brandonh83
Banned
I thought he was only really bad in Peace Walker. I had no issues with his performance otherwise. But then again I'm playing a videogame about giant robots and nanomachines and not really on a voice acting judging panel.
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I thought he was only really bad in Peace Walker. I had no issues with his performance otherwise. But then again I'm playing a videogame about giant robots and nanomachines and not really on a voice acting judging panel.
Statue of Limitation
Member
If that human being is Jack Bauer.
Blame the Voice Director if anyone - Hayter sounded fine in MGS1-3.
And if you're going to actor mocap, why only face.
I was thinking "Everything is Awesome" from the Lego Movie. Or find some super happy kitchy J-Pop. It would just be so horribly out of whack that it would be hilarious.
We can put music on the PS4, right? Because I'm suddenly REALLY excited about this idea.
just because the franchise is a little absurd doesn't give elements a free pass from criticism.
kojima wanted full body from the face/voice actors but it would require him to be in los angeles for too long
and kriss zimmerman-salter is still voice over director and everybody seems fine. in fact, everybody else was fine in mgs4 and peace walker too... besides hayter.
Altered Juice
Member
considering Hayter's behavior to the situation on his twitter i'm going to assume that any chance he had to return was thrown out the window.
demonicmurry
Neo Member
I'm fine with Hayter. While not the greatest performance, the voice is at least memorable. I remember reading an interview with Frank Welker who voiced and still voices Megatron for the Transformers cartoon. They asked about his opinion on Michael Bay getting Hugo Weaving for the Transformers movies while keeping Peter Cullen from the cartoon to do the voice of Optimus Prime. He replied that while he wishes he was asked, he understands why his melodramatic and over-the-top Megatron voice wasn't chosen. However, when conceiving the Megatron voice for the original cartoon he knew it had to be iconic and distinct for the audience to really connect with and separate the character from the other Transformers in the series. I don't think anyone really recalls Megatron's voice from the movies, but they sure remember the voice from the cartoon.
Hayter's Snake is distinct and his inflections are individual to the character. That is what I think will be lost with Keifer Sutherland and it seems like he is just doing his regular voice. It'll definitely be something I'll have to get used to. But I will say, as "bad" as some of Hayter's VO can be throughout the series, there is a lot of nuance and some real great performances from him--especially in MGS 1,3,4. I think a lot of people are misremembering his Snake as the gravely MGS4 voice without the proper context.
Hayter's Snake is distinct and his inflections are individual to the character. That is what I think will be lost with Keifer Sutherland and it seems like he is just doing his regular voice. It'll definitely be something I'll have to get used to. But I will say, as "bad" as some of Hayter's VO can be throughout the series, there is a lot of nuance and some real great performances from him--especially in MGS 1,3,4. I think a lot of people are misremembering his Snake as the gravely MGS4 voice without the proper context.
brandonh83
Banned
Absolutely. I guess I just don't take it as seriously. I love the franchise and the characters, but I don't get super wound up in the voice performances. I take into consideration the massive load of dialogue that the actors have to deal with, the tone of the product, etc. I thought Hayter fit nicely with the atmosphere and aesthetic right up through Guns of the Patriots, but Peace Walker was the first game where his VA was jarring to me.
The last thing this series needs is to get even more self serious than it has since MGS4, and bringing in Hollywood voice actors isn't going to help.
Regardless of what you think of Hayter as an actor, he is that character. There's no question about that. Yes it's hammy, yes it's over the top, but it's part of what makes the character and it's one of the most iconic things in the entire series.
Saying he's awful is a pretty big overstatement.
Regardless of what you think of Hayter as an actor, he is that character. There's no question about that. Yes it's hammy, yes it's over the top, but it's part of what makes the character and it's one of the most iconic things in the entire series.
Saying he's awful is a pretty big overstatement.
Hayter's far more representative of Solid Snake. Gruff, cold special operations soldier. That's the character Hayter was hired to play.
He doesn't do a good job of portraying the leader of a military nation. Watching the ending speech of Peace Walker makes that clear. You need a certain amount of gravitas for that. Kiefer has that gravitas.
