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Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes |OT| Kaz, I'm already a demo
- Thread starter BurnOutBrighter
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Meh
As far as the Hayter/Sutherland debates goes, I agree that Hayter's voice acting had declined greatly since MGS1 and 2 but that doesn't make Kiefer's performance in Ground Zeroes good. It's honestly just a different kind of bad and at least in my view, if you weren't going to get a superior voice actor in there, you may as well have just kept David Hayter for continuity's sake.
As far as the Hayter/Sutherland debates goes, I agree that Hayter's voice acting had declined greatly since MGS1 and 2 but that doesn't make Kiefer's performance in Ground Zeroes good. It's honestly just a different kind of bad and at least in my view, if you weren't going to get a superior voice actor in there, you may as well have just kept David Hayter for continuity's sake.
robotzombie
Member
I'm guessing that means easier as a whole compared to other entries. The AI is better and so you need to rely on that kind of stuff to balance it out?
It seems well balanced for these gameplay additions. Enemies are more aggressive with searching and fighting you. They go from "!" to firing and calling for backup much faster than previous games.
Which reminds me, I forgot to try and shoot a guys radio out. Does this still work?
Quick question about the side mission where you
; is it possible to
have to find the inside agent and then get the cassette tape in the watch tower
grab the tape and then not have the whole compound go ape-shit? My second time around I just killed the informant after he gave me in the information since I figured with him dead, he couldn't run and give me up. Still got caught 
ColourRevolt
Member
Another issue that needs fixing: When lying prone on the edge of a roof, it's difficult to draw your weapon and shoot an enemy. In MGS4, I remember Snake was capable of leaning his body over a ledge for more precise aiming. I tried several times to headshot guards with a tranq, but the reticle can't seem to make up its mind where it wants to aim when you're lying prone.
I remember loving MGS4, and remember loving watching my older brother play through MGS2 when it first came out (though I don't remember much of the story). I tried playing MGS3 on Vita recently, in anticipation of this and just couldn't get into the older gameplay, felt way too clunky and cumbersome. I got about 25% in before giving up lol.
So I watched all the cutscenes on youtube the past few days, it was like 5 hours total my god!
Anywho, what else should I watch after MGS3 before jumping into this?
So I watched all the cutscenes on youtube the past few days, it was like 5 hours total my god!
Anywho, what else should I watch after MGS3 before jumping into this?
KittenMaster
Member
Weird, I found GZ to be one of the harder MGS games. That might be because I tried to be stealthy and not get caught too much all the while turning off hand holding features (like reaction and tagging).
Gameplay spoiler:
You don't need either at all. If you turn them off then the game plays like regular MGS for the most part.
Gameplay spoiler:
And enemies are marked on the map anyway, making tagging even less necessary.
Turn off all the visual aides such as detection indicator, damage indicator. Turn off reflex mode, play on hard difficulty. Playing MGS 1-4 is a cake walk, Ground Zeroes on medium is a lot tougher than any other MGS on medium. Ground Zeroes is both accessible and challenging, depends on how you want to play. The "Kojima wants to appeal to western journalists" line is priceless. Yup, that's why plenty of MGS veterans are having a blast, you sure nailed Ground Zeroes dude.
Stealth_Cobra
Member
The game is definitively harder and than ever when it comes to stealth. Reminds me of MGS3 mostly. Most other games in the series relied on pretty unrealistic mechanics to render stealth easy. You had radar, camo, lotsa stuff to blend in and be hard to spot. In this one, you gottta take it very slow, study enemy patters , stick to cover, plan your move once you figure out enemy routes and such, take out enemies in areas where they can spot you (search towers, etc).
ColourRevolt
Member
Quick question about the side mission where you; is it possible tohave to find the inside agent and then get the cassette tape in the watch towergrab the tape and then not have the whole compound go ape-shit? My second time around I just killed the informant after he gave me in the information since I figured with him dead, he couldn't run and give me up. Still got caught
There is a surveillance camera inside of the room of the tower where you retrieve the tape. Shoot out the camera before entering.
bananafactory
Banned
Agreed. It feels more natural and dynamic, rather than just pre-determined "hide here".
Vyse The Legend
Member
I could not disagree more. The stealth in this feels right. The enemies are just much more aggressive, so you need to, you know, sneak around more and use the tools like tagging often.
