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[Farnack]

After two matches i had enough. No one had mikes, and i was already spawn killed.

AKA you don't know how to play games.

 

[The Librarian]

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Solidus was totally against the Patriots, though. If he could have, I don't think he would have allowed the US to come under the SOP's control. I think, by the time he was "elected" President, the Patriots already had the US and the world itself under their control and it was only growing stronger.

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Still doesn't explain how the US became under the SOP's control, as well as other countries. Hm.

 

[SRG01]

I've never been spawn killed and I've been playing since the beta. :lol

The microphone issue is partly because there aren't any headset bundles aside from Warhawk at the moment.

 

[Maggot9]

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Still doesn't explain how the US became under the SOP's control, as well as other countries. Hm.

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i thought the mandatory injections of the nanomachines made them be under the control of SOP.

 

[Shrennin]

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Still doesn't explain how the US became under the SOP's control, as well as other countries. Hm.

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If I were to guess, I'd say once the US (and the world) came under the Patriots control, the SOP system was just a matter of time. The question should be how the world came under the Patriots control in the first place. I don't know, maybe I will once I beat the game (at the beginning of Act 5 - before mission briefing) or when I read the database.

 

[tha_con]

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What I don't understand is how the US and other countries could possibly allow themselves to come under the control of the SOP system.

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You really don't think countries wouldn't jump at the opportunity to have instant super soldiers?

I thought it was a silly idea as well, until I realized that some countries even went as far as to test LSD on soldiers as forms of psychological warfare against the enemy.

Hell, the US even had hordes of BZ bombs...

 

[The Librarian]

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If I were to guess, I'd say once the US (and the world) came under the Patriots control, the SOP system was just a matter of time. The question should be how the world came under the Patriots control in the first place. I don't know, maybe I will once I beat the game (at the beginning of Act 5 - before mission briefing - or when I read the database).

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You're right. I forgot that once the Patriots were in power, they set up the system.

 

[Y2Kev]

Surprise, surprise.

And everyone was so ready to take him seriously!

 

[The Librarian]

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i thought the mandatory injections of the nanomachines made them be under the control of SOP.

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I was wondering how the SOP came into power, but then realized that because the Patriots were in power, they set the system up.

 

[Shrennin]

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You're right. I forgot that once the Patriots were in power, they set up the system. Hm. The Patriots control the AIs that control the system, right? I'm at the beginning of Act 4, about to watch the beginning cutscene now.

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Yea, I think that's how it goes. I think the AIs kind of took on a life of their own after the original members became too old to control the organization. Zero didn't want to leave his organization in the hands of the next generation (after Big Boss "betrayed" him, he lost faith in everything essentially) so he created the AIs (which, I guess, do exactly what Zero wanted as he himself became corrupt).

 

[Crazymoogle]

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Still doesn't explain how the US became under the SOP's control, as well as other countries. Hm.

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The patriots have had 40+ years and trillions of dollars - essentially a blank check - with which to manipulate the world's economy. As you can gather from MGS1, they also essentially run weapons builders like Armstech. Their shadow control goes far enough to manipulate agents in all of the major US intelligence agencies, to the point where they literally choose and vet who gets to be the president next.

SOP is a side-effect of nanomachines sold both in and out of the military through the subsidiaries they control. First it's marketed to soldiers, then it becomes mandatory injections, and things steamroll from there until not having nanomachines either locks you out or leaves you at a fatal disadvantage on the field.

The patriots are essentially a US-centric group - a side effect of the Philosopher's split, no doubt - but the AI's know that commerce does a better job of running the world than a government. With a worldwide market, it's impossible for the effects not to spread.

 

[The Librarian]

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Yea, I think that's how it goes. I think the AIs kind of took on a life of their own after the original members became too old to control the organization. Zero didn't want to leave his organization in the hands of the next generation (after Big Boss "betrayed" him, he lost faith in everything essentially) so he created the AIs (which, I guess, do exactly what Zero wanted as he himself became corrupt).

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Wait, so Zero is still in control? Because if he isn't, I don't understand how the Patriots are in control of the system.

 

[Formless]

Heh.

Shitgun.

"And it fired turd missiles that turned everything to shit!"

 

[Shrennin]

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Wait, so Zero is still in control? Because if he isn't, I don't understand how the Patriots are in control of the system.

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In Act 3, it's stated that Zero didn't want to leave his organization in the hands of the next generation. This is why he created the AIs. Essentially, the AIs carry out his "mission" but he, himself, is probably not in direct control (haven't beaten the game yet so I don't know exactly).

