Game Pass is the best thing that has happened to the games industry in years, especially for consumers. It requires a variety of game sizes and genres, and delivers a ton of high quality content, so not sure where the "they don't care about quality" comes from... They need high quality content to get new subs and keep them subscribed. They've also done nothing to attack game ownership..
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"Microsoft has tried the first path and it did not work at all. We believe we have a meaningful subscription service." - Jim Ryan
Crispy Gamer
Member
This is really old but I guess there's nothing like refreshed outrage
Edit: Actually it's just Jim repeating himself
seems like a new interview
Edit: Actually it's just Jim repeating himself
seems like a new interview
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
More into it:
"We will do what we are doing right now, which is to become less reliant on 3rd Party games and 3rd Party royalties, and to make more 1st Party games. If we double our share of 1st Party games, which are more profitable than the 3rd Party royalty stream, it will bring down our reliance on 3rd Party games." "That is the single biggest thing, and one of the main reasons why we are embarking on M&A. I would like to point out that we are also growing our existing studios, increasing capabilities and their ability to output in various areas including live services. I feel like this part deserves a lot more attention than it currently gets. Large M&A gets all the headlines, but there is a lot going on, and growing your studios organically successfully is a smart thing to do."
"We will do what we are doing right now, which is to become less reliant on 3rd Party games and 3rd Party royalties, and to make more 1st Party games. If we double our share of 1st Party games, which are more profitable than the 3rd Party royalty stream, it will bring down our reliance on 3rd Party games." "That is the single biggest thing, and one of the main reasons why we are embarking on M&A. I would like to point out that we are also growing our existing studios, increasing capabilities and their ability to output in various areas including live services. I feel like this part deserves a lot more attention than it currently gets. Large M&A gets all the headlines, but there is a lot going on, and growing your studios organically successfully is a smart thing to do."
StereoVsn
Gold Member
This is a lot of generic nonsense. Maybe for some people it’s better but in general Microsoft’s output has been very subpar.
I have had GamePass for a few years and finally cancelled it. Got it on the cheap and it was still generally pointless. I would have been better off just buying a few games here and there on sale. Well, maybe not for the stupid good conversion prices they were running.
MS is attacking game ownership by converting people to sub service and planning to eliminate physical risk media.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
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yeah they seem to do horrible, i have seen the numbers.
they should listen to johnhohn@neogaf
Robbinhood
Banned
I actually chuckled. Enjoy paying a subscription for games that release once every 10 years.
Topher
Identifies as young
Elder Legend
Banned
Yea, Call of Duty releases once every 10 years I forgot.
The Alien
Banned
What didn't work about GamePass?
To say that path was 'tried and it didn't work at all. I'd crazy. With half the install base but 2 twice the subscribers, id say its going well. Id also sau that path is far from 'tried'....I get the vibe it's still early/beginning.
The $80B invested in Bethesda and ABK seems pretty much a guarantee that MS thinks that GamePass is going pretty well.
To say that path was 'tried and it didn't work at all. I'd crazy. With half the install base but 2 twice the subscribers, id say its going well. Id also sau that path is far from 'tried'....I get the vibe it's still early/beginning.
The $80B invested in Bethesda and ABK seems pretty much a guarantee that MS thinks that GamePass is going pretty well.
rapid32.5
Member
First party games need to prove their quality, so far games worth GamePass material.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
More mergers and acquisitions.....
They have to, but don't expect any large scale ones. Arrowhead with the new Helldivers 2 might be next after Housemarque.
SlicedBread3
Member
I'm confused myself.
Get me the link and I'll put it on the OP gladly.
Ok, so apparently this part was actually unredacted before. I guess some people are only picking up on it now because they're going through all of the documents after the leak?
https://www.ign.com/articles/sony-b...s-believe-xbox-game-pass-is-value-destructive
"During his pre-recorded testimony for an evidentiary hearing between the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and Microsoft, Jim Ryan claimed publishers do not like Microsoft's video game subscription service because it is "value destructive".
"I talked to all the publishers, and they unanimously do not like Game Pass because it is value destructive," Ryan said during his testimony.
Just before that, Ryan claimed Game Pass is unprofitable for Microsoft. "The Game Pass business model appears to have some challenges, and Microsoft appears to be losing a lot of money on it," Ryan said."
Haint
Member
No its 2:1 now, hence why I said 2x Cores is a year of Ultimate. 3x Cores would be 18 months. It used to be 1:1. You can also find Core cards on sale much more often at deeper discounts than Sony's once or twice a year. Matter of fact they're pretty much permanently $40-$50 (or less) somewhere. They're currently $37 on CDkeys, making a year of Ultimate only $75.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Added your post to the OP.
Represent.
