I think the polls show they stand to lose a lot of seats and they wouldn't have enough to support the conservatives in a majority.
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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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I think the polls show they stand to lose a lot of seats and they wouldn't have enough to support the conservatives in a majority.
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Teehee. Slightly amusing to hear you all talking about not voting Lib Dem because of the fees. I was the first year of Top Up fees so I paid 3x what the people the year before me paid (sounds familiar!) - that's why I'm not voting Labour
The joys of being Welsh.
Please please don't get hung on on hope of him losing, I agree it would be great, but he is probably the Tories only chance of doing a minority coalition, if he goes they are stuffed....
Can not be understated how important it is for Cameron that clegg holds his seat, and as such I expect large swathe of Tories to vote for him
He doesn't see the irony there?
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Yeah, if Clegg loses the Conservatives are not returning to government. 0% chance. a) because it implies a better than expected Labour performance, and b) the Liberal Democrats won't be able to enter coalition negotiations without a leader.
Hmm, I'm not sure I forgot to ask. Her partner is German and has been living here for about 8 years. He can only vote in the council elections today.
As a side note, I wonder how many expats voted UKIP, and how many of them are aware of irony.
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In fairness, it's only ironic if they're expats in Europe.
Interesting idea.
I'm not sure if it's deeply within their manifesto but I've certainly seen Green campaign material mentioning "keeping Labour in check", or something to that effect. The Lib Dems appear to have based their entire campaign around that same principle too.
I find the "we won't work with X" line quite frustrating, and it's been particularly bad in the run up to this years election, at a time when we're probably as likely to go without a majority government as we've ever been. In my opinion, any party should be open to negotiating with any of the others if it means providing the most complete outlook for the British people, rather than dismissing each other over party policy squabbles. I don't want to hear about how one party won't work with another until they've sat around a negotiating table in the event of a hung parliament.
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My Green blurb that I got in the post yesterday actually says "Vote Green | Keep Labour Honest", so they sort of do.
MrRoflWaffles
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Here here! Just had a very similar conversation with a friend.
Thoughts on vote-spoiling as a legitimate option, GAF?
I'm off to vote Labour in a moment but know lots of dissatisfied people who are under the impression that avoiding voting is better than going in and spoiling.
PJV3
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After the last deal the Libdem's set up a negotiation committee, so they could do a deal. But I agree that it probably wouldn't happen without Clegg.
True somewhat, although I find the usual UKIP (and supporter) anti-immigrant soundbites aren't usually restricted. It's just, "immigrants" or "johnny foreigner".
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Poor guy's been set up to fail. No serious contender would have taken up Scottish Labour leadership at that time. I say poor guy, but actually he is pretty fucking useless.
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There is literally no way of indicating that you failed to vote as a result of apathy or as a deliberate decision to abstain if you do not turn up. In contrast, if you clearly spoil your ballot, that indicates you wanted to participate in the system but did not approve of any of the candidates. Yes, "spoiled ballots" as a category includes people who didn't know how to fill in the form properly, but given it literally just involves putting an "X" in a box, that vast majority of spoiled ballots represent deliberate decisions because frankly it's pretty hard to accidentally spoil one.
Spoiling votes is very legitimate. It gets counted as dissatisfaction. I think the consensus is cocks.
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Constitutionally I don't even think they can. Coalition deals have to go through their various constitutional locks and would require a leader at a few stages.
PJV3
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Oh, I thought the deputy could stand in. I know the committee can't forge a deal against the leadership (which plenty in the party wanted).
Well I definitely hope Clegg goes now.
Now....from what I understand of studentry (It's been a while), the up front costs have not changed....what's actually changed is the size of the debt accrued due to the frankly stupendous student loan.
Now....I am never going to pay mine back. And I mean never. I just don't earn enough, and the Interest is enough to keep it increasing every year. And the same is true of you lot....you even pay at the same rate I do.
Therefore.....the only thing govt has done is fiddle the numbers a bit and sell the loans book off. Making Uni no more or less affordable than 2002 when I went, just with a bigger imaginary number attached that vanishes at 65, cannot be "called in", and whose repayments only activate at wage levels above £15k.
The main thing to be angry about is that the grants system was cheaper to run....
Now....I am never going to pay mine back. And I mean never. I just don't earn enough, and the Interest is enough to keep it increasing every year. And the same is true of you lot....you even pay at the same rate I do.
Therefore.....the only thing govt has done is fiddle the numbers a bit and sell the loans book off. Making Uni no more or less affordable than 2002 when I went, just with a bigger imaginary number attached that vanishes at 65, cannot be "called in", and whose repayments only activate at wage levels above £15k.
The main thing to be angry about is that the grants system was cheaper to run....
QuicheFontaine
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The party itself is trying the angle that the current system of being part of the EU isn't "fair" to those outside it. I actually have some sympathy with that opinion, having had to recently deal with the various paperwork for my wife who is a non-EU national. However, I doubt that UKIP would make it easier for her, or anyone else, to get in. As you say, the party membership just wants fewer immigrants full stop.
"invalid" ballot papers are counted, but the number of "protest" votes will only be reported if they're in significant numbers. If every abstainer voted NOTA, it would be far more powerful than staying at home.
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Sir Malcolm Bruce isn't seeking re-election, so they lose their deputy leader at the same time; otherwise you'd be right.
BossDarkseid
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My first timer friend voted Tory. He already apologised incase the NHS tanks.
PrivateRyan
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Not at all, hence the frustration!
It was one of those arguments that seemed so ridiculous from my POV, I actually started to doubt myself and wonder if I was missing something obvious.
cjp
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First general election I've been eligible to vote in and I went Labour. Same for the council too.
