Sammy Samusu
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Toukiden
I dare you to defend this.
I dare you to say Phantasy Star Portable, God Eater, Lord Of, Valhalla Knights, Soul Sacrifice and many others were not inspired by Monster Hunter.
Seriously.
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I dare you to defend this.
I dare you to say Phantasy Star Portable, God Eater, Lord Of, Valhalla Knights, Soul Sacrifice and many others were not inspired by Monster Hunter.
Seriously.
Toukiden
I dare you to defend this.
Holy shit. :lol
Sammy Samusu
Member
Wait, there's more!
They have just announced two new weapons: Dual Swords and Lance!
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Just like the success of RE4 and GoW inspired plenty of other TPS, MH inspired plenty of action games. Those are not MH clones.
Toukiden does seem to be a clone, using the same basic UI and systems.
What is the problem with being a Monster Hunter inspired game?
It's basically a new genre, and a successful one. Why wouldn't more companies try to make another game in the same style? Being on the same genre is different than being a cheap clone. Soul Sacrifice obviously inspired by monster Hunter, but a lot different at the same time.
But saying DD is a MH clone is absurd. People also compare Dark Souls to Monster Hunter...
It's basically a new genre, and a successful one. Why wouldn't more companies try to make another game in the same style? Being on the same genre is different than being a cheap clone. Soul Sacrifice obviously inspired by monster Hunter, but a lot different at the same time.
But saying DD is a MH clone is absurd. People also compare Dark Souls to Monster Hunter...
Sammy Samusu
Member
None, the problem is people not admitting it.
Who is not admitting it?
There's a big difference between being MH clone and being a game inspired by the success of MH.
Sammy Samusu
Member
They are going to arrive soon, lol. And you can check past threads too, like the one Nirolak mentioned.
A certain amount of the "Monster Hunter clones" argument is semantics.
I'm certainly not arguing that it's nominally a Portable game, but it's basically an expansion of Tri and 3rd, not too far off from 2nd G being an expansion of 2nd.
As far as customer's decision to buy it, I believe they were comparing it to Portable 3rd (which has much the same content - hence the lower sales). In terms of Capcom's decision to put it on the 3DS, I think they decided that that's where the local multiplayer games will be going in the future, and that the Portable name is done for now.
I don't think this is like Metal Gear Solid where the "Solid" where you can't drop that last bit of the name.
In order for you to claim that it's a mainline game, you've also go to say that it's the first mainline game on a handheld, the first mainline game with local play, and the first mainline game to import content from a Portable game.
Thank you, I'll give it a look later.
I'm certainly not arguing that it's nominally a Portable game, but it's basically an expansion of Tri and 3rd, not too far off from 2nd G being an expansion of 2nd.
As far as customer's decision to buy it, I believe they were comparing it to Portable 3rd (which has much the same content - hence the lower sales). In terms of Capcom's decision to put it on the 3DS, I think they decided that that's where the local multiplayer games will be going in the future, and that the Portable name is done for now.
I don't think this is like Metal Gear Solid where the "Solid" where you can't drop that last bit of the name.
In order for you to claim that it's a mainline game, you've also go to say that it's the first mainline game on a handheld, the first mainline game with local play, and the first mainline game to import content from a Portable game.
Thank you, I'll give it a look later.
I would like to make a request .
Since this is the most likely thread to find some gaffers who live in japan or at least speak the language.
Could anyone say what the average japanese gamer perception is to Nintendo and sony?
Do they view the wii u as much as a disaster as we are seeing here and is it throwing a lot of negativity towards nintendo in their eyes?
Also how is the VITA percieved over there (post price cut)?
Also any perceptions regarding Ps4 to be found?
sorry if OT.
Since this is the most likely thread to find some gaffers who live in japan or at least speak the language.
Could anyone say what the average japanese gamer perception is to Nintendo and sony?
Do they view the wii u as much as a disaster as we are seeing here and is it throwing a lot of negativity towards nintendo in their eyes?
Also how is the VITA percieved over there (post price cut)?
Also any perceptions regarding Ps4 to be found?
sorry if OT.
Bruno MB
Member
[NGB] Pokémon Red / Green / Blue (Nintendo) - 140.074 / 7.783.101
Okay. I dare to say that. I would say that Phantasy Star Portable is no inspired by Monster Hunter at all. Why?
Phantasy Star Online:
Phantasy Star Universe:
Phantasy Star Portable:
What do you have to say for yourself?
