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Michael Jackson to be played by a white actor.

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Twilight Gap

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IrishNinja said:
posted? pretty much all that need be said on the matter

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I still think he looked great here. Bad Era is my personal favorite his look during Dangerous and HIStory was unique. It was the 2000s that really set him off the deep end :/
 
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Figboy79

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Red Liquorice said:
This thread went from usual silly celebrity japes to incredibly informative. Thanks for your input Figboy79 :)
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Thank you, and you're welcome!

I just hate to see people being so gleefully ignorant about a subject, even if it's one I'm not personally involved with. I just so happen to be intimately acquainted with vitiligo. lol.

MJ was an amazing talent, and a very humble, kind hearted person. He deserved better than the life he got as far as people's perceptions of him were.
 
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Robso

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Calvero said:
whoa thanks for all that.
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No worries. The media never told the full story as it didn't fit their agenda. The holes in the allegations are enormous. Even more so when they won't report that in 2005 the defence had witnesses to testify that Jordy told them at college that nothing ever happened. Jordy, the boy from '93, had to be tracked down by the FBI as the prosecution were eager for him to testify. He refused stating he '“had done his part” (which leaves a lot open to interpretation) and would also SUE them if they forced him to testify.

Another caveat the media won't ever repeat is the disgraceful law enforcement who went far and above their powers and their interviews with minors in 1993. Corey Feldman NAMED his abuser yet the police never did a thing. They only cared if the name he cited as his abuser was Michael Jackson... which it wasn't.

Some of Corey's interview can be heard here. Poor quality, but subtitles on screen.

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdITa9Ulx2A 3:29 Corey cites he was abused by somebody else.

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0I7q94HEQ

The interviewers wouldn't accept 'No' from these children when asked if they were abused.

One of MJ's lawyers had to write to the LAPD as he received information from parents about their children being subjected to disgraceful interviews.

Dear Chief Williams:

I represent Michael Jackson. All my adult life I have been a staunch supporter of the LAPD. For years, I represented Jack Webb. Working with Jack, on Dragnet and Adam-12 I met many officers for who my respect and admiration continues to this day. Your comparative handful of officers, who risk their lives every day to protect the rest of us deserve our unqualified appreciation.

Sometimes, however, even a dedicated police officer, when engaged in a significant investigation, loses sight of the importance of fairness and respecting the rights of the accused.

In the current investigation of Michael Jackson, that has occurred, officers investigating the matter have entered the homes of minors and have subjected them to high-pressure interrogation, sometimes in the absence of their parents. I am advised that your officers have told frightened youngsters outrageous lies, such as “we have nude photos of you” in order to push them into making accusations against Mr. Jackson. There are, of course, no such photos of these youngsters and they have no truthful accusations to make. But your officers appear ready to employ any device to generate potential evidence against Mr. Jackson.

In addition, your officers have told parents that their children have been molested, even though the children in question have unequivocally denied this. They have also referred to Mr. Jackson as a “pedophile”, even though he has not been charged, much less convicted.

And harassing minors and their parents is not all. The search conducted at Mr. Jackson’s residence resulted in the removal of many items of his personal property, including his address book, which includes the names and addresses of potential witnesses. We have asked for either the return of such records or that they be copied at our expense. This has been refused, in order to hamper the defense in conducting its own investigations of the case.

These tactics are not merely inappropriate, they are disgraceful….

Even the New York police, not known for their gentility, refrained from conducting this kind of overzealous campaign against Woody Allen, who was accused of a similar offense. Why is the LAPD not according Michael Jackson the same degree of balance and fairness?

I urge you to put an end to these abuses. Investigate these accusations as thoroughly as possible, but do it in a manner consistent with honest, common decency, and the high standards that once made me proud of the LAPD.

Sincerely,

Bertram Fields
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The type of things they said to the children:

“Det. Neglia: I realize how hard this is. I realize how painful it is to think of these things you tried so hard not to think about but you are doing fine. And you are also helping the kid that he is bothering now.

