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[graywolf323]

Sarah Bond was being questioned and as part of the questioning she was asked about AAA games and what constitutes an AAA game.

Following this she was asked if smaller scale games could still thrive, alongside questions about M$'s Game Pass and First Party portfolio (simple question, just about the breadth of content).

She then was asked to give some examples of smaller games thriving, which is where she said Epic were a small indie dev before Fortnite released. She listed it alongside games such as Vampire Survivors.

Nothing scandalous. Just a hilarious insight in to her knowledge considering Gears of War and Unreal Engine.

not to mention Unreal Tournament… yep Epic is totally comparable to a game made by one person

 

[GHG]

What wouldn't I give for a scoring system that points you for intellect, integrity, or entertainment value. If you stay below a threshold for too long, auto-banned.

Some people already abuse the report feature, can you imagine how hard that would get abused.

 

[feynoob]

But Sony didn't pay money to make Spiderman exclusive. So what are you saying?

What I am saying is that the company who owns the IP have the final say.

 

[Varteras]

Some people already abuse the report feature, can you imagine how hard that would get abused.

I'm going to compliment you. Don't let it go to your head. You would have nothing to worry about. That's it. I'm tapped out.

 

[feynoob]

What wouldn't I give for a scoring system that points you for intellect, integrity, or entertainment value. If you stay below a threshold for too long, auto-banned.

They do that and I will go

 

[Topher]

They do that and I will go

 

[Varteras]

They do that and I will go

 

[Banjo64]

Please for the love of god call Greenberg up to the stand and just laugh at his old tweets.

 

[MasterCornholio]

They own the IP. They can decide what they want with.
MLB forced Sony to make Xbox version.

Well Disney wanted it on PlayStation 5 before. It was Microsoft that wanted it as an exclusive. If it wasn't for the renegotiation the game wouldn't have become exclusive. Not the same situation as Spiderman or MLB.

 

[Dick Jones]

Why would Disney have to buy back the rights to their streaming service?
I am not giving you are hard time here.. please just show me where it has been established that Sony did not own those rights?

Okay.
Activision had the rights to Spider-Man.
Marvel were unhappy with Activision's shit Spider-Man games.
Marvel got the rights off Activision and Bobby Kotick told them to find their "unicorn" (dev who can make a better Spider-Man game)
Marvel went to Xbox to make an exclusive Marvel game and Xbox said no.
Marvel then went to Sony and offered any Marvel IP and Sony asked Insomniac.
Insomniac asked for Spider-Man and got it.

Now if Sony owned the gaming rights, then why did Marvel look to take the Spider-Man property off Activision? Sony would own the rights and Marvel fuck all. Sony would be looking for the IP back.

Sony only owns the movie rights.

 

[GHG]

I'm going to compliment you. Don't let it go to your head. You would have nothing to worry about. That's it. I'm tapped out.

Let me just say I have it on good authority that they talk about me in that little discord of theirs

 

[feynoob]

Honestly I am getting closer to that point. Been contemplating whether to ban my account indefinitely or not.

 

[adamsapple]

Well Disney wanted it on PlayStation 5 before. It was Microsoft that wanted it as an exclusive. If it wasn't for the renegotiation the game wouldn't have become exclusive. Not the same situation as Spiderman or MLB.

Feynoob is right tho, if Disney wanted to, they could have pressed it, but they didn't.

 

[Varteras]

Please for the love of god call Greenberg up to the stand and just laugh at his old tweets.

The biggest boob outside of porn

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Is it only me who wants to believe that the CEO of PlayStation, Jimbo Ryan really said "We have some good stuff cooking"? lmao

Maybe Jimbo really wanted to skip the FTC trial just to anonymously shitpost here on GAF.

 

[Varteras]

Honestly I am getting closer to that point. Been contemplating whether to ban my account indefinitely or not.

Don't you fucking dare.

 

[feynoob]

Well Disney wanted it on PlayStation 5 before. It was Microsoft that wanted it as an exclusive. If it wasn't for the renegotiation the game wouldn't have become exclusive. Not the same situation as Spiderman or MLB.

Yet Disney took MS money and allowed that to happen.
Like I said before, it's all about the $$$.

 

[MasterCornholio]

What wouldn't I give for a scoring system that points you for intellect, integrity, or entertainment value. If you stay below a threshold for too long, auto-banned.

I don't want N4Gs bubble system implemented here.