I wouldn't consider a myself a Labour supporter though. I'd never vote for Conservatives. I hate Clegg with a passion, I think he's an arrogant self serving bastard. Don't fancy Green as they have no hope where I am and I think some of their policies and members are both batshit inane and batshit insane. UKIP... yeah.
That left Labour. The candidate seems decent and hardworking enough and I'd much rather have Miliband than Cameron. After all, if Murdoch despises him then he must be doing something right.
I wouldn't consider a myself a Labour supporter though. I'd never vote for Conservatives. I hate Clegg with a passion, I think he's an arrogant self serving bastard. Don't fancy Green as they have no hope where I am and I think some of their policies and members are both batshit inane and batshit insane. UKIP... yeah.
That left Labour. The candidate seems decent and hardworking enough and I'd much rather have Miliband than Cameron. After all, if Murdoch despises him then he must be doing something right.
Clegg and Simon Hughes are the only 2 lib dems to come out and say they would happily go into another coalition... Unofficially some believe the party does not have the appetite for another coalition and want opposition so they can regroup and get their message across ready for 2020 election... So not only do they need clegg to push it through if he can, if the next liberal leader was not looking like being Simon Hughes the committee would never go for it anyway as they won't want to be in coalition with a leader who does not want to be there...
In summary..... No clegg, no coalition, hence why the message has gone out to Tory voters in his constituency to vote for lib dems
PJV3
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They really would be up the creek without a paddle. I didn't realise he was standing down.
It's a bit sad that I know so much about the workings of the Libdem's, I must have an affair or get out more.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
I'm with you here. Talking about how the EU limits non-EU immigration is a legitimate concern raised by UKIP (one I heavily agree with) but the party itself shows no indication that they actually care about it as any more than a means to an end. They just want England for the English.
The main thing to be angry about - and not me, I didn't vote this way - is that the LDs came out strongly against it (the pledge) and then supported the tuition fee rise anyway.
NYCmetsfan
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What time will there start to be election coverage and can you watch it from the US?
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
You can watch live tv via the BBC website as a UK citizen... if only there was a way you could circumvent regional restrictions
You can watch live tv via the BBC website as a UK citizen... if only there was a way you could circumvent regional restrictions
I got to give you a Hola for that suggestion.
(technically, it's not being a UK citizen, it's being a UK TV licence payer etc - I'm a citizen but don't automatically get access).
So, http://fivethirtyeight.com/ are doing a cool thing tonight.
They've made a prediction of the outcome, like so many others, but they're also going to be updating that prediction in real time as results come in.
So if Labour are getting big early wins in crucial marginals, that will adjust their expected outcome, if the Lib Dems are holding seats that they weren't expected to, that will adjust their expected outcome, etc, etc.
Sounds like something interesting to watch for anybody staying up.
They've made a prediction of the outcome, like so many others, but they're also going to be updating that prediction in real time as results come in.
So if Labour are getting big early wins in crucial marginals, that will adjust their expected outcome, if the Lib Dems are holding seats that they weren't expected to, that will adjust their expected outcome, etc, etc.
Sounds like something interesting to watch for anybody staying up.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Oh yeah of course that tv licence pop up never goes a-fucking-way
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
BAHAHAHA
Iain Duncan Smith's wiki
YES
Aww it's gone now. It was a giant picture of Milliband saying vote labour.
Where do we find out times for when results are expected? I'm looking for Sheffield Hallam, Thanet, Nottingham South and Broxtowe.
Iain Duncan Smith's wiki
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Aww it's gone now. It was a giant picture of Milliband saying vote labour.
Where do we find out times for when results are expected? I'm looking for Sheffield Hallam, Thanet, Nottingham South and Broxtowe.
Black Republican
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i still cant believe tuition is 9k a year, luckily i just finished when it was 3k+
fucking robbery i tell you
fucking robbery i tell you
Futurematic
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You can watch live tv via the BBC website as a UK citizen... if only there was a way you could circumvent regional restrictions
Cough just think of the BBC like Netflix cough.
However BBC World News appears to be airing it so that's an option (should be the same coverage).
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Voted Labour.
Y'all are surprised by this shock revelation, I'm sure.
Y'all are surprised by this shock revelation, I'm sure.
Heck, I paid £1500 a year and I still haven't repaid my student loan (3 more years!). Under the current system, nobody is going to repay theirs. At least the repayments on Plan 2 are cheaper.
MrRoflWaffles
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A handy link for both of you: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/07/election-2015-a-guide-to-results-night
Has places to watch in the US, and a guide to the 'interesting' constituencies.
fizzelopeguss
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Julie Hilling, Labour, Bolton West CC
Summary of Claims
Accommodation £19,817.60
Office Costs £22,584.54
Staffing £138,045.05
Travel £12,080.12
Total £192,527.31
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2014/2015
Accommodation £13,352.30
Office Costs £11,495.48
Staffing £299.58
Travel £2,342.88
Total £27,490.24
190k for running a slum... It's good to be the king.
Yeah, I'm not honestly expecting it to happen for exactly that reason. I just wish it would.
Oh well.
PJV3
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Now That's what you call a pay cut.
True.
I do wonder what they horse traded away that they didn't just abstain on that vote.
None Of The Above should be an option, and be reported with the candidate votes.
I think there was a parliamentary committee looking into that possibility at some point.
QuicheFontaine
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I'm hoping someone can find one that breaks £250k - the top box on Deal or No Deal.
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Thanks for this! My thoughts looking at the declaration times:
Bristol West - 03:00 (deffo staying up for that one)
Sheffield Hallam - 04:30 (ooh, bit late but maaaaybe...)
Thanet South - 06:00 (nope)
"Fuck safe seats and first past the post" should be an option too
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