Jason Francia: What do you mean he’s bothering?

Det. Birchim: He’s doing the same thing.

Jason Francia: Macaulay Culkin.

Det. Neglia: Only he’s getting a lot more into it. Like your mother pulled you out of there. Macaulay’s mother is not going to pull him out of there. They are feeding him.

Det. Birchim: He’s doing worse stuff.

Det. Neglia: It’s much worse with him.” [2]
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They claimed Corey Feldman had drug problems because Jackson molested him:

“Det. Neglia: He’s a junkie now, he gets arrested, he doesn’t act or anything. He gets high. He packs his nose with cocaine and he’s going to die by the time he is 22 years old.

Jason Francia: How old is he?

Det. Neglia: About 21. But that’s the kind of life he is living, and it’s got to do with being exposed to people like this, and having nobody to protect them and to take them out.

Det. Birchim: Like you had your mom.

Det. Neglia: Like your mom pulled you out, and you’re, you’re candid, and you’re (sic) honesty with us is going to help us. To pull the next kid out, it might even be too late for Macauly (sic) already. But these kids that he’s traveling with are on tour right now. Maybe we can pull them out of it… “
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They interviewed 50 kids and none would corroborate Jordy's story except one, eventually. Jason, after many interviews, confessed he'd been 'tickled'. The district attorney set him up with counselling and ATTENDED that meeting with him. In 2005 Jason was a joke on the stand. He said 'I don't know' around 45 times and tried to measure the length of the tickling by the length of Woody Woodpecker episodes... he even asked the court 'does anybody watch cartoons?' in the hope they could assist him in remembering the length of his supposed abuse.

Also, his Mother was interviewed on the stand (who the jury laughed at) and they both contradicted one another when it came to the 'tickling' story.
 
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Boke1879

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I miss MJ so much. He was an immense talent, but his personal life was marred by tragedy. I feel that on that stage is who he truly was. None of the other bullshit mattered. But performing for others is probably where he was truly the happiest.

I'll always remember him for his talent, kind heart and humble spirit.
 
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Tatsumi Oga

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To the OP... no disrespect, but you are WAY off with what you said about his skin and how it "turned" white. I really did think people would know it by now that the dude suffered from vitiligo, so any pictures out there, videos, explanations from the man himself but people just didn't want to believe it. There's an explanation for all of it. After his death it was revealed that he was bald, because his hair was caught on fire years ago while performing. He had lupus and other diseases, not exactly the most luckiest of folks if you ask me.

But I hate it when things like that are said. MJ never "wanted" to be white, that's actually goddamn disrespectful to even say. He actually was quite proud of his race and he made that clear in several lyrics and also in videos of those songs.

As for all the other shit that ruined the man's life.... I know for goddamn certain the dude never hurt a fly let alone a child. This guy wasnt capable of that. I strongly believe he was too kind and too good for the world. Idiots out there saying he built Nederland so he could do evil shit to youngsters, sigh..... He said it himself that he built it so these sick children with only a few more days or weeks to live can have a great time. Ah man there's so much to read up on and see that he was framed in the most unimaginable ways. It's good to see some people actually decide to do research and others just go.... where there's smoke... There's fire. Lol. I am so done with these tabloid parroting sheeple.
 
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Robso

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Tatsumi Oga said:
To the OP... no disrespect, but you are WAY off with what you said about his skin and how it "turned" white. I really did think people would know it by now that the dude suffered from vitiligo, so any pictures out there, videos, explanations from the man himself but people just didn't want to believe it. There's an explanation for all of it. After his death it was revealed that he was bald, because his hair was caught on fire years ago while performing. He had lupus and other diseases, not exactly the most luckiest of folks if you ask me.

But I hate it when things like that are said. MJ never "wanted" to be white, that's actually goddamn disrespectful to even say. He actually was quite proud of his race and he made that clear in several lyrics and also in videos of those songs.
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Spot on.
 
