MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility

Kayant said:
You may want to see your point again because by your logic MS won't be doing the same yet they have/are.




Really loool do you have a link. Well it could work well for them in the US/UK.
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It's during the day 1 stream. The one where jeff straight out asked them whats it going to take to stop releasing broken games???

Really this is quite obvious what the driving force behind this is. They are hemorrhaging 360 fans to the ps4. If this was ONLY about catering to fans the xbox one would have launched with the capability similar to the original PS3.
 
I mainly want BC on PS4 since I, and millions of other Xbox 360-only gamers, missed out on a lot of great PS3 titles, like Infamous, Killzone, Resistence, God of War, Metal Gear Solid 4, Demon's Souls, Ni No Kuni, etc.

... Though, at this point, just buying a cheap PS3 is the most sensible choice.
 
Lockjaw333 said:
Jesus. This reply sounds like something you would have heard out of Xbox at the beginning of the gen. If the current situation was reversed and MS made this comment people would be slaughtering them.


If backwards compatability is under used why did they invest in gaikai and create ps now???
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I'm pretty sure Share Play also uses this technology. Not to mention, being able to play PS3 games on a TV that doesn't need to have a console attached to it. PS Now is not really a backwards compatibility crutch. It's a way for people who didn't have a PS3, or a specific game on it, to play on any of the devices that allow it. There's a big difference.
 
KillerSloth said:
Ps now is not the same man holy crap...can MS BC play games on Tablet or tv? Nope its a different platform, why is this hard to understand?
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It's not hard to understand. The PS guy said that BC is such an unused feature. Both BC and PSnow give the ability to play old games. It would imply that no one is really bothered about playing older games is BC is an unused feature, so why build a model around this.
 
I'm going to agree with BC not being used that much. That's why I said its really not that big of a deal that they put it on the Xbox One.

Cool that they implemented it but as I said its not enough to steal the show.
 
SuperRaddy said:
It's not hard to understand. The PS guy said that BC is such an unused feature. Both BC and PSnow give the ability to play old games. It would imply that no one is really bothered about playing older games is BC is an unused feature, so why build a model around this.
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Probably because he was speaking from a time before digital downloads where people usually sold their old games when or prior to upgrading, minus enthusiasts.
 
The Beard said:
Wut ? Lol
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Most people don't maintain game libraries. They view it as more disposable entertainment. It's why the secondary market is so big and of such concern for the publishers. NeoGaf folks are outliers, we're enthusiasts who hoard games. For us BC and EMU is great; for them it's mostly shoulder shrugs and they badly out number us.
 
erotic grandpa said:
Pretty sure they've said they're using emulation to pull it off. They made it clear that it'd take no effort on part of the developers to whitelist their game, just their approval.
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Microsoft will do the work not the developer's but it's not as easy to copy and paste on an emulator, different games will have bugs that need to be worked out and that could take weeks and Microsoft will have to pay them.
 
vcc said:
So you download the whole game again right?
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Yep. For digital games you have previously purchased, they show up in your library ready to install (similar to how they do on PS4 for PS+ titles).

My understanding is that disc games will show up to download and install when the game is in the Xbox One, but I haven't tried that yet.
 
phanphare said:
you get access to things you paid for in the ecosystem you bought them in
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The ecosystem you bought them in being the hardware you bought them for yeah? Halo 2 was a PC game that ran on Windows 7 but If I tried to run it now on Windows 8 it likely wouldn't even try to open because of incompatibility.
 
gai_shain said:
People that bought alot of digital games on the previous gen benefit alot from it for example without having to keep around an extra console.
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Oh yeah for sure. I get that. I think it's awesome that MS was able to do this. It's just, there are so many games coming out on current consoles to even bother going back and having to time to play old games I already did. It would have to be a super special game to go back and play personally. And it seems most of those games get remasters anyway that I would rather play lol.
 
SuperRaddy said:
It's not hard to understand. The PS guy said that BC is such an unused feature. Both BC and PSnow give the ability to play old games. It would imply that no one is really bothered about playing older games is BC is an unused feature, so why build a model around this.
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OMG they didnt build the model around this, PS now allows you to play games on a TV, tablet without a console, and it eventually won;t just be old games........Not rocket science bro. It's a long term platform that will grow.
 
vcc said:
Most people don't maintain game libraries. They view it as more disposable entertainment. It's why the secondary market is so big and of such concern for the publishers. NeoGaf folks are outliers, we're enthusiasts who hoard games. For us BC and EMU is great; for them it's mostly shoulder shrugs and they badly out number us.
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I wouldn't speak for everyone, only reason why I have games hoarded now is because I go digital. Before that I never had more than 2 games in the house at a time.
 