Oh mah god don't tease me with a MH made for PS4. I don't wanna get my hopes up.
Toukiden
lol is that the Flooded Forest?
Reggie
AHHHHH!!!!
:lol
Some Japanese businessman with close ties to Yamauchi, not a former developer
Probably
Mario already got it in Famitsu IIRC
Sammy Samusu
Member
Would Sega have released a Phantasy Star local multiplayer on PSP if not for Monster Hunter success?
Some are straight up shameless clones, some are inspired, but they are all under the influence of Monster Hunter.
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It's JUST shy actually: 1 995 947
djplaeskool
Member
It probably helped in the decision, but PSO Ep I and II had local multiplayer on the gamecube, so there isn't much to accuse it of here.
Must have been Easter.
PSO had offline splitscreen multiplayer, so I don't see why not. The PSP's adhoc mode was extremely popular in Japan so why wouldn't they take advantage of it? Which part of PSP was inspired by Monster Hunter? Which part of the gameplay design? What did they copy from Monster Hunter? Once they knew there was enough of an audience for the game on the PSP to be worth putting up online servers, PSP2 immediately went online. So it was a question of seeing if there was demand for the Phantasy Star series on the PS. The series existed long before Monster Hunter did.
That's like saying Call of Duty is "inspired by Halo" because the series is on consoles now after Halo showed that FPS games can be popular on consoles. It's rubbish talking.
The Wii U found a system seller. Well for 10k additional sales at least. Dragon Quest was such a great franchise, after FF Square-Enix is now trying to killing of DQ too?
22k for a new Nintendo game? Will Nintendo be another Japanese publisher being victim of the HD transition? (Obviously we will know only after the next christmas season).
Vita sales have not stabilized yet, the search for the new bottom continues. Same as the old bottom?
22k for a new Nintendo game? Will Nintendo be another Japanese publisher being victim of the HD transition? (Obviously we will know only after the next christmas season).
Vita sales have not stabilized yet, the search for the new bottom continues. Same as the old bottom?
AranhaHunter
Banned
Until we see a (+) next to its weekly average, I don't think we can consider it as having any type of legs, numbers are still dropping.
Toukiden
I dare you to defend this.
I dare you to say Phantasy Star Portable, God Eater, Lord Of, Valhalla Knights, Soul Sacrifice and many others were not inspired by Monster Hunter.
Seriously.
The only one I'll disagree on is Phantasy Star Portable, given when PSO came into existence.
I agree they changed their marketing imagery and may have made some structural changes, but I think that's notably different than creating a series around the idea of appealing to the Monster Hunter fanbase.
Agreed, Phantasy Star Portable is influenced by PSO which is far closer to Diablo than Monster Hunter.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I imagine Sega at some point (whether it be development or marketing) realized the Monster Hunter boom could help PSP, but I doubt it was their sole motivation for making the game.
Edit: By PSP here, I meant Phantasy Star Portable.
Edit: By PSP here, I meant Phantasy Star Portable.
PSO had offline splitscreen multiplayer, so I don't see why not. The PSP's adhoc mode was extremely popular in Japan so why wouldn't they take advantage of it? Which part of PSP was inspired by Monster Hunter? Which part of the gameplay design? What did they copy from Monster Hunter? Once they knew there was enough of an audience for the game on the PSP to be worth putting up online servers, PSP2 immediately went online. So it was a question of seeing if there was demand for the Phantasy Star series on the PS. The series existed long before Monster Hunter did.
That's like saying Call of Duty is "inspired by Halo" because the series is on consoles now after Halo showed that FPS games can be popular on consoles. It's rubbish talking.
It's also like saying the kinect is inspired by the Wii. What's particularly wrong with saying it was "inspired" by? Yes CoD say Halo sales and thought to itself that it should try and make inroads in that market, it clearly was "inspired" by Halo. Phantasy Star P was probably "inspired" in the same way, so I'd argue it's not a shameless ripoff but very much there because of Monster hunter.
That is what duckroll said, but Monster Hunter isn't the only reason.
staticneuron
Member
Toukiden
I dare you to defend this.
I dare you to say Phantasy Star Portable, God Eater, Lord Of, Valhalla Knights, Soul Sacrifice and many others were not inspired by Monster Hunter.
Seriously.
Are you being serious or just joking?
