"Microsoft has tried the first path and it did not work at all. We believe we have a meaningful subscription service." - Jim Ryan

I finally agree with him.

TALK THAT SHIT JIM

The GamePass model is an industry curse and it needs to die. Glad Sony is staying put and not folding. Make good games. Sell them.
 
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Jinzo Prime said:
I hate ALL subscription services, Playstation Plus included. Go back to making games and stop with gASS nonsense!
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At least when it comes to Jim and PlaySyation they don't have the means to destroy this industry and they still care about quality.

People here are complaining about Jimbo comparing PS+ and GP? Seriously??? Is that all your brains can compute? while at the sametime celebrating a service that will shake up this industry in ways were there's no return. It's shocking to say the least.
 
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If MS have 70 millions to burn into AB, MS have millions to gift games on GP.
GP model is only sustainable if you have millions to burn, and it's not representative of a model anyone could adopt.
 
Whitecrow said:
If MS have 70 millions to burn into AB, MS have millions to gift games on GP.
GP model is only sustainable if you have millions to burn, and it's not representative of a model anyone could adopt.
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MS went from charging people $400 a year for Office to $10 a month and it didn't kill them.
 
Elder Legend said:
Do you care about the companies value more than your consumer rights/values? These companies are not your friends. But one of them is a lot more consumer friendly than other. Pick your poison. I personally don't care if it devalues or values the company more. I care about how subscribeling to a services benefits me, not anyone else.
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Jim Carrey What GIF


How is any of that relevant to me pointing out you've misunderstood his quote? Seems like you might care too much about one of the companies if you're getting this overly defensive for them. 🤣
 
What a bunch of...

They have close to 50 milion subs because they're including the basic online tier in it. . According to the latest leaks Microsoft has more than 30 milions of GP plus more than 10 milions of live gold (nor gp core) 30+10=40 milions.

Jim Ryan is just defending their decision to not offer their games day 1 but using a very weak argument for that.
 
Both Phil Spencer and Jim Ryan seem to both be really arrogant and oversell their services. I don't think Jim Ryan should talk given the sudden price increase of their service. I do think GamePass is value destructive, but I have no idea what Sony is doing with the PlayStation brand anymore. It has completely lost me but seems to be pulling in a large audience.
 
I'm just not into Subs

GamePass has been a huge disappointment so far. I thought Starfield would turn the corner but it's yet another 7/10 game on a sea of 7 or below titles on GamePass

I will gladly and preferably pay full price for better quality.
 
The more games get percieved as cheaper and cheaper with these subs, the more consumers are dissuaded by the full priced game. When games become more expensive to make but cheaper to play on subs, something has got to give. Eventually game companies will have to pivot their game making process: cheaper and quick releases of cookie-cutter games to satisfy the sub model and/or free to play, MTX ladened, Gaas games.

In simple terms: a conveyor belt of games that people rally against on Gaf.
 
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Gamepass is a better service by far for the consumer. It's not even close. Not even sure it's subjective with the sheer amount of quality offerings.

Maybe the financial model Sony uses works better for them, but I could not care less.

I've had both services and cancelled both.
 
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Dr. Wilkinson said:
I think Game Pass is wonderful, as a consumer. I love the try before you buy aspect, and I try so many games that I normally would never ever pay for without having had a chance to play first. I'm sure I'm not alone.

I don't care about the business, I'm a customer. No one else should either, unless you are financially dependent on Microsoft. Let them figure out the business so you (we) can enjoy the games and the services they provide.
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Preach Amy Poehler GIF by Sisters
 
Syphon Filter said:
gamepass sucks and devalues games, sony needs to focus on non subscriptions.
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I agree and I think Jim Ryan agrees.

The price increase of PS+ is a step to devalue their subscription service. But for those who really like subscription with plenty of games can still do so, but for a hefty price.

What's not good is the increase of PS+ basic. Gamers subscribe to basic not for the games but for the online play.
 
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Represent. said:
I finally agree with him.