Zophar said:
The Xbox solution is really messy, uneven, and less than ideal, tbh. If you can't have actual native BC I would much prefer a streaming solution, if it meant the games worked/looked exactly as they once did, and I wasn't barred by what's supported and what isn't.
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Wait what? They've developed an emulator that pretty much acts like the 360 in both hardware and OS ie. it runs the same for every 360 game (little to no tweaks needed, original bits are untouched, just needed a wrapper telling the XboxOne what game is being emulated because as far as the XboxOne is concerned, it thinks it's running a generic game. Which is why XboxOne features like GameDVR and screenshots work flawlessly.)

You might've also missed the fact that the emulator also runs the 360 OS so features like party chat, friends list, achievement notifications work exactly like it does on a 360 console.

Currently the only obstacle they're faced with is getting publisher's approval (with this generation of remasters, I'm not surprised), Kinect games won't work and getting multi-discs game to work.

Short of having discs being read directly to run the game, they couldn't have provided a more elegant solution for backwards compatibility than this.
 
vcc said:
Enthusiasts like the folks to frequent neogaf usually have lots of games and like to play old ones so we have a outlier valuation on BC. It's very useful for enthusiasts and we value it a lot. However the mainstream generally doesn't care after the first few months.
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Yeah good games will always be good games. BC is part of the reason that the PC platform is so important to me. But there are lots of different types of gamers and some of them don't carw about the history of gaming or playing old games and that's cool too.

Also why are so many people going out of their way to discredit or downplay X1 BC and PSNow? You can make a case for whichever you prefer without being as dimissive as possible of the other. They both have advantages and disadvantages but options are never a bad thing.
 
Hearing about this is seriously disappointing. I would seriously buy a new PS4 for $600 if it had a 2tb hard drive and the chipsets necessary to play PS1, 2, 3, and 4 games all in the same box. Sony could one-up Microsoft on this if they did a new SKU that does hardware emulation of every game, but for some reason they're gauging interest in backwards compatibility on how much people with the very first version of the PS3 used it. Ridiculous.

Also if I remember right, they were able to do yet another die shrink on the cell processor, and that has yet to make it into any hardware.
 
I've always been a big fan of having backwards compatibility in my consoles but I really can understand what Jim Ryan is saying. As much as I think it's a fantastic thing, in reality when I've had backwards compatibility in consoles (PS2/PS3/Wii U/360) I will have used it less than half a dozen times on each console.

I know that it's different for other people but if Microsoft and Sony both announced today that their current consoles would have 100% compatibility with all the games on their previous consoles I wold be so happy and I'd probably tell myself that I'd use it but I know full well that I wouldn't.
 
All Sony needs to do is that if user has digitally bought a PS3/PS2(disc) game or have a game disc (have to put the PS3 disc in PS4), they should make that PSNow game available at a high discount or free. That would be a good strategy for PSNow and make gamers happy too.

Personally I don't care much about BC. When I move to a new console, I hardly play old games on older console.
 
jaypah said:
Yeah good games will always be good games. BC is part of the reason that the PC platform is so important to me. But there are lots of different types of gamers and some of them don't carw about the history of gaming or playing old games and that's cool too.

Also why are so many people going out of their way to discredit or downplay X1 BC and PSNow? You can make a case for whichever you prefer without being as dimissive as possible of the other. They both have advantages and disadvantages but options are never a bad thing.
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PC EMU for the PS2 is now good. PS3 will probably be perfect by the time the PS5 hits. OGXB still spotty?
 
Great move by ms, but we still need to see how the list will shape up.

Sony on the other hand just think that it's not worth chasing a BC because of the low percentage people that actually use it and the complexity of PS3's architecture.

But where is the emulation of PS Classics? It should not be that hard to implement.
 
Adam_Roman said:
Hearing about this is seriously disappointing. I would seriously buy a new PS4 for $600 if it had a 2tb hard drive and the chipsets necessary to play PS1, 2, 3, and 4 games all in the same box. Sony could one-up Microsoft on this if they did a new SKU that does hardware emulation of every game, but for some reason they're gauging interest in backwards compatibility on how much people with the very first version of the PS3 used it. Ridiculous. If I remember right, they were able to do yet another die shrink on the cell processor, and that has yet to make it into any hardware.
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Really? You think announcing a $600 SKU would "one-up" MS? That thing would sell like dog shit.
 
Impeccable said:
It's absolutely true that it is highly requested but used little.

It's a PR home run for Microsoft, though.
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I think this generation is different. Personal opinion but I'd be ok with playing 360 games. To me the graphical jump isn't as big as previous generations.
 
i-Lo said:
But what's stopping them from emulating PS1 & 2 like PS3?
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They spread out their internal teams to encourage third party studios to release games for the PS4. This years bumper crop of Japanese PS4 games is due to them lending out all the assets they would have needed to make the SW PS1/2 EMU.
 
KillerSloth said:
OMG they didnt build the model around this, PS now allows you to play games on a TV, tablet without a console, and it eventually won;t just be old games........Not rocket science bro. It's a long term platform that will grow.
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You are trying so hard to argue this, when the root of your argument is semantics.

