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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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it got the left wing of the tory party landslide victories and it's left the labour party unable to formulate a genuine left wing alternative as a result. they ceded the keys to power to the tories after five years of tory failure. new labour was a disaster for anybody who considers them anything more than token left-leaning.
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Genuinely, they didn't deserve this. I stand by that statement.
Unless a lot of people voted for Tories so they could get a vote?
So David Miliband then
HUZZAH! For everybody who said it was impossible- I thought so too. Amazing.
Yeah, I did feel pretty bad for him just looking at his face. Clegg has to go, he's been terminal cancer to the party.
Yup, he killed his party.
Non-brit here. Looks to me like Labour just refused to deal with the fact that the UK populace's public opinion has been drifting rightwards for the last 6 years minimum. They just didn't seem to deal with any of the issues that either the working class or hard left actually have, instead harping on easy points like the NHS. Losing centrist votes to the Tories as those people drift right, (some) working class votes to the UKIP on the immigration and Europe issues (not that they'd probably want those votes), left-leaning votes from idealists to the Greens and all of Scotland to the SNP.
I'm a left-leaning Guardian reader, but I can't figure out why on Earth I would have voted Labour. The memory of the Blair years when they were as bad as any Tories (lies, war, bank deregulation & meltdown, unchained immigration etc) is still in my mind. So what are my options? If I want to shift the country properly leftwards and vote with empathy then I'm voting green (what I would have done, most likely). If I want to vote out of self-interest and 'a safe pair of hands' for the economy I'd leave the Tories in power. Yes they can be nasty, especially to the most vulnerable but they tend to do exactly what they say on the tin, so they're at least honest. I know what I'm getting with them. If I'm okay with being selfish (I'm not) that's probably my vote. If I'm Scottish I vote for the SNP.
Watching from afar as a non-Brit with mostly British friends and workers I just don't get the current appeal of Labour - and I'd like to, I would. Every vote I've ever cast has been for the candidate on the left. As for Milliband, well, what can you say about his leadership. All the charisma of a wet rag. Message neither delivered nor received. Not sure where Labour go from here.
I've just seen this quick reaction piece in the Guardian having written this comment and I think it nails the basic reasons. It's a failure on all almost all fronts and it's embarrassing that they were as complacent with their strategy as they appeared to be. Let's see what the final numbers are, I suppose.
I'm a left-leaning Guardian reader, but I can't figure out why on Earth I would have voted Labour. The memory of the Blair years when they were as bad as any Tories (lies, war, bank deregulation & meltdown, unchained immigration etc) is still in my mind. So what are my options? If I want to shift the country properly leftwards and vote with empathy then I'm voting green (what I would have done, most likely). If I want to vote out of self-interest and 'a safe pair of hands' for the economy I'd leave the Tories in power. Yes they can be nasty, especially to the most vulnerable but they tend to do exactly what they say on the tin, so they're at least honest. I know what I'm getting with them. If I'm okay with being selfish (I'm not) that's probably my vote. If I'm Scottish I vote for the SNP.
Watching from afar as a non-Brit with mostly British friends and workers I just don't get the current appeal of Labour - and I'd like to, I would. Every vote I've ever cast has been for the candidate on the left. As for Milliband, well, what can you say about his leadership. All the charisma of a wet rag. Message neither delivered nor received. Not sure where Labour go from here.
I've just seen this quick reaction piece in the Guardian having written this comment and I think it nails the basic reasons. It's a failure on all almost all fronts and it's embarrassing that they were as complacent with their strategy as they appeared to be. Let's see what the final numbers are, I suppose.
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Them's your choices. Genuine left wing alternatives haven't got elected; we've just seen that. If you have any magic bullets to solve that problem, be my guest.
CyclopsRock
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Heh. Well I'm exactly the sort of person that the "LEave" campaign would be relying on voting to leave - a right-leaning person who basically doesn't much like the EU - and yet I'd vote to stay. All the major parties are in favour of staying in, major businesses etc. I just can't really see a scenario in which we left.
Not just killed, buried it as well.
my choice is to leave this country, bye, have fun.
I think they did a brave thing, but they handled it badly. They so wanted to make coalitions be seen to work, that they forget to differentiate until the final months. That was a fatal mistake
I would argue he put the final nail in the coffin of left-wing politics in Britain, quite frankly. Thatcher hammerred in most of them, Brown a couple more, but Clegg's impact has been huge.
Psychotext
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Nah, we don't have time for Plaid Cymru in Cardiff.
He's basically the Triple H of British politics.
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Kiever Sher
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Clegg gives Labour a head, Tories a heart and Lib Dems a bullet in the brain.
GazzaScotland
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Glasgow clean sweep for the SNP.
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Where you going to go? UK's political sphere is probably better than anywhere else in the Anglosphere. Cameron's shite, but he's not Abbott or Keys or Harper shite.
Pankratous
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I absolutely love Alex Salmond's speeches.
Pretty much. I felt bad for him. He lost not because of his own failures, but because of Clegg's.
CyclopsRock
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CLACTON KLAXON!
so in your opinion what are the chances for that scenario happen.
He fucking slaughtered it
there's one anglophone country that has actually improved it's social welfare over the last few years;
Pankratous
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How depressing that 35% of folk (so far) didn't bother voting. Like, that's a lot of people who don't care...
I never, ever understand what a minority partner in a coalition expects to get out of it. They are always punished next time around. The people that didn't like the government will never vote for you, those that did will move to the major party. Whatever little victories you think you've achieved in keeping the majority partner in check will be barely covered by the media and remembered by no one come polling day.
It's like accepting a ride in a Formula 1 car because it'll be super-fun despite knowing the ride ends with you smashing into a brick wall. I don't get it. I mean, this is hardly hindsight - everyone was saying this was a possibility the second the coalition was announced. We saw the exact same thing with the last two minority coalition parties here in Ireland (one of which was called Labour and the other the Greens, lol).
It's like accepting a ride in a Formula 1 car because it'll be super-fun despite knowing the ride ends with you smashing into a brick wall. I don't get it. I mean, this is hardly hindsight - everyone was saying this was a possibility the second the coalition was announced. We saw the exact same thing with the last two minority coalition parties here in Ireland (one of which was called Labour and the other the Greens, lol).
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You're upset with the state of British politics, so you're moving to America?
I mean, have you thought that one through?
CyclopsRock
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I can't really - I mean I just think there are too many powerful groups and people on the side of us staying that I think we'd just end up staying. The only way I could see that changing MAYBE is if something happens in the Eurozone that results in a significant increase in integration of the whole EU (due to, I dunno, Grexit fears) but I think that's unlikely.
Thurrock hold for the Blues!
Tory majority. Other than London and some Lib Dem seats, Labour just aren't winning the marginals
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His post is not inaccurate, though.
SymbiantXenos
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Remember 1997?
Sigh..
Sigh..
Lol.
So Carswell might genuinely be the only one, interesting.
CyclopsRock
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I'd move to the USA if I could. I love it there.
I loved Canada too, though, tbf.
I loved Canada too, though, tbf.
Jezbollah
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There is also Reckless, and perhaps Nige.
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I mean yes, America are very slowly improving social and welfare issues. However, they're also a massive distance behind us to begin with, so that's a pretty weird stance to take.
Both are predicted to lose though.
Or they could be so disillusioned with politics that they feel Labour and the Tories are the same in all but name?
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