TALK THAT SHIT JIM

The GamePass model is an industry curse and it needs to die. Glad Sony is staying put and not folding. Make good games. Sell them.
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Yea pure 🔥🔥🔥

Meanwhile they are significantly jacking up the prices on their own subs, so even if you don't care about the games you have to pay more to play online and access your cloud saves.

Talk that shit, Jim!
 
mitch1971 said:
The more games get percieved as cheaper and cheaper with these subs, the more consumers are dissuaded by full priced of game. When games become more expensive to make but cheaper to play on subs, something has got to give. Eventually game companies will have to pivot their game making process: cheaper and quick releases of cookie-cutter games to satisfy the sub model and/or free to play, MTX ladened, Gaas games.

In simple terms: a conveyor belt of drab.
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Exactly. I used to spend around $400-600/year on games, now I only preorder PS 1st party games and barely preorder other games. PS+ Extra with the monthly games kinda keeps me afloat, along with the fact that I'm not really that much into gaming lately and been enjoying GAF more than gaming itself with all the funny stories and banter.
 
Not really sure why he's saying anything it all right now. You'd thinking the engagement team there would be telling him to say nothing about anything the way Phil is hogging the spotlight with these leaks.
 
Bo_Hazem said:
Exactly. I used to spend around $400-600/year on games, now I only preorder PS 1st party games and barely preorder other games. PS+ Extra with the monthly games kinda keeps me afloat, along with the fact that I'm not really that much into gaming lately and been enjoying GAF more than gaming itself with all the funny stories and banter.
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Every trailer I see for games nowadays, I think 2 things. 1. How are they going to fuck it up with MTX's, and 2. I'll wait for it to hit a sub.
 
Edgelord79 said:
Not really sure why he's saying anything it all right now. You'd thinking the engagement team there would be telling him to say nothing about anything the way Phil is hogging the spotlight with these leaks.
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He's not. This is from the leaks. It's a quote from his testimony.

Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem Maybe it's worth adding that in the OP? I think people are getting confused and thinking this is a PR statement?
 
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Elder Legend said:
It absolutely is. Plenty of incredible games for Day 1 with subscription including all first party and even some solid 3rd party titles like Lies of P.
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I will disagree with this one. While certainly PS Plus Extra isn't amazing, it does have a pretty good back catalog of variety of titles including a great number of Japanese games.

GamePass relies on mostly strength of MS1st party which is pretty lacking. So it's tomato / tomatoe. I am not renewing either, but if I did decide on one I would take PS Plus Extra (on yearly sales) due to better (for me) back catalog.
 
Cancelled my Premium sub when they increased the price, just not worth it for me anymore when the delays makes me buy the games anyway, it's a service for LTTP gamers.
 
Flutta said:
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At least when it comes to Jim and PlaySyation they don't have the means to destroy this industry and they still care about quality.

People here are complaining about Jimbo comparing PS+ and GP? Seriously??? Is that all your brains can compute? while at the sametime celebrating a service that will shake up this industry in ways were there's no return. It's shocking to say the least.
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Change is a good thing, especially in an industry that has been stagnating and moving more towards unsustainable massive budget games.
 
I've not been on console for years now, but I had gamepass for PC for about 18 months straight (runs out this month), and barely touched it. There were so many constant months with absolute dribble being added or games that were released already being added or of course games being added I already owned. I appreciate user experiences vary and even futher between PC and console.

I saw a lot of people in a few different places complain about the gamepass catalogue. Only this last month have I seen most people praise it for the likes of Starfield and Lies of P being so close together, but generally it's not exactly a must have for me.

I found myself using gamepass more of a demo type of service to see if I like the game enough to buy it on Steam e.g Atomic Heart, Back for Blood, Ghostwire Tokyo, which I then decided against buying. (On PC its stupid the extra steps you have to take to delete gamepass stuff from your drives. Its a big negative for me. A normal format doesn't even work i.e I format the drive, but xbox files are still there, so have to use command lines like in diskpart)

I also found that the fact it was so cheap (using the xbox gold upgrade trick that's now gone) it kinda devalued the service for me.
It was like when I had chipped my ps1 or ps2 etc and could play any game I wanted, it took so much joy out the games. Just felt empty to me.

