Mat Piscatella: No, the console market isn't doomed
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I am still confused about your post. Piscatella is not an insider, he is an analyst. He is not sharing "a take", he is sharing data. What are you trying to say lol
Woopah
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He's paid to do his job, which collate, manage and analyse data. No one paid him specifically for this tweet.
Fake
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Analyst acting like an insider. You could keep watching his tweets, well if he stop blocking everyone else on Twitter.
He do takes you know.
Pretty sure he do videos about. He could post analysts as usual, with a bit of his take of course.
I mean, he stop reporting numbers because he is an analyst? I guess you guys forget he put some sort of opinion/takes in his 'analysts'.
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Woopah
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To get his actual work you need to by a Circana subscriber. The tweets he does are just him engaging with the community and marketing the company.
He stopped sharing numbers for free because Circana is a business and wants to get money for them.
What do you mean by "acting like an insider"?
I agree, he's an arrogant and obnoxious twat, don't get me wrong
But in this specific case, he was just sharing data lol
Sentenza
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Yeah, on second thought I should have called a LUKEWARM take.
It's insipid and redundant. Like most of what he posts on social media.
Tiago Rodrigues
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PS5 is like 1M behind PS4 as it's like twice as expensive. Switch is going to turn into the best selling console ever for Nintendo.It's not dying... but it ain't growing either. Which is why PS games are coming to PC
The market is not growing because MS is flopping like hell but those two are clearly doing amazing.
Killjoy-NL
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The market will remain pretty much the same.
Whatever Xbox will lose, will mostly move over to Playstation.
FunkMiller
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Rule of thumb:
Any cunt that talks about sales figures, without including the sales figures, can be safely ignored.
This performative nonsense without some actual hard data is indicative of the gaming industry people on Elon's site of dumb.
Any cunt that talks about sales figures, without including the sales figures, can be safely ignored.
This performative nonsense without some actual hard data is indicative of the gaming industry people on Elon's site of dumb.
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TheRaidenPT
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And we are yet getting CoD like games being Cross-Gen...
Once GTA VI comes out and more and more games stop being cross gen, there's going to be a big jump of user base
Firestartah
Banned
This take is so weird tbh, like what did consoles have in the past? Was PS3 special because it had the Cell processor which was a pain for devs in the first years? No. PS3 was special because of the great exclusive games and in general a generation that started some of the most popular francizes like Bioshock, Assassins Creed, Mass Effect, Batman Arkham etc. (most of these which are missing in action btw)
Consoles dont have the magic anymore because the AAA core games are formulaic and take an entire generation to be developed. It is not because of what is inside the consoles, as hardware...
Games make the console & the generation and the reality is we have hit a creative block and they also take way way too many years to develop. They are also very sterile and clean in writing, not even talking about woke, more about no edgy-ness about it, best example is the Starfield writing with it's cardboard characters and npcs.
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Self_Destructive
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Eh, they're doing great at monetizing their player base.. but that isn't growing the market. It could be argued that PS is doing as well as it is simply because MS has been doing terribly for 2 gens straight now... and Nintendo literally had to consolidate their handheld market and console market to get these numbers.
There's a finite group of console gamers out there, and these markets are mature.. and it remains to be seen how PS5 does in the 2nd half of the gen depending on how Sony handles pricing going forward.
TheGodfather07
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It's dying the way we know it though. Almost everybody has pivoted to multiplayer service now. Anyone can see that we've only gotten less and less high quality single player projects.
Woopah
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Mat does have access to the data though. It's much better to ask him questions and get some data than us getting no data at all.
cireza
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What incredible insight. But this is actually true for PS/MS consoles overall, not just CoD. Current kids play on phones, with a small/negligeable part being Switch.
When our generation stops gaming, you can say goodbye to dedicated home consoles.
VitoNotVito
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WTF is "college football"?
Yep, PS5 is 7% above PS4 in the US so there is growth there at least. other markets, especially more price conscious regions, have made it fall 1M behind globally but the PS4 had a Pro already at this point and pricecuts. I think the PS5 is doing better than the PS4 all things considered.
It's like Madden but college/university rosters so all the college kids buy consoles and the game to see themselves or their friends in the game.
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64gigabyteram
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Yea but also Sony hasn't released the PS5 numbers since like... May? It must have grown quite a bit since then.
Also what PS console have you ever heard of where the userbase is somehow greater than half by the 3rd full year on the market?
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
Woopah
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Why wouldn't it? People still use it to play video games.
lughnasadh123
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Not that any positive news will stop the clickbait admittedly entertaining shitposts about Doooomania, it's still nice to hear.
I'm more shocked how little of a push we've seen into the mobile market.
I'm more shocked how little of a push we've seen into the mobile market.
FunkMiller
Banned
Then he should publish it.
Topher
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He wants corporations, outlets etc to buy that data.
FunkMiller
Banned
Hence why we get performative bullshit that's meant to do nothing than stoke engagement. I find it almost impossible to trust any 'industry voice' these days, given how much of what they say is geared towards their own bottom line, rather than providing clear, concise, accurate information to the gaming community.
Killjoy-NL
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Depends on how much Xbox Series has lost.
Most people leaving Xbox will be moving to Playstation, so 7% increase for PS5 over PS4 doesn't necessarily mean the market slightly grew.
SportsFan581
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If current trends hold, these threads will be gold mines in two or three years.
yurinka
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He provided numbers in the tweet
To be more precise, the console market is growing every generation in revenue but little compared with the insane cost growth of making AAA games.It's not dying... but it ain't growing either. Which is why PS games are coming to PC
So they had to find new and more profitable markets to compensate it, like expanding to GaaS, PC, movies/tv shows and in the future mobile. Plus to double down in some profitable areas of the console market like accesories or (Sony's, not GP) game subs, plus also to increas the ARPU of the console users.
So far Sony has been doing that very successfully, getting record revenue and profit this generation.
Not in the case of Sony, having still a ton of people still on PS4 doesn't mean PS5 has issues to grow:
- PS5 is selling almost the same units (worldwide) or more (NA & JP) than PS4 launch aligned, they are getting a lot of new users (I assume from PC, Xbox and movies/tv shows)
- PS5 users have higher ARPU than the PS4 ones, both now and launch aligned
- PS4 users are generating more revenue/ARPU now that at the start of the PS4 generation
- Sony is getting record revenue and profit this generation
- PS5 not growing more / PS4 players not upgrading faster can be explained with the consoles shortages and because they had to increase prices intead of applying price cuts, plus many players not needing it because their favorite IPs (like GTA, CoD, EAFC, AC, Fortnite, Apex, Rainbow Six...) are still getting support there
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Trilobit
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If we only had the PC market I think it would kill a lot of innovations. Whenever a company like Sony or Nintendo bring out an interesting controller it puts pressure on developers to use it. For example I'm loving the haptic feedback and adaptive triggers of the PS5 controller. PC of course can use any controller, but it doesn't require the developers to do anything special with any of them besides the basics like rumble.
Woopah
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What particular data do you want him to publish?
This is not something unique to Circana, none of the professional tracking companies openly share all their numbers with people who aren't customers.
That doesn't make the numbers they do share untrustworthy.