Well I'm not sure confirming that a vote for the SNP gets you Labour anyway helps anything. They'd only end up winding the rest of the UK up.
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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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Well I'm not sure confirming that a vote for the SNP gets you Labour anyway helps anything. They'd only end up winding the rest of the UK up.
No its an article that you have latched on to because it supports your own political beliefs.
CyclopsRock
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Phisheep was right. Milibands tie seals the deal. Tory-Labour national government. Whoever gets the most seats gets to be PM and fly in the chopper, the runner up has to spend 5 years doing photo-ops in Standard class on Thameslink.
What would the SNP rebel on?
They would be more likely to abstain from most things than straight out rebel and without their votes a minority Labour government would struggle to do anything.
Another election within a year does sound incredibly likely.
But why?
I tend agree with you, but he will be pissing the SNP off with his 'I dare you to vote Tory' gamble
remember SNP are calling Labour Tory Light
Yeah, no.
No, it is an article by one of the worlds foremost economic experts and, to be honest, all it is really doing is explaining basic economics. Don't try to casually dismiss it just because it doesn't align with your own political agenda.
They already don't take part in devolved things and more things are already set to be devolved. Unless Labour tries to straight up kill that, why would SNP start showing up without a deal?
The SNP will vote for most of the stuff in the Labour manifesto (because half of it is in the SNP manifesto), they might offer some amendments to jazz it up which they'll use to beat up Labour up here with. "Look even with us pushing them they'd only to A,B,C when we offered to vote through X,Y,Z"
Mr lowest common denominator, from the school of common sense.
He can't prevent the SNP voting for his Queen's Speech. What's he going to do, set up a barricade outside the voting chamber?
Please learn that there are many economists experts, all held in just as high regard and alot of them have different views from each other. But then again, I guess you have that left wing rag bookmarked so I doubt your horizon stretches far
More Fun To Compute
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I probably wouldn't vote labour if they were open to a coalition with the SNP.
Could you possibly try replying to people without getting personal? It doesn't make your views any more relevant or theirs any less so, plus it's incredibly petty and ignorant. You disagreeing with people doesn't make them dumb as you seem eager to imply.
To be fair to Ed, he is being hounded from both sides on this matter which means there are no easy ways to deal with it atm in time.
The truth of the matter is this: He needs some sort of SNP support if he wants to be PM. At the moment it looks like he is throwing the ball in the SNP's court and daring them to vote down a Labour government. The only problem with this is that they may not vote down a Labour government, but without a formal agreement he will find it hard to get legislation through parliament
More Fun To Compute
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Better for Labour not to form a government and not destroy the party forever by making too many deals with them. If SNP voters are happy with another Cameron govt then they can take a shortcut and vote tory. SNP are very big on making outrageous promises of what other people will do if you vote for them and are normally dead wrong.
Wrestlemania
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Are there any specific theoretical deals you're concerned about?
More Fun To Compute
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What do you mean by theoretical deals? Sharing political power with a party that will not make a decent government is not a thing to vote for.
FlammableD
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More Fun To Compute
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i don't get it
You vote for the party you want not a coalition or protest.
Wrestlemania
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FlammableD
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And the polls are showing Scots want SNP. So what's the problem?
Forget the repulsive gay bigotry comments from that earlier Northern Ireland debate - that is the most sickening election message I've seen so far.
More Fun To Compute
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Not enough seats in Scotland to form a majority in UK. Obv.
They've apparently another of Dodds in his Orange sash but I'm yet to see it.
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It is Paul Krugman not just any old economist. One of the worst posts in this thread. If you disagree find something that disputes it. Also, the guardian posts opinion pieces from all sorts of people, it is one of their best attributes.
The *Economist* thanks that austerity was garbage and killed the recovery, and that the best thing Osborne did was quietly get rid of it - although not fast enough accordng to their article today.
The right wing, business and trade friendly, economically liberal Economist says that austerity was wrong and harmful. That's hardly a 'left wing rag' and they are backing the Tories for re-election!
(They also repeatedly point out that the idea that Labour ran up a massive deficit simply isn't true).
The right wing, business and trade friendly, economically liberal Economist says that austerity was wrong and harmful. That's hardly a 'left wing rag' and they are backing the Tories for re-election!
(They also repeatedly point out that the idea that Labour ran up a massive deficit simply isn't true).
Why work on policies when you can just wave a flag depressing what about that nutter in tyrone
Miles Quaritch
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That's surprising from The Economist, but I guess facts come before pandering to a certain group when your publications integrity is at stake.
People misunderstand the Economist. They aren't at all right wing in the Koch brothers sense of the word, or really like the American right at all. They are a classic economically liberal, free traded supporting, socially liberal publication. The essence of centre right without the social baggage - they had gay marriage on the cover of the magazine in the 90s and have been a supporter for a long time. They backed Obama for president twice, the first time they have ever backed the same candidate in the American elections.
They are, and I say this as a leftie, the best example I can give of a sane, rational right wing viewpoint and stance that I often find myself agreeing with. It's also a great magazine for keeping up to speed with the rest of the world that the UK and USA media ignores...
It's awful that co-operating with the SNP should be enough to destroy a party. What kind of message does that send to voters in Scotland?
I don't want Scotland to go independent but I don't have a personal hatred for Alex Salmond over it. SNP aren't extremists, they're just people I happen to disagree with on one issue.
Kotetsu534
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I buy The Economist whenever I'm going on a long train/flight despite being on the social and economic left. I'm usually left with much to think about from its columns, especially those on the developing world.
Jeremy Warner's finance column in the DT is a good right wing read too.
More Fun To Compute
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I don't get it. I thought that Scottish people were trying to send some sort of message to the rest of the UK by voting SNP not rest of UK sending message to them by not giving a fuck? SNP agenda for this election is to make Labour seem weak and UK parties not fit to rule that is their agenda for the next parliament. Obv Labour should not cooperate with that.
And they'd rather let the Tories back in than cooperate, apparently. That will do wonders for the next referendum's result.
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