The Sony price jump (and it was big) for seemingly the same service and content is pretty horrible. Again as an outsider, I've seen people in a few places say they won't renew their sub so its gonna be interesting to see if less players who pay a lot more will be better than more people paying "less".
 
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Tal Shiar Agent said:
Even with the stupid price increase, PS+ Premium and Extra is still significantly cheaper than GamePass per year.
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Do huh now? PC Gamepass is $10/mo, Console $11/mo, and Ulimate $17. PS+ is $10, $15, and $18. Gamepass' annual sub is also significantly cheaper even at full price, with a year of Ultimate clocking in at only $120 (i.e. 2x $60 Core cards). PS Extra is $135, and premium is a whopping $160. The fuck you smoking to arrive at "significantly cheaper"?
 
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mitch1971 said:
The more games get percieved as cheaper and cheaper with these subs, the more consumers are dissuaded by full priced of game. When games become more expensive to make but cheaper to play on subs, something has got to give. Eventually game companies will have to pivot their game making process: cheaper and quick releases of cookie-cutter games to satisfy the sub model and/or free to play, MTX ladened, Gaas games.

In simple terms: a conveyor belt of games that people rally against on Gaff.
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I already see these kinds of replies from gamers. More and more refuse to pay full price for games and want everything super cheap while offering them 50+ hours of entertainment. Games aren't judged on their quality, but to a "price per hours" value. It is changing the way games are being made. I watched the same happen with mobile games before they went Freemium and I am seeing the same results.
 
johnjohn said:
Change is a good thing, especially in an industry that has been stagnating and moving more towards unsustainable massive budget games.
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Change being brought by GamePass and MS is not good though. It can be seen from the leaks that MS is aiming to acquire as much as regulators let them, don't really care or can't determine quality of their output, are hostile to game ownership and in general are behaving like MS of old before that anti-trust lawsuit.
 
Playstations subscription service is even worse. Man, fuck both Phil and Jim. These guys are both premium assholes and deserve each other.
 
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SenkiDala said:
In fact it is better because since before this month, you just needed Xbox Live to play online, not GPU (or GP Core), so all those GPU subs were from the people who subbed for the service GP, not for the online only. While on the 50M of PS+ subbers I guess at least half of the subs are from people who just buy the "cheapest" PS+, just to play online. At least it is what I see around me.
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And vast majority of GP subs are $1 conversion trick people did while buying 3 years of Gold.
 
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Reallink said:
Do huh now? PC Gamepass is $10/mo, Console $11/mo, and Ulimate $17. PS+ is $10, $15, and $18. Gamepass' annual sub is also significantly cheaper even at full price, with a year of Ultimate clocking in at only $120 (i.e. 2x $60 Core cards). PS Extra is $135, and premium is a whopping $160. The fuck you smoking to arrive at "significantly cheaper"?
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3 Core cards equal 1 year of Ultimate nowI believe. They changed it recently. Well, and have to wait for the sub to expire.

PS Extra you can catch on yearly 25-30% sales. PS Premium is pointless.
 
Bo_Hazem said:
PS+ happens to have more games I care about, honestly. Glad you're enjoying your time with these games. PS+ monthly games are still very solid + Extra. Xbox Gold is a joke at this point. Getting many good AAA games via both basic PS+ and Extra. Also great when you have kids with all the good family-friendly selection you have = no need to spend on bullshot games.

Overall, the PS+ Extra has 100% better games than GamePass yet cheaper and including online gaming + 3 monthly games.
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I agree with this, PS+ is just a much better service right now than Gamepass. A good selection of AAA games each month for every taste and not riddeled with b-teir indie games like gamepass. I do look forward to play the new Forza though on my series x, but thats all
 
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