Little Old Man
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I can't believe how well the Tories have sold the 'government-household finance' analogy to the public. I'm cringing at the comparisons to spending money on beer at the end of the week, from someone working in finance no less.
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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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CyclopsRock
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Lol, you guys are so stupidly hostile to anyone supporting the Tories. The guy thinks they've done well and half of you call him irrational and dumb.
killer_clank
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Miliband is getting very boxed in here. Not good at all at dealing with the last government.
Scousefury
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Yes but the questions are based on lies and bullshit, how was a global crisis caused by labour spending money on schools. It hurts just listening to it
The gold mate. The gold. Finance poured millions into the economy.
killer_clank
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Oh dear god what is he doing on this SNP question. SNP HQ will be on red alert and pouring the champagne.
... besides avaya's longer post explaining why the tories haven't actually presided over economic success, but nevermind that eh.
killer_clank
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He's essentially saying he'd rather the tories in than work with democratically elected scottish MP's will go down like a bag of cold sick on the doorstep in Scotland.
Scousefury
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If he allows the tory's in by not going with the snp he should be taken outside and shot
CyclopsRock
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Half of you, half of you, half of you. Surely you all realise that both sides can and do make the arguments. Reducing your opponent to a slathering moron is just so nakedly partisan and makes everyone look like a goon.
It is objectively false that this government has been good on the economy. If we believed in facts it would be their weakest card.
But it doesn't matter, we are in lowest common denominator mode.
Ravensmash
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Well... You can't claim he's not being bold tonight.
A man lacking in confidence would not have said that re: SNP
A man lacking in confidence would not have said that re: SNP
He's one of those got all the answers guys.
killer_clank
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Throwing Jim Murphy under a bus to shore up the English marginal vote. Might be a good strategic decision. For him at least.
Something, something getting the politicians we deserve...
I'm OK with this, Murphy is patently unfit to be a representative Scottish Labour leader.
I'm OK with this, Murphy is patently unfit to be a representative Scottish Labour leader.
Coalitions aren't mandatory.
They are presiding over the fastest growing western economy though. From what I can gather from this thread, the tanking of the economy wasn't the previous labour governments fault and the reasonably well performing economy at the moment isn't at all down to the current government. Hmm.
I would imagine Sinn Fein are rubbing their hands together at the possibility of Britain voting out of the EU and while NI votes to stay. (my internet has tanked so I can't get any updated eurobarometer figures, but from 75-06 support for EU was much higher than the rest of the UK)
If the SNP MPs don't want to vote for a Labour Queen's Speech, then they'll be the ones bringing down a Labour minority government.
He neatly sidestepped the answer the guy wanted about the queens speech. The SNP would still vote him in.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Not saying I agree or not, but isn't it logically coherent to suggest that the economy operated above the tinkering of New Labour and the coalition?
You really should read the Krugman article below. There is a reason he is one of the world's leading economists.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2015/apr/29/the-austerity-delusion
SymbiantXenos
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Exactly the SNP aren't going to stand against a queens speech vote for labor.
killer_clank
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it doesn't matter what the reality may or may not be, the fact is the SNP now have their line of the last week of the campaign served up on a plate.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
to be fair labour's website is very clear on this
http://www.labour.org.uk/issues/detail/zero-hours-contracts
It is about ending exploitative zero hours contracts. Which is a good thing! Best of both worlds. Says person on zero hours contracts.
Joel Was Right
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I could see that happening.
Poor Ed
Poor Ed
SymbiantXenos
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Were at the booo those immigrants part of the night. At least let him finish the answer.
chancellor
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Watch your step Ed.
Jezbollah
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Indeed. And I actually think it's very reasonable.
Ed almost stacked it coming off the stage there...
Wow - that first question to Nick
CyclopsRock
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Oh pull the other one. Objectively? Really? "Objectively false" that it's been "good on the economy". Listen to yourself. On any given issue there are a kabillion different metrics to measure. What's good depends entirely on your goals. Wage growth has been poor, employment growth has been great. Income tax threshold going up was good for salaried staff, vat going up was bad for consumers. Low interest rates have been good for people in debt, bad for people saving. Corporation tax going down has been good for big business, NI free employees have been good for small businesses. HS2 decision is good for Midland cities, lack of airport expansion decision has been bad for London.
Objective. Fuck me. It doesn't even make sense. Even the Khmer Rouge was good for Pol Pot!
This isn't throwing him under a bus. At all. I don't think people are understanding what's currently going on?
Labour have held scottish seats for *years* on the basis of being the anti-tory party. If Ed comes out now and says he'll work with the SNP to keep the Tories out of government, he can write off every single scottish seat, today. It would instantly legitimise everything the SNP have said, and makes it completely safe for every Scottish labour voter to vote SNP I stead of labour.
Of course post election he will change his tune. But right now the only hope labour have of keeping any seats in Scotland is by focussing on labour being the only major party that can form a government, and that voting SNP gives the Tories a change at power.
He literally has no other option currently if labour want to hold Scottish seats.
Should have had the HSE all over that hidden step...needs more red tape!
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Exactly!
And when Scottish Labour fail completely, he can make a deal with the SNP for the good of the country.
Also, an opportunity will arise to purge Scottish Labour of the shit and rebuild to something credible, hopefully. The longer SNP are dominant the less popular they will become
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Sort of works both ways, though. If a Labour minority government doesn't at least partially co-operate with the democratically elected SNP, why should Scotland stick around at all?
killer_clank
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No, it says "fuck you scotland". We were told all the way through the referendum "don't leave the UK, change the UK". Scotland elects the party it wants at Westminster democratically which have a whole lot in common with the Labour party and could deliver a progressive agenda. Him saying he'd rather have the Tories in than deal with Scotland's electoral choice is a great big fuck you to everything said during the referendum.
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