They gave him the direction of "sound old" in MGS4, and he never brought his performance back from that. In his latest efforts he sounds like he's parodying someone. Even in the MGS2 Digital Comic, the last time Hayter voiced Snake, his performance is sub-par compared to the original. Maybe he isn't capable of his original delivery anymore, but he certainly isn't up to the quality of the other actors in the game, like Robin Atkin Downes.
brandonh83
Banned
He's not phenomenal in the "prequel" installments but I've loved him as Solid Snake in every single one of his turns as that character. His work in 1, 2, and 4 was terrific to me.
Say that again!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYgps78uqq0&feature=player_detailpage#t=109
Meow..Meow..Meowww..
I liked his performance in 3 also. He's the perfect amount of jovial. He doesn't end every sentence with a guttural sound.
The difference is so stark between his performance in 3 and in Peace Walker it's amazing. His performance in Peace Walker is so damn awful.
EDIT:
Heck, he does a decent job in the dialogue recorded for Snake Eater 3D, so I don't know what's up with his consistency. It went screwy after 4.
Valkyri von Thanatos
Member
It's funny people are freaking out over this. Understandable, since there is no context but funny. The game has Peace Walker's tapes, he listened to her 5th tape from Peace Walker, chill. Absolutely no spoilers here for Ground Zeroes guys, just Peace Walker stuff.
I believe Kojima wanted him to do a very specific kind of voice starting with Peace Walker.
It really depends, can anyone confirm whether or not Akio Otsuka changed his voice noticeable for PW and GZ?
If Hayter decided to take vocal direction from a non-native English speaker, he deserves to be fired.
But I doubt it had anything to do with Kojima.
i'm coming across more emotive about this than i actually am. i suppose hayter did fit into the aesthetic up until MGS4 ( i havent played PW), but he peaked with mgs1 and never got back to the same level. whether or not thats a voice director or a hayter problem i don't know. can't comment on PW. whether or not this fresh start will shake of any of the series heritages in writing or performance i don't know, but i'm happy with sutherland as big boss.
We can agree on Robin Atkin Downes, this man is one of the greatest voice actors out there, but I don't think Hayter was ever worse than most actors in the series.
Put him next to Paul Eiding or Christopher Randolph, he fits right in. And again, the ham was part of what made MGS1 2 3 so great.
brandonh83
Banned
Yeah he's definitely the best in the first game, no doubts there.
Hayter just really started overdoing it after 4. He kind of did a caricature of his own voice, I don't get it. MGS1 he was great, MGS2 I don't remembr having a problem with, MGS3 he started getting cartoony but I didn't mind it too much. MGS4 is when he got really gravelly(for the sake of oldness, I guess?), and that MGS4 voice has been his goto Snake voice ever since.
If he comes back for the inevitable MG1/MG2 remakes he needs to revert back to MGS1 Snake or at least a version of it.
Probably not. Zimmerman, maybe.
If he comes back for the inevitable MG1/MG2 remakes he needs to revert back to MGS1 Snake or at least a version of it.
Probably not. Zimmerman, maybe.
"Nostalgia" is the popular excuse today to complain about people liking what you don't. Hayter was terrible in your opinion, and in the opinion of many others. And he was great and iconic in my opinion, and the opinion of many others.
Well, she is the voice director, but I don't think she completely makes her decisions without looking at the japanese original and getting some input from the director of the game.
giancarlo123x
Banned
Accidentally clicked the spoiler thread instead of this. Almost ruined something's for myself. This needs to release already. I held the damn case in my hand yesterday at GameStop but my friend couldn't sell it to me.
I agree. Regardless of the individual opinions about his performance, it won't change the fact that Hayter has been voicing Snakes ever since 1998. Hayter's voice engraved the Snakes into the minds of millions of gamers.
Changing his voice now would be like switching Charles Martinet (Mario's voice) for Sean Connery, and expect fans to "deal with it" easily. Perhaps Kiefer will grow on Hayter's fans, eventually, but the initial reaction to the change is completely normal.