 

[The Librarian]

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The patriots have had 40+ years and trillions of dollars - essentially a blank check - with which to manipulate the world's economy. As you can gather from MGS1, they also essentially run weapons builders like Armstech. Their shadow control goes far enough to manipulate agents in all of the major US intelligence agencies, to the point where they literally choose and vet who gets to be the president next.

SOP is a side-effect of nanomachines sold both in and out of the military through the subsidiaries they control. First it's marketed to soldiers, then it becomes mandatory injections, and things steamroll from there until not having nanomachines either locks you out or leaves you at a fatal disadvantage on the field.

The patriots are essentially a US-centric group - a side effect of the Philosopher's split, no doubt - but the AI's know that commerce does a better job of running the world than a government. With a worldwide market, it's impossible for the effects not to spread.

I have never played any of the previous MGS games, so the MGS4 storyline is quite confusing for, but still really good.

 

[The Librarian]

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In Act 3, it's stated that Zero didn't want to leave his organization in the hands of the next generation. This is why he created the AIs. Essentially, the AIs carry out his "mission" but he, himself, is probably not in direct control (haven't beaten the game yet so I don't know exactly).

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Yeah, I remember that much. But seeing the mission briefing between ACts 3 and 4 has made me a little confused on whether or not the Patriots still control the AIs.

 

[Shrennin]

I have never played any of the previous MGS games, so the MGS4 storyline is quite confusing for, but still really good.

Do yourself a favor as a gamer and play the previous ones. They probably won't seem as good as MGS4, because technology advances, but they were just as innovative in their respective times. Especially MGS1. There's so much you can do that is still unbelievable to me in that time (looking at Playstation 1 technology).

The story, experiencing it first-hand anyway, is also a must.

I guess you could also end up reading the database to get the story, but I feel that experiencing it first-hand is the way to go. If the Essentials collection is released in your area, that's a great place to start.

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Yeah, I remember that much. But seeing the mission briefing between ACts 3 and 4 has made me a little confused on whether or not the Patriots still control the AIs.

Can you refresh my memory? I can't remember all of what happened in that mission briefing.

 

[urk]

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Yeah, I remember that much. But seeing the mission briefing between ACts 3 and 4 has made me a little confused on whether or not the Patriots still control the AIs.

Keep playing. Your question gets answered thoroughly.

 

[BudokaiMR2]

I really wish they would have done one more part where you fought the Policenauts battlesuits that show up. Woulda been cool to have a old school policenauts fight on foot.

 

[test_account]

Yea, forward jump over them or just walk around them. If you see a team mate get stuck on em, dive roll into him to free him.

Me, being a sniper, I'm always looking for other snipers..so I always fall for the dumb traps D:

Ok thanks for the info! But what about when you're reading them? I guess there is nothing you can do expect to wait until hes done reading? Ye, i know about the dive roll on other team mates, i noticed that not that long ago when i a guy did it on me when i was trapped with a porno magazine hehe.

Ah ok, if you're a sniper i can understand that its easy to miss the porn magazine. I'm not a sniper myself (not yet and not primarily atleast), but i think its not that easy to spot the porn magazines all the time. I only have a SDTV though so the picture isnt as clear as a HDTV, but still, i cant always spot the magazines.

 

[The Librarian]

Do yourself a favor as a gamer and play the previous ones. They probably won't seem as good as MGS4, because technology advances, but they were just as innovative in their respective times. Especially MGS1. There's so much you can do that is still unbelievable in that time (looking at Playstation 1 technology).

The story, experiencing it first-hand anyway, is also a must.

I guess you could also end up reading the database to get the story, but I feel that experiencing it first-hand is the way to go. If the Essentials collection is released in your area, that's a great place to start.

I am not sure about the Essentials collection in my area. Will have to look into it.

Can you refresh my memory? I can't remember all of what happened in that mission briefing.

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Otacon said that once GW assumes control after JD has been destroyed, not even the Patriots will be able to stop him. This leaves me with the impression that the Patriots are still in control of the AIs in some way. Or, at least, JD.

 

[Shrennin]

Since there is some discussion about MGO, can someone possible answer my question?

I have a question about MGO - you know how some games can have guests when you have a friend over - can you do that with MGO?

That way both my friend and I could play?

Thanks.

 

[jaaz]

Oh man, found a hilarious easter egg while running around during the

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Screaming Mantis

fight. Highlight below at your own risk!

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Screen suddenly goes black and "Video2" appears in the upper-right hand corner. I was about to scream at my kids for hitting the video input on the remote control when I suddenly realized it didn't say "Video2" in the upper-right hand corner, but "Hideo2" and then the game screen comes back.

