast with another million or 2.
It was pointed out months ago that back then cases followed exactly on testing. If on a day more test were done more cases were found. Then on weekends when testing fell low and behold cases fell.
Cases in March/April/May was a function of low testing and stringent testing rules where only people who were 1 foot into a hospital were getting tested.
Taxexemption
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By the same logic are you ready to embargo or even wage war against China if its proven they are responsible to prevent this from happening again? Why would a country have the freedom to behave in a dangerous way that hurts all of us when individuals are punished for conditions outside of their control?
12Goblins
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Vitamin D deficiency as a predictor of poor prognosis in patients with acute respiratory failure due to COVID-19 - Journal of Endocrinological Investigation
Purpose Hypovitaminosis D is a highly spread condition correlated with increased risk of respiratory tract infections. Nowadays, the world is in the grip of the Coronavirus disease 19 (COVID 19) pandemic. In these patients, cytokine storm is associated with disease severity. In consideration of...
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Antonio Banderas reveals he has tested positive for coronavirus
The 60-year-old is best know for his roles in Desperado and The Mask of Zorro. He announced his coronavirus diagnosis on Instagram.
cryptoadam
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Vitamin D deficiency as a predictor of poor prognosis in patients with acute respiratory failure due to COVID-19 - Journal of Endocrinological Investigation
Purpose Hypovitaminosis D is a highly spread condition correlated with increased risk of respiratory tract infections. Nowadays, the world is in the grip of the Coronavirus disease 19 (COVID 19) pandemic. In these patients, cytokine storm is associated with disease severity. In consideration of...
Dr Campbell gonna be doing back flips.
Been taking that D since April. I have taken so much D they gonna nominate me for Porno star of the year LOL.
But for reals this has been discussed for months and no one is acting on it. I think its because this opens up a can of worms of certain melanin people who don't get enough D and no one wants to go down that road.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Huh?
bigsnack
Member
So true. Woke culture might actually prevent people from getting the medical advice they need to beat this thing.
cryptoadam
Banned
Dr Campbell has been talking about Vitamin D and its correlation with COVID for months, he was barking up that tree back in April.
(his vids have been posted in this thread for a long time now, but you can check him on youtube too).
I have been taking vitamin D since April.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
I'm talking about the melanin thing. Why would telling people at risk for Vit D deficiency to take Vit D be "opening a can of worms"?
Also, Vitamin D supplementation has been recommended in North America for years.
Also, Vitamin D supplementation has been recommended in North America for years.
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cryptoadam
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Because black people in UK/North America have the highest level of Vit D deficiency. So saying that Vit D is a reason why they are dying at disproportionate rates (in the west) doesn't fit the narrative of economic/social/racisim. It points to a biological reason rather than a social one.
Jezbollah
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Not just black people, anyone that has darker skin will not be able to naturally produce vitamin D. There is strong speculation that this is one of the reasons people in Australia have done relatively OK during all this.
But yeah, the fact this is a big biological reason why people are more prone to it, rather than polical or social reasons really pisses on the cornflakes of a lot of anti-government narrative - thus it really isnt talked about in the media alot, and when it is, often debunked or talked down.
But yeah, the fact this is a big biological reason why people are more prone to it, rather than polical or social reasons really pisses on the cornflakes of a lot of anti-government narrative - thus it really isnt talked about in the media alot, and when it is, often debunked or talked down.
LateBloomer
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There is no reason both cant be true.
cryptoadam
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Maybe.
Yet somehow though poor ass Africa has less deaths than just African Amreicans. The entire continent.
If it was just money Africa would be a graveyard right now.
Obesity and Vit D deficiency.
CloudNull
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Study: Sweden's Refusal To Lock Down Didn't Lose More Lives
Sweden has an intact economy, a citizenry with greater immunity to COVID-19, and a death rate per million lower than Italy — all with no lockdown.
thefederalist.com
What’s the next goal post for all the doubters??? The data is starting to roll in and Sweden is so far ahead of everyone.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
You do realize you just linked to an editorial that's just rehashing old data?Study: Sweden's Refusal To Lock Down Didn't Lose More Lives
Sweden has an intact economy, a citizenry with greater immunity to COVID-19, and a death rate per million lower than Italy — all with no lockdown.
What’s the next goal post for all the doubters??? The data is starting to roll in and Sweden is so far ahead of everyone.
Despite Sweden being "better off", it has an economy that is just as bad as its Nordic neighbours who did lock down, and despite "nearly achieving herd immunity" it's seeing a rise in cases again.
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p_xavier
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#whitelivesmatter
CloudNull
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You mean the one study from June? What about all the other links from the article that are from August?
Cases are not what i am worried about. Deaths are the metric we are looking at. It’s a virus. Most people will get it
12Goblins
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Study: Sweden's Refusal To Lock Down Didn't Lose More Lives
Sweden has an intact economy, a citizenry with greater immunity to COVID-19, and a death rate per million lower than Italy — all with no lockdown.
What’s the next goal post for all the doubters??? The data is starting to roll in and Sweden is so far ahead of everyone.
Don't use unreliable sources
Stouffers
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I’ve been taking D3 since March. Regular D doesn’t do shit, dickface.
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