 

[Dick Jones]

It doesn't matter who went to who.
What matters is both companies own the IPs and they have the final decision.
Disney could have simply said no, make the game multiplatform. They didn't.

Because MS paid for exclusivity and Sony didn't have to. This isn't rocket science.

Disney could have said no as there was a deal in place but we all know Spencer loves to overpay with the other MS divisions money

 

[feynoob]

Don't you fucking dare.

Sorry man, I don't know how long I can hold on.
I tried to stop myself, but it's not working.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Yet Disney took MS money and allowed that to happen.
Like I said before, it's all about the $$$.

It wasn't that way with Spiderman. Microsoft simply couldn't make it.

Two different situations.

 

[Foilz]

Well to be fair epic really doesn't release many games. The only AAA games they've really released were gears, the unreal games and Fortnite. Everything else were mobile games or shadow complex. So technically they were kinda small and Indieish

 

[Sleepwalker]

Some people already abuse the report feature, can you imagine how hard that would get abused.

What I would like instead is a downvote reaction that counts as a negative point towards your reaction score. No ban consequences or anything but itd help weed out trolls

 

[Foilz]

Mid size triple AAA teams are 100 to 200 tops, and big studios like Naught Dog and Insomniac Games have around 400 - 500 employees. Still not sure why Sarah Bond would consider Epic Games prior to Fortnite release a small studio.

Probably game dev wise. Not including the engine devs

 

[Banjo64]

Is it only me who wants to believe that the CEO of PlayStation, Jimbo Ryan really said "We have some good stuff cooking"? lmao

Maybe Jimbo really wanted to skip the FTC trial just to anonymously shitpost here on GAF.

Who do you think makes all of those 'suffering from success' gifs?

 

[Elios83]

So is it over for today? I'm out and can't really follow.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Feynoob is right tho, if Disney wanted to, they could have pressed it, but they didn't.

Oh, so now it's okay that both parties are involved in the process and share equal blame. No more moneyhats™ disingenuous lingo, eh?

 

[feynoob]

Because MS paid for exclusivity and Sony didn't have to. This isn't rocket science.

Disney could have said no as there was a deal in place but we all know Spencer loves to overpay with the other MS divisions money

That is why it's about $$$.

It wasn't that way with Spiderman. Microsoft simply couldn't make it.

Two different situations.

It's not whether MS can make spiderman or not.
It's about Disney and marvel being ok with both outcome, considering both companies are getting the $$$.

 

[Banjo64]

So is it over for today? I'm out and can't really follow.

No, 45 minute break for lunch.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Feynoob is right tho, if Disney wanted to, they could have pressed it, but they didn't.

True but Disney didn't ask Microsoft to do this. It was the other way around and they came to an agreement. Regardless there was a version that was planned and due to Microsoft it was cancelled. That's how it went. Not the same thing as MLB or Spiderman if that's what you believe.

 

[MasterCornholio]

That is why it's about $$$.

It's not whether MS can make spiderman or not.
It's about Disney and marvel being ok with both outcome, considering both companies are getting the $$$.

Your wrong though. Microsoft shot marvel in the face. Sony invited them in.

Hopefully that makes more sense to you.

 

[mckmas8808]

Glad people are picking up on this 2-faced lie that MS has been pushing now.

 

[adamsapple]

True but Disney didn't ask Microsoft to do this. It was the other way around and they came to an agreement. Regardless there was a version that was planned and due to Microsoft it was cancelled. That's how it went. Not the same thing as MLB or Spiderman if that's what you believe.

No I'm not saying this is the same as the Spider Man scenario, just that Disney is the IP holder and this wouldn't have happened without their go. MLB is the closer example, without MLB's intervention, that game would also still be PS exclusive.

 

[GHG]

Name the announced PlayStation games MS canceled.

MS has offered Sony, Nintendo, and Steam assurances that CoD would remain or be added to their platforms. It does not sound like you know much about this deal at all.

Starfield, Redfall and Indiana Jones.

More to follow.

 

[feynoob]

Your wrong though. Microsoft shot marvel in the face. Sony invited them in.

Hopefully that makes more sense to you.

At what part of $$$ is hard to understand?

 

[Banjo64]

No I'm not saying this is the same as the Spider Man scenario, just that Disney is the IP holder and this wouldn't have happened without their go. MLB is the closer example, without MLB's intervention, that game would also still be PS exclusive.

I thought you were leaving about 20 minutes ago?