:lol

 

[alr1ght]

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Screen suddenly goes black and "Video2" appears in the upper-right hand corner. I was about to scream at my kids for hitting the video input on the remote control when I suddenly realized it didn't say "Video2" in the upper-right hand corner, but "Hideo2" and then the game screen comes back.

:lol

OMG it's 1998!!

 

[dralla]

Oh man, found a hilarious easter egg while running around during the

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Screaming Mantis

fight. Highlight below at your own risk!

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Screen suddenly goes black and "Video2" appears in the upper-right hand corner. I was about to scream at my kids for hitting the video input on the remote control when I suddenly realized it didn't say "Video2" in the upper-right hand corner, but "Hideo2" and then the game screen comes back.

:lol

you know, you're only 10 years late

 

[jaaz]

OMG it's 1998!!

Apologies for having a life and not finishing the game the first night.

Man you guys are tough. Just saying I found something funny, not saying I was the first to find it.

 

[Solo]

Oh man, found a hilarious easter egg while running around during the

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Screaming Mantis

fight. Highlight below at your own risk!

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Screen suddenly goes black and "Video2" appears in the upper-right hand corner. I was about to scream at my kids for hitting the video input on the remote control when I suddenly realized it didn't say "Video2" in the upper-right hand corner, but "Hideo2" and then the game screen comes back.

:lol

You could have just said "GAF, I never played MGS1!"

 

[dralla]

Apologies for having a life and not finishing the game the first night.

Man you guys are tough. Just saying I found something funny, not saying I was the first to find it.

it happened in MGS1, that's where it's from

 

[jaaz]

You could have just said "GAF, I never played MGS1!"

I did play MGS1, but it was 10 years ago and I honestly don't remember that. Where was it exactly? Hardcore thread, this be.

 

[Guled]

Apologies for having a life and not finishing the game the first night.

Man you guys are tough. Just saying I found something funny, not saying I was the first to find it.

he is saying that this is in mgs1, its really 10 years old

 

[dralla]

how can you not remember that :[

have you tried switching controller ports for the Screaming Mantis fight?

 

[jaaz]

how can you not remember that :[

have you tried switching controller ports for the Screaming Mantis fight?

It's hard to remember all the details when you've been playing games since the apple II+ / Atari 2600 days. (Bonus points to anyone who can figure out the game where my avatar is from).

Anyways, I'm playing through again, so I'll try it out on the Mantis fight.

 

[Darkpen]

Oh man, found a hilarious easter egg while running around during the

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Screaming Mantis

fight. Highlight below at your own risk!

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Screen suddenly goes black and "Video2" appears in the upper-right hand corner. I was about to scream at my kids for hitting the video input on the remote control when I suddenly realized it didn't say "Video2" in the upper-right hand corner, but "Hideo2" and then the game screen comes back.

:lol

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[Shrennin]

I am not sure about the Essentials collection in my area. Will have to look into it.

I think it's only in the U.S. and Canada (NTSC areas).

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Otacon said that once GW assumes control after JD has been destroyed, not even the Patriots will be able to stop him. This leaves me with the impression that the Patriots are still in control of the AIs in some way. Or, at least, JD.

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He was referring to the system AIs original intention, which was to carry out the Patriots plan. If Liquid were to gain control of the AIs, their intentions would change and thus the Patriots wouldn't be in "control" anymore. That's what I got out of it anyway.

 

[∀ Narayan]

I really like this game. I really do. I just can't help but feel bitter about the story, though.

I just expected -- more, I guess?

:\

Anyway, I'm going to start my The Boss Extreme run.

Bonus points to anyone who can figure out the game where my avatar is from).

Mario. It's Mario.

What do I win?

 

[Gokurakumaru]

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What I don't understand is how the US and other countries could possibly allow themselves to come under the control of the SOP system.

The bigger question is why you would want the weapons authentication.

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SOP's advantages are explained in game. Better squad co-ordination, macro level battlefield reporting, and stable soldiers with battlefield trauma and stress masked by the SOP system.

The weapons authentication on the other hand would be too fragile to be safe in real life. For example to prevent friendly fire it would need to identify friendly units (like it does on MGO) but being able to do so accurately would be error prone and likely to cost far more lives than it saves. But this is science fiction so I can let it slide that it's just that good.