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Mixolydian

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Figboy79 said:
Thank you! A lot of people are surprised when I tell them I'm 36. Lol. I'm probably never going to go the de-pigmentation route, mainly because it opens up so many doors for health risks.
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I believe Scott Jorgensen, the MMA fighter, took this route. He got tired of the routine and the questions if I recall correctly.
 
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Tatsumi Oga

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Boke1879 said:
I miss MJ so much. He was an immense talent, but his personal life was marred by tragedy. I feel that on that stage is who he truly was. None of the other bullshit mattered. But performing for others is probably where he was truly the happiest.

I'll always remember him for his talent, kind heart and humble spirit.
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I can believe that as well, even though he did say in a interview that he hated touring while laughing. He hated the touring but once on stage it was magic for him. I feel so fortunate to have seen him live in concert with the HIStory tour in Amsterdam, when I was still kind of young together with my dad. To both of them, rest in peace.

I also really believe he was very happy when he was living in Ireland with his kids. To be honest he should have stayed there where he had peace and quiet. But I guess he started to miss the showbizz and well....he did grow up like that, all showbiz and nothing but.

By the way, for the ones interested, there's an awesome book called Man in the Music by Joseph Vogel. It explains every single track from Off the Wall all up to Invincible and beyond. Sadly also the shitty and IMO fake songs from "Michael". I really recommend this book, none of that tabloid gibberish looking to make a quick book. No, finally something truly worthwhile on his art.
 
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Figboy79

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Mixolydian said:
I believe Scott Jorgensen, the MMA fighter, took this route. He got tired of the routine and the questions if I recall correctly.
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Yeah, I'm not sure if the name, but my sister is a big MMA and UFC fan, and she mentioned to me this fighter that was "cured" of his vitiligo. After looking into it, I had to tell her that he wasn't cured, he just opted to completely remove the pigment so he could live in peace.

Personally, I'm too attached to my brown skin to let it go. Growing up, I was always teased by family and friends for being "high yellow", my sisters too (we were actually much lighter than we are now when we were younger), and teased for not "being black enough." I was really self conscious about my complexion, and was sad that I wasn't as dark as my cousins and aunts and uncles and mother. It didn't help that I'm a super geek that doesn't talk slang, so they assumed I just wanted to be "white."

When I got vitiligo, they'd then tease me "well, you always wanted to be white! Dur hurr!!" So funny. :/

Like Michael, in incredibly proud to be black. I've never shied away from being black, and I've never seriously desired to be white (there were certainly periods in my life where I envied white privilege, I won't lie). Intimately, it hurts my feelings and annoys me when people call me the "whitest black guy they know," or "one of the good ones," etc. it really pisses me off. I'm sure MJ was very proud to be black, especially because of the impact he had on the world. One of the most beloved, talented, influential performances of our time was a black man. That must have meant the world to him, like it means the world to black peoples as a whole that we had someone we could hold up as a positive black contribution to the world, and then he contracted vitiligo, and it was like the gods were mocking us. Taking away our heroes one by one.

Cosby is a piece of shit, and I want him to get his comeuppance so bad, but if be lying if I said it didn't sting that another one of our beloved black icons has fallen.

Michael was drug through the mud by the media. They were like pigs at the trough rooting for dirt and blowing up everything he did as another "Wacko Jacko" moment. And then when he died, so same outlets had the nerve to get in front of their cameras and call him a great man and entertainer. It was despicable. Nobody is perfect, but I honestly believe that he tried his best to improve the lives of people and children. He channeled the abuse that he received from his father into compassion and empathy for his fellow man. His music, like any artists work, is an extension of the man himself. His music was about love and acceptance, and it's a shame he never seemed to get it until his children were born.