Excellent. But backtouch is a pain, binocular management is almost impossible.
i did and im doing fine
needs to be a bit harder though, enemies should be able to spot you from far distances or alert the base once they find a body
edit : or hear you at least, the footsteps are freaking loud but they dont react. and make their fov wider while youre at it konami
Peace Walker, though Ground Zeroes includes a written summary of it.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
Stealth is easily the most difficult it has ever been in MGS. The guards are like fucking hawks, even on normal with all the aids turned on.
Definitely need to get more accustomed to it.
Definitely need to get more accustomed to it.
Reckless Onion
Member
Cant you just go in to first person mode? They took it out didn't they?
bananafactory
Banned
Their visual range is much improved as well. I'll be 30 feet away up in a tower or on a cliff, and someone down in the ground will spot me
Regarding Stealth :
You can in fact peek around the corner
. You just have to make sure you're in the corner "stance" to get it to work - it's a bit different since the cover mechanic is non sticky and a slight move in the wrong direction can take you off the wall.
The binoculars do not work very well while peeking around corners though. The binocular camera doesn't start from the peek position, so often you'll stare at a wall while looking through it. Not sure if it's a bug or just a limitation set as part of the gameplay, though more than likely it's because there's probably no animation in place for BB to peek a little around a corner while using binoculars.
The old corner toss animation is still there too. Instead of knocking to attract guards I just toss a clip at the location where I want the guards to go.
I found myself missing somesort of crouch sprint, but the quick dive into cover is an acceptable.
You can in fact peek around the corner
hold R3
The binoculars do not work very well while peeking around corners though. The binocular camera doesn't start from the peek position, so often you'll stare at a wall while looking through it. Not sure if it's a bug or just a limitation set as part of the gameplay, though more than likely it's because there's probably no animation in place for BB to peek a little around a corner while using binoculars.
The old corner toss animation is still there too. Instead of knocking to attract guards I just toss a clip at the location where I want the guards to go.
I found myself missing somesort of crouch sprint, but the quick dive into cover is an acceptable.
Same. And I usually run and gun (well run and tranq) MGS games but this one had me wanting to be stealthy.
Muffdraul
Member
GZ confirms once and for all that MGS has truly jumped the shark for me. I couldn't get into PW at all, but I let it slide, "Hey, it's just a handheld... I'll withhold judgement until the next 'real' MGS on consoles." But this is virutally Peace Walker 2, so I just can't connect. Couldn't care less about the story or characters. Cannot STAND to hear Robin Atkin Downes in one more fucking game, sweet Jesus he's the most insufferably generic and vapid voice actor in history. I'm actually OK with Sutherland, but I actually would have preferred it if they let Richard Doyle step up to the plate. If only for consistency's sake.
~BUT~
I agree with everyone saying this is some of the best MGS game play in the history of the franchise. It took me much longer than I expected to finish the main mission my first time, and I immediately wanted to replay it... not even interested in trying the submissions yet, not til I feel like I've mastered the main one. I'll hold on to a small hope that Phantom Pain moves the story along and doesn't feel so wrapped up in Peace Walker shit. Then maybe I could get back on board the bandwagon.
~BUT~
I agree with everyone saying this is some of the best MGS game play in the history of the franchise. It took me much longer than I expected to finish the main mission my first time, and I immediately wanted to replay it... not even interested in trying the submissions yet, not til I feel like I've mastered the main one. I'll hold on to a small hope that Phantom Pain moves the story along and doesn't feel so wrapped up in Peace Walker shit. Then maybe I could get back on board the bandwagon.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
They really need to make taking cover require a button press. The auto cover just does not work well at all.
Yeah, I'm still not used to how far guards can see compared to previous games. I tried it playing it like the old games where by the time a guard spots you, you've already broken their neck. Needless to say I got murdered.
bananafactory
Banned
Did they actually remove the roll-while-running? I can't figure out how to do it, but I thought I saw a brief instructional tip on it.
Muffdraul
Member
Probably more correct to say they replaced it with the new dive-to-prone move.
Thanks man, I'll check it out then!
i disagree, they cant see that far at all
was dragging the body of an enemy around while another was walking down the hill where the prison thingy is and i didnt get spotted.
id really love a stealth game where enemies can see as far as normal people.
maybe its different on hard i dont know
NullPointer
Member
That makes sense. Looking forward to it once the price is right.
Nice.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
To get an S rank Im guessing you cant kill anyone or be spotted?
Turn off all the visual aides such as detection indicator, damage indicator. Turn off reflex mode, play on hard difficulty. Playing MGS 1-4 is a cake walk, Ground Zeroes on medium is a lot tougher than any other MGS on medium. Ground Zeroes is both accessible and challenging, depends on how you want to play. The "Kojima wants to appeal to western journalists" line is priceless. Yup, that's why plenty of MGS veterans are having a blast, you sure nailed Ground Zeroes dude.