Now as for the proliferation of SOP, this part is easy. The entire world isn't run by SOP but enough of it is to cause a problem. Obviously, given that it's a Patriot system, all U.S. military has it. Given the advantages at a soldier-level described above it's easy to see why the PMCs would have adopted it. In 2014 half the world's military is PMC-based, and Liquid Ocelot is directing the five largest, so it's safe to assume he has half the world's military might to manipulate and it's not such a stretch to say he would have manipulated each corporation to ensure homogenous encryption keys on the SOP systems they were using so he could run them once he had access to the Patriot's central system.

 

[vpance]

Anyone find it funny how

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the resistance member you stalk in Act 3 wears a bicycle helmet when he pretends to be a PMC? Love that kind of stuff

:lol

 

[Tom Penny]

Free paper gives MGS4 6/10

"Solid Snake is back, older, wiser, but unfortunately, if gameplay is anything to go by, more arthritic and boring. In truth, the MGS series has always been rather unfathomable - a fanboy favourite that mystifies and inspires in equal measure. The plot is so utterly overblown that it's pointless delving too deep - imagine an art house remake of a Jean Claude Van Damme movie (there's a twin brother, global conspiracy, genetic engineering and, erm, a laughing octopus).

"The core of gameplay is stealthy third-person action but there are so many twists in the standard formula, it's breathtaking. It's a whirlwind of unevenness that somehow manages to be both rubbish and exceptional at the same time."

Who are these clowns?

 

[Darkpen]

Who are these clowns?

a free paper?

 

[Teknoman]

Everyone needs to start playing Metal Gear Online. That is all.

 

[Darkpen]

Everyone needs to start playing Metal Gear Online. That is all.

my horrid lag prevents me from having an enjoyable experience. Maybe if I use a direct ethernet cable instead of using wlan, it'll help...

 

[Shalashaska]

Lol just finished the

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Psycho Manthis part

in Act 5 :lol

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I had a SixAxis so he got upset :lol

what happens if you play that part

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with the DualShock3

?

He

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moves it like he does in MGS 1. And although my memory seems to be failing me I believe he does mention something about it being a Dualshock 3. I think he goes 'IT'S BACCKK' or something like that. Or I may completely out to lunch.

I got +1 sale for this game when I was in EB today looking for other games. Some guy came in and was just looking around, and the employee asked him if he was looking for anything. He mentioned he was trying to decide between buying MGS 4 now or Alone In The Dark when it comes out. A couple of employees talked about MGS 4 although they said they didn't play it. I kept my mouth shut for a while since I usually wouldn't butt into a conversation but I ended up mentioning that I played MGS 4 and it was the best game I've played. So he thought about it for a little while longer then decided to take my word for it . Then we actually talked for a bit afterwards about a few various things. You're welcome Konami. :lol

 

[Kittonwy]

RAGE!!!111!!!

RAGE!!!111!!!

 

[MScoutsDCI]

This question was raised about 100 pages back or so and after searching each page since, I've determined it's still unanswered so I'm going to re-ask it.

In MGS3, Naked Snake is given the password "Who are the Patriots?" to which ADAM is supposed to reply La-li-lu-le-lo.

How can this happen when

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the Patriots aren't created until after MGS3 by Zero and Big Boss himself? And for that matter, how come the Patriots are referenced in other parts of MGS3?

 

[chespace]

This question was raised about 100 pages back or so and after searching each page since, I've determined it's still unanswered so I'm going to re-ask it.

In MGS3, Naked Snake is given the password "Who are the Patriots?" to which ADAM is supposed to reply La-li-lu-le-lo.

How can this happen when

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the Patriots aren't created until after MGS3 by Zero and Big Boss himself? And for that matter, how come the Patriots are referenced in other parts of MGS3?

Try not to hurt your brain too much and just enjoy the tactical espionage action.

 

[The Librarian]

:lol :lol @

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Otacon and the blu-ray disc change and not needing to change discs.

 

[bPod]

Working on something for people that love to print stuff:

Please do share with us when its complete! Love to display that on my wall!!!

 

[M3wThr33]

Patriots stuff. Pure conjecture

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I'm sure the overthrow and rebirth was in plan for a long time, hence the whole need to retrieve the Legacy to begin with.

 

[Everdred]

Everyone needs to start playing Metal Gear Online. That is all.

MGO is alright but IMO there are so many games out already that are better for multiplayer.

 

[keyrat]

:lol :lol @

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Otacon and the blu-ray disc change and not needing to change discs.

Dude, play through MGS1. It really is the best one, then MGS4. I'm kind of sad just reading that you're experiencing

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shadow moses in MGS4

before MGS1. Just so you know, that's the

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exact same spot where you need to switch the discs in MGS1, hence the joke

.