I wish we'd get a true biopic chronicling the absolute tragedy that was Michael Jackson's life. He really deserves better. David Bowie, another great man, got to experience love and respect from the world throughout his life and into his death. MJ got scorn, disbelief, and ridicule. Even now, people still laugh and mock him, and call him a liar. It's just so incredibly sad when I think about him.
 
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Tatsumi Oga

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Figboy79 said:
Yeah, I'm not sure if the name, but my sister is a big MMA and UFC fan, and she mentioned to me this fighter that was "cured" of his vitiligo. After looking into it, I had to tell her that he wasn't cured, he just opted to completely remove the pigment so he could live in peace.

Personally, I'm too attached to my brown skin to let it go. Growing up, I was always teased by family and friends for being "high yellow", my sisters too (we were actually much lighter than we are now when we were younger), and teased for not "being black enough." I was really self conscious about my complexion, and was sad that I wasn't as dark as my cousins and aunts and uncles and mother. It didn't help that I'm a super geek that doesn't talk slang, so they assumed I just wanted to be "white."

When I got vitiligo, they'd then tease me "well, you always wanted to be white! Dur hurr!!" So funny. :/

Like Michael, in incredibly proud to be black. I've never shied away from being black, and I've never seriously desired to be white (there were certainly periods in my life where I envied white privilege, I won't lie). Intimately, it hurts my feelings and annoys me when people call me the "whitest black guy they know," or "one of the good ones," etc. it really pisses me off. I'm sure MJ was very proud to be black, especially because of the impact he had on the world. One of the most beloved, talented, influential performances of our time was a black man. That must have meant the world to him, like it means the world to black peoples as a whole that we had someone we could hold up as a positive black contribution to the world, and then he contracted vitiligo, and it was like the gods were mocking us. Taking away our heroes one by one.

Cosby is a piece of shit, and I want him to get his comeuppance so bad, but if be lying if I said it didn't sting that another one of our beloved black icons has fallen.

Michael was drug through the mud by the media. They were like pigs at the trough rooting for dirt and blowing up everything he did as another "Wacko Jacko" moment. And then when he died, so same outlets had the nerve to get in front of their cameras and call him a great man and entertainer. It was despicable. Nobody is perfect, but I honestly believe that he tried his best to improve the lives of people and children. He channeled the abuse that he received from his father into compassion and empathy for his fellow man. His music, like any artists work, is an extension of the man himself. His music was about love and acceptance, and it's a shame he never seemed to get it until his children were born.

I wish we'd get a true biopic chronicling the absolute tragedy that was Michael Jackson's life. He really deserves better. David Bowie, another great man, got to experience love and respect from the world throughout his life and into his death. MJ got scorn, disbelief, and ridicule. Even now, people still laugh and mock him, and call him a liar. It's just so incredibly sad when I think about him.
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Damn dude, well said.

Personally I have no idea what to think of Cosby right now. I certainly am not going to take the media's word for it. Never ever. Is there any hard evidence or other things on him?

One thing I noticed when MJ was arrested after the incredibly pathetic exaggerated raid on his home, they went to Gary Indiana, but also NY and so on, and asked the people on the streets about MJ. Mostly they asked black people and they all stuck up for him there, 100%. And yes I agree, if some people would actually take the time to see how much good deeds this guy has done, they would probably start to think very differently of him. You did not see him on TV going to these hospitals and care centers and being on camera bragging about how he donates so much money, because it was all from the heart. He didn't want to be the one bragging about it, but each concert he went to, before all that he went to those places to visit sick children, talk to them, sign autographs, be their hero for a moment and so on. He said it himself he would slit his wrist before hurting a child. I have zero doubts about that.

It's good to see more and more people being aware of the ridiculous case that happened. So much misinformation out there, it's not even funny.
 
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HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
I'm also fairly sure Michael Jackson himself said he never wanted to be played by a white man but what can you do. The whole project looks terrible but Fiennes as Jackson is the worst of the worst in an already big mess.
 
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