Phantasy Star Portable is inspired by Phantasy star online. If the only defining metric is multiple players fighting on stage to take down a large enemy then you could say that Monster Hunter took its inspirations from Phantasy star online, which predates Monster Hunter by 4 years. To be honest there might even be another franchise that does this as well I simply cannot recall another one at this time.
But if you are not talking about who is first vs who is more popular than I could see where your coming from.
But to get more into detail Monster Hunter is a game where you hunt monsters of various sizes (normally very large). There are no levels persay just stats influenced by armor and weapons made from the parts of the monsters you successfully hunted. There is only one town that serves as a hub, the rest is on the field doing a mission. The game sort of feels more like SoTC where each encounter is treated like a boss battle.
Valhalla Knights is an Action RPG complete with stats and levels, you may fight monsters and other human beings but it is not centered around large boss battles like Monhun.
From VH
Does that scream monster hunter to you?
God Eater, Lords of arcana, Toukiden and Soul Sacrifice are titles that look more inspired by MonHun than any other game but people label games way to easy without looking at the details. I half expect people to start calling EDF a MonHon clone as well.
But as far as inspirations go you could find that in almost anything
great video series about similar idea here http://vimeo.com/14912890
Edit: Beaten like a red headed step child. Lol, alot of Phantasy Star fans here I see.
Inspired by implies they took idea from some game elements, not that the pubs found it was a viable business venue.
electroplankton
Banned
I think Namco Bandai was right in putting a Dragon Ball game targeted to kids on 3DS. The IP should find other entries on the same platform give how successful Heroes has been.
Why do you think Monster Hunter on PS3 (or even PS4!) might succeed in the West? It didn't succeed on PS2, and on Sony platforms it wouldn't have Nintendo's shipping and promotional effort.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Demons souls is my favourite monster hunter clone.
It will be 10-11k next week- the bump was probably 95% the DQX bundle.
Maybe it gets to 15k or so for Golden Week just because its the holidays and the Pokemon game is out, but there won't be any real breakthrough until June at the earliest.
electroplankton
Banned
Uhm, no. It's still dropping. Take into account that weekly declines tend to be smaller when there aren't many units.
Magicpaint
Member
Wii U is going all the way down south next week and will probably be doing sub-10k numbers soon enough. This week was supposed to be a bit of a reprieve for the console, but seeing as how the bump is so little, then that obviously isn't encouraging. There's nothing available for Golden Week that can drive momentum, either.
Perhaps this has already been addressed but when is the meeting scheduled to be held? Thanks.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Phantasy Star is a different beast, I shouldn't have included it in the same list.
I know it's an original game, but as I have mentioned, I do believe the MH explosion is the reason behind PS games on PSP. It's not a clone, but MH definitely gave new life to PS.
I know it's an original game, but as I have mentioned, I do believe the MH explosion is the reason behind PS games on PSP. It's not a clone, but MH definitely gave new life to PS.
I think that's all we're saying, you shouldn't have included it on that list. Lol. Glad we agree now!
My hat off for you, many thanks. Will be a very interesting meting, and the transcript/QA
Being a sometimes fan of Phantasy Star Online (Was PS0 worth it for single player?), I think Phantasy Star Portable wasn't based off Monster Hunter. But I suspect that it was deliberately marketed to compare itself to Monster Hunter.
Quick trip to Youtube: Not a lot of gameplay in general, but this shows a big monster and no mobs. This has a prominent shot of a big monster but no prominent shot of mobs.
I still think a big failure of the FPS comparison is that there's no single, still looming, genre creating game that compares to Monster Hunter in that genre. Last time people were mentioning Doom. Now they're mentioning Halo. I know that when I was a kid, I was comparing every FPS to Wolfenstein 3D.
Here's a question. Is anyone insulted by the term Metroidvania?
P.S.: Where is Famitsu?
Quick trip to Youtube: Not a lot of gameplay in general, but this shows a big monster and no mobs. This has a prominent shot of a big monster but no prominent shot of mobs.
I still think a big failure of the FPS comparison is that there's no single, still looming, genre creating game that compares to Monster Hunter in that genre. Last time people were mentioning Doom. Now they're mentioning Halo. I know that when I was a kid, I was comparing every FPS to Wolfenstein 3D.
Here's a question. Is anyone insulted by the term Metroidvania?
P.S.: Where is Famitsu?
electroplankton
Banned
Do you really believe that Wada was fired because of DQX? lol
So my first experience of Dragon Quest will always be the most impressive? Kind of disappointing really, but I guess I should accept it.