PS Now might not have been built solely with backwards compatibility in mind, but you have to admit that one of its features is to allow users to play old games on a newer console.
 
SuperRaddy said:
It's not hard to understand. The PS guy said that BC is such an unused feature. Both BC and PSnow give the ability to play old games. It would imply that no one is really bothered about playing older games is BC is an unused feature, so why build a model around this.
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Because this is not only for PS3 games??? The idea is to, in the near future, have all PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4 and next gen games, that is if sony even decides to launch PS5 or PS6 and just go with PS Now for Gen 9 or 10.

That's the difference. PS Now is not tied to a specific console, but any enabled PS Now device.

In conclusion, PS Now is not BC, but a work in progress for what gaming will be like in the future.
 
Adam_Roman said:
Hearing about this is seriously disappointing. I would seriously buy a new PS4 for $600 if it had a 2tb hard drive and the chipsets necessary to play PS1, 2, 3, and 4 games all in the same box. Sony could one-up Microsoft on this if they did a new SKU that does hardware emulation of every game, but for some reason they're gauging interest in backwards compatibility on how much people with the very first version of the PS3 used it. Ridiculous.

Also if I remember right, they were able to do yet another die shrink on the cell processor, and that has yet to make it into any hardware.
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I would pay 1000 for it to walk my dog too
 
Adam_Roman said:
Hearing about this is seriously disappointing. I would seriously buy a new PS4 for $600 if it had a 2tb hard drive and the chipsets necessary to play PS1, 2, 3, and 4 games all in the same box. Sony could one-up Microsoft on this if they did a new SKU that does hardware emulation of every game, but for some reason they're gauging interest in backwards compatibility on how much people with the very first version of the PS3 used it. Ridiculous.

Also if I remember right, they were able to do yet another die shrink on the cell processor, and that has yet to make it into any hardware.
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You would buy for $600 and so would about 20 other people. We've seen how well consoles priced above $400 sell. It's not well.
 
The real issue isn't PS3 emulation - that'll never happen. The real issue is PS1/PS2 emulation, which Sony already had a platform for that they've seemingly abandoned. I don't really get it - the PS1 Classics seemed to sell well, so why haven't we heard about them?
 
vcc said:
Most people don't maintain game libraries. They view it as more disposable entertainment. It's why the secondary market is so big and of such concern for the publishers. NeoGaf folks are outliers, we're enthusiasts who hoard games. For us BC and EMU is great; for them it's mostly shoulder shrugs and they badly out number us.
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Well, before the PS3/360 I didn't have a substantial digital library of games. I don't hold onto very many disc games, as I'd rather trade/sell/give them away, just as I did for most (thousands) of my CD/DVD/Blu-ray discs.

However, I do have a lot of digital games on the 360 that I would still like to play, and quite a few that I would like to play with my kids now that they are old enough to enjoy them. I still have the 360 setup in the basement, but that is more of area for my kids to play. Being able to play on the Xbox One in the family room is something I will use, and already have.
 
i-Lo said:
But what's stopping them from emulating PS1 & 2 like PS3?
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This is what I've been asking as well, like the other poster said, I'd spend.... 800$? 900? making a PlayStation box that could play PS1/2 classics beside PS4 games.

The only PS3 game I care about is Demon's Souls, and I still yearn for a remaster/digital rerelease that will most likely never happen...
 
ElNino said:
Well, before the PS3/360 I didn't have a substantial digital library of games. I don't hold onto very many disc games, as I'd rather trade/sell/give them away, just as I did for most (thousands) of my CD/DVD/Blu-ray discs.

However, I do have a lot of digital games on the 360 that I would still like to play, and quite a few that I would like to play with my kids now that they are old enough to enjoy them. I still have the 360 setup in the basement, but that is more of area for my kids to play. Being able to play on the Xbox One in the family room is something I will use, and already have.
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I keep my consoles until PC EMU does a good enough job. Then I put them in storage.
 
vcc said:
They spread out their internal teams to encourage third party studios to release games for the PS4. This years bumper crop of Japanese PS4 games is due to them lending out all the assets they would have needed to make the SW PS1/2 EMU.
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Interesting. Do you have a source for this?
 
I disagree on the idea that 360 backwards compatibility is something that hardly anyone would use nowadays. 360 games on XB1 are essentially XB1 games. They are fully integrated into the OS so you don't need to boot into a limited version of your new console (Xbox games on 360 or Wii on Wii U) while you also get all the advantages of being an XB1 game with features like broadcasting or screenshots.

Why wouldn't you want to buy a 360 game to play on XB1 if it was something you wanted to try? Is it just because the game is old? Will folk ignore 360 games for sale on the XB1 marketplace just because they run at 720p? Do games like Republic Commando not sell on Steam because they lack native 16:9 or controller support?
 
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