 

[Varteras]

Let me just say I have it on good authority that they talk about me in that little discord of theirs

Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a picture of a Middle Eastern man with a crown?

 

[adamsapple]

I thought you were leaving about 20 minutes ago?

Leaving the zoom call, not the fuckin' planet my man

 

[DeepEnigma]

Disney is the IP holder and this wouldn't have happened without their go.

So no more "moneyhats™" Just a deal between two parties?

You sound like a "Sony Pony" defending such accusations. I wonder why that is?

 

[Varteras]

GHG

Best I can do

 

[GHG]

Leaving the zoom call, not the fuckin' planet my man

If you're thinking of going anywhere, don't use oceangate.

Stick drift can be a bitch.

 

[MasterCornholio]

No I'm not saying this is the same as the Spider Man scenario, just that Disney is the IP holder and this wouldn't have happened without their go. MLB is the closer example, without MLB's intervention, that game would also still be PS exclusive.

Oh but still believe that drop the act it's not the same as Spiderman.

Jeez learn to read.



Just kidding but yes Microsoft made the move to cancel the PS5 version and they could do it with the previous contract. So they made a new one with Disney that drops the PS5 version in exchange for some money.

I disagree with feynoob saying it's the same as MLB and Marvel.

 

[Clear]

The owner of the IP sets the rules, yes... and can also dedicate himself to just choosing between several proposals. The proposal of having an Indiana Jones game with a lot more budget and production values may be perfectly sufficient. Going out on PS5, sorry, does not assure you to sell millions more and that the game is a success.

No it won't, because to do that they would be defining the value of their IP as being less significant than the licensee's ability to exploit it effectively.

The presumption would always be that this team, working to this budget and this timescale is going to deliver a high-quality product on these platforms. Why would they partner with anyone that would be so careless as to tarnish their very valuable IP?

They are the ones doing the favours here! Doubly so when their erstwhile partner is the one flip-flopping in order to better serve their own interests!

 

[Sleepwalker]

I really hope the xbox gaf federation get paid more than their peers, they have a hard time here compared to the ez mode over at ree and twitter.

 

[MasterCornholio]

At what part of $$$ is hard to understand?

Sony didn't pay more than Microsoft did. Microsoft simply didn't have the means to make it so they rejected Marvels offer.

How hard is that for you to understand?

It wasn't a bidding war between the two.

 

[adamsapple]

So no more "moneyhats™" Just a deal between two parties?

You sound like a "Sony Pony" defending such accusations. I wonder why that is?

The moneyhat is implied with the renegotiation. But things like that or the promise of exclusive development don't stop the IP holder, see MLB. They *made* Sony make an Xbox and Switch version despite the franchise being pretty successful as an exclusive.

 

[Nydius]

Well to be fair epic really doesn't release many games. The only AAA games they've really released were gears, the unreal games and Fortnite. Everything else were mobile games or shadow complex. So technically they were kinda small and Indieish

This would be like arguing that Guerrilla Games is “kinda small and indieish” because they only release one game every 4-5 years. I’m other words, ludicrous.

You cannot disentangle Epic Games from Unreal Engine. They are one and the same. You cannot argue Epic Games is some small “indieish” company when they are the de facto standard for engines, have basically created an entire subset of gaming via Fortnite, and are out here moneyhatting games away from Steam.

Anyone who calls Epic Games an indie developer deserves the laughter they have directed toward them.

 

[devilNprada]

Okay.
Activision had the rights to Spider-Man.
Marvel were unhappy with Activision's shit Spider-Man games.
Marvel got the rights off Activision and Bobby Kotick told them to find their "unicorn" (dev who can make a better Spider-Man game)
Marvel went to Xbox to make an exclusive Marvel game and Xbox said no.
Marvel then went to Sony and offered any Marvel IP and Sony asked Insomniac.
Insomniac asked for Spider-Man and got it.

Now if Sony owned the gaming rights, then why did Marvel look to take the Spider-Man property off Activision? Sony would own the rights and Marvel fuck all. Sony would be looking for the IP back.

Sony only owns the movie rights.

So... Disney then now pays royalties to Sony for a series based on a video game Sony pays royalties to Disney for...

The Irony

 

[user friendly]

Where can this be watched? Or are we just going off twitter updates?

 

[FritzJ92]

You're talking about the licence sony has owned since 1998?

Or something else?

Sony never owned the license for games, only movies. Two separate things. but someone already gave valuable content around how Xbox turned the deal down initially.