All those things don't really address the base problem. This kind of Stealth has already been done and better in Splinter Cell. In this game its just easier to straight up TPS the game and more fun.
This is from my playing around on normal :
While vision cones seem to extend farther, range still plays a big factor in how quickly a guard goes into alert.
Getting spotted at a distance on normal at least doesn't seem to be immediate - the warning arc gives you plenty of time to hide on normal. Game is actually kind of generous that way. At a distance it sometimes triggers an investigation - guard will radio in a "I saw someone suspicious over there, I'll check it out", and not an immediate alarm.
Blindly jumping off of a watchtower and landing right in front of a guard however, will trigger an alert immediately.
I think what may actually also come into play here is day/night cycles, and maybe even weather affecting guard visibility.
I suspect on hard or above, these values change pretty drastically.
While vision cones seem to extend farther, range still plays a big factor in how quickly a guard goes into alert.
Getting spotted at a distance on normal at least doesn't seem to be immediate - the warning arc gives you plenty of time to hide on normal. Game is actually kind of generous that way. At a distance it sometimes triggers an investigation - guard will radio in a "I saw someone suspicious over there, I'll check it out", and not an immediate alarm.
Blindly jumping off of a watchtower and landing right in front of a guard however, will trigger an alert immediately.
I think what may actually also come into play here is day/night cycles, and maybe even weather affecting guard visibility.
I suspect on hard or above, these values change pretty drastically.
TheSpoiler
Member
The base problem that you've never played a MGS game before? I mean, anyone who thinks they can't "TPS" any of the older games hasn't touched them.
You seriously aren't making sense here.
Really. I find it MUCH harder to get through Ground Zeroes by shooting people than I ever did in any of the previous games. Except maybe MGS1.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Okay the impressions here are getting me hype again. Might have to pick this up ASAP.
Just finished a second playthrough, getting all the XOF patches. Had way more fun now that I'm accustomed to the controls, playing on PS4. Kiefer is growing on me. The scene with Chico in the helicopter, at the end, I felt like he was managing to capture Big Boss.
The credits on this game are stupid long, though.
The credits on this game are stupid long, though.
Actually from the time I've played the cover system is set up in a way that you have to make deliberate moves to snap to cover...you can't walk up to cover and expect snake to snap to it. Playing around with it yesterday it seemed like an additional or extended press towards cover always made snake snap to it.
I haven't had any issues snapping to cover or shimmying along a wall either.
RedAssedApe
Banned
The only thing I recall is him flirting with the ladies over codec...lol. Obviously there must have been something to get people to join him in MSF. I just don't see it portrayed well in the games...just like SS he seems pretty detached, cold, etc. towards people. Maybe it really is just Hayter's voice.
blitzcloud
Banned
ColourRevolt
Member
It still doesn't solve the problem. Once you go into first person view, the roof blockades your view. There is some kind of unaddressed action necessary for aiming off of a ledge that just isn't present in Ground Zeroes. When you crawl toward a ledge, it's like you're hitting an invisible forcefield.
You can keep skipping everything by clicking the left side of the touchpad.
Thanks for reminding me how Big Boss / Snake should sound. It's not the greatest, but it's better than absolutely every line from Sutherland.
I didn't realize calling the helicopter was a thing, so
I assume that you're expected to
when I was bringing Paz back to the landing zone by the water where I had hidden Chico some marines were radioing HQ saying they found the kid and asking what to do. At first I couldn't take them out fast enough before they got instructions back to kill him.
put him on the helicopter before you go searching for Paz?
Splinter Cell has open world level design with vehicles with hostage rescuing mechanics with a helicopter?
On medium diffculty in past MGS games you can gun down rooms by brute force to reach the next destination. You played Ground Zeroes as if it was your first Metal Gear Solid game, tweaking the settings will make the game a lot more challenging and more satisfying. Gunning down everyone in Ground Zeroes will also net you a D rating I assume. One of the best things about past MGS games are the ranking systems in place.
Splinter Cell doesn't have as varied AI when it comes to search patterns, reasons for searching, and sightlines. The combat in past Splinter Cells besides Blacklist and Conviction were ass, Ground Zeroes is still highly enjoyable when played like a action game at least.
TheSpoiler
Member
I thought the game was forcing me to do so, and I did just to be safe.
Damn, I didn't know it was possible. Dat technology.