I feel you, dude. I asked my friend yesterday if he was going to play this and he proceeded to respond to my message with spoilers.
SolidChamp
Banned
Even I just realized that this is exactly what I was referring to...so no, I didn't accidentally spoil anything, and it was completely unintentional on my part anyway so certain people should feel bad. I am in no way "that guy" who makes if a point to be a dick and go around spoiling things for people.
No, it'd be more like changing Luigi or Wario's voice actors.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
So Hayter deserves to be fired by Kojima for taking vocal direction from Kojima ? Did you really just say that?
because its still down to Kojima at the end the day
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
His Portable Ops performance wasn't bad at all really. I'd agree that Peace Walker stands out as the bad one of the bunch. Old Snake sounded as bad as he did....because he was Old Snake.
Naked Snake
Member
I did it, and it worked.
PS4, 1920 x 1080 uncompressed png:
PS3, 1280 x 720 uncompressed png:
(here's the previous one for reference)
I was surprised how closely the light and cage shadows matched.
Took some more random screens in the same area that I'll post shortly (it's addicting).
No, because Luigi or Wario are not main characters. Mario is, as is Snake.
Rogue Agent
Banned
I find both sides of this argument silly. It's all hyperbole, either that Hayter was absolutely terrible and talentless or that his voice was immaculate and another take on the voice would never work.
Like I remember some fans actually floating the idea that it would be sacrilege to not have Hayter dub Snake's voice in the Live Action Movie. On the other hand you have people suddenly making out Hayter now that he's replaced to be the worst thing that happened to the series and ignoring that Hayter's voice was at the very least iconic, and that passion for this universe and role is something that shoud be appreciated.
I can't agree with either side, I love MGS and Hayter was a big part of it's history. But I also as a big fan of MGS love what MGSV is shaping up to be and I trust Kojima.
Like I remember some fans actually floating the idea that it would be sacrilege to not have Hayter dub Snake's voice in the Live Action Movie. On the other hand you have people suddenly making out Hayter now that he's replaced to be the worst thing that happened to the series and ignoring that Hayter's voice was at the very least iconic, and that passion for this universe and role is something that shoud be appreciated.
I can't agree with either side, I love MGS and Hayter was a big part of it's history. But I also as a big fan of MGS love what MGSV is shaping up to be and I trust Kojima.
I've never played Peace Walker, but in the other four games, I never had any issue with Hayter's voice work. Yeah it might be a little over-the-top in its gravel-chewing delivery, but that's just the character. To me, that's just what he's supposed to sound like, so it's never not been on point to my ears.
SolidChamp
Banned
So this game is pretty damn sweet thus far.
Solid Snake and Big Boss are not the same characters.
brandonh83
Banned
Should be up at 12am EST night of release.
No, but they are the main characters of their respective sagas.
Because Sony is very particular what goes up on pre-order on PS4 right now.
It is up for pre-order on PS3, though.
Wario and Lugi have also been main characters of their own games.
Rogue Agent
Banned
This is how I see it.
molnizzle
Member
I know, it makes no sense.
Would only be comparable if Mario had a well-liked and well-known secondary international voice that was being changed.
Fucking Amazon, Target, and Chase! I used my CC at Target on BF and Chase freaked out and sent me a new one. Then I went in to Amazon and changed my CC info but for some reason it didn't change on my GZ preorder. This morning my CC for the GZ preorder was declined and I lost my launch day shipping. Have to wait until Thursday now, argh!
Naked Snake
Member
Moar screens (all PS3)
More here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/adelgary/sets/72157642441511583/with/13195393554/
I really wish the game wasn't sub-HD.
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A closeup look at Snake's face on the in-game model
The suit
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Dat texture
Dat ass
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Some shots of the in-game manual:
More here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/adelgary/sets/72157642441511583/with/13195393554/
I really wish the game wasn't sub-HD.
kojima doesn't attend voice recording sessions for the english versions.
i think he's only turned up once or twice for sutherland, but that's all from what i gather.