Banned
Thats an entirely different issue. What he said about Game Pass, adn it not being good for the industry is all I care about here. He's right. And the fact thta other devs/pubs behind the scenes are in agreement is nothing but a good thing.Yea pure
Meanwhile they are significantly jacking up the prices on their own subs, so even if you don’t care about the games you have to pay more to play online and access your cloud saves.
Talk that shit, Jim!
So yes, pure fire.
apple_of_enlightenment
Member
Wow, that's like double the PS5 install base. Congrats Sony.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I always hate the X is ok but Y is not
Small is ok but large is not
Where is this imaginary line where (and who) deems it no longer ok?
StereoVsn
Gold Member
$80b investment means that MS has more money then common sense. If they couldn’t rely on literal unlimited funding (while firing developers and engineers all over the company), non of this nonsense would happen.
Of course regulators don’t care.
Topher
Identifies as young
Pretty much going to echo what
HeisenbergFX4
said. Endorse Sony making acquisitions and to me that's an endorsement of acquisitions in general. Can't have it both ways. Just don't like the road the industry is going down.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
It used to be 2 x Live gold for a year of Ultimate though plus a month basically once the $1 trick got killed. So $120 /year total I think. Might be misremembering.
Sleepwalker
Member
None is ok IMO, the industry would be better should those billions go towards funding new studios, creating new employment and generating new IP. But these acquisitions are hardly ever about dev talent, it's an IP war. The industry is creatively bankrupt.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Look at it this way. Buying small studios that help nurture YOUR OWN FUCKING IP's *sorry* vs buying a mega 3rd party publisher and block other platforms.
You're smart enough to know the difference.
ManaByte
Gold Member
More mergers and acquisitions.....
He said MS bought Activision because GP failed, but then said they're going more acquisitions. Does that mean PS+ failed then? Oh Jimbo.
Topher
Identifies as young
Buying "small studios" is not going to reduce Sony's reliance on third parties. I don't believe for a minute that Sony is limiting themselves in that way.
Haint
Member
You are misremembering, it was straight 1 year Gold translated to 1 year of Ultimate. They only killed that a few months ago, and changed it to 2:1.
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mansoor1980
Member
great news from jimbo , microsoft better be afraid.
sankt-Antonio
:^)--?-<
Its not that far off of a comparison. 7 billion for a, at the time, already failed company to have a foot in the mobile space was as outrageous a move as the Blizz / Acti deal.Yes, let's compare Microsoft from those ancient days, especially when the market was different. And yes, let's compare a mobile phone company purchase for 7 Billion vs 80 billion for a game company in the year 2023. Solid apples to oranges comparison. Keep on trucking you are doing good Lil Timmy.
And they have the assets, studios and IP and can sell these at any time in the future, with only (if any) small loss, depending on how they handle these IP's.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
How so? They're already seeing first hand how they can't just pump out new games in a much faster pace without sacrificing quality except Insomniac, despite all their studios are growing larger. Handing their IP's like Helldivers to 3rd party is a sign that their own studios have their hands full and can't do more.
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StealthGoblin
Banned
Well he wasn't wrong was he?
People will be shocked when they see that PS+ numbers won't drop as much as they expect after that price increase.
Disclaimer: a premium user
People will be shocked when they see that PS+ numbers won't drop as much as they expect after that price increase.
Disclaimer: a premium user
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
You don't have a damned clue what you are talking about.
GamePass Core on Xbox, which only includes online MP and 25 games, is indeed $9.99 a month.
To actually get the GamePass catalog you need Ultimate, which is $16.99 a month. Ultimate has no yearly discount.
One year of GamePass Ultimate paid monthly is $204. One year of PS+ Premium is $160. Even if you bought four of the 3-Month Ultimate cards every year that is still $180.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Jim Ryan is weak and can't bring about the end of Xbox
I can
I hope you will all support me
I can
I hope you will all support me
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
I hope that if they get a large one they will simply do it Bungie style. Especially with square what would they care if they can profit from the Nintendo fanbase that probably isn't cannibalizing their sales?
killatopak
Member
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Yearly $160 Premium vs $180 yearly for GPU
A2una1
Member
It is a thing of perspektive. For devs in general, I can see it beeing sub optimal to be on game pass, depending on the game. But for the consumer game pass is a very attractive thing and far ahead of what psn is offering. If it will harm the gaming industry in the long run we will have to see...
Microsoft is still needing a over the top game some kind of must-have. Starfield is a very good game, but it isn't good enough for the long lasting wow effect I think. Meanwhile Sony is living by there repuatation of delivering wowing games. But to be honest Sonys games are also "only" very very good, but also not that wowing anymore ( or mabye I'm getting old and not that flashed anymore
).
Haint
Member
A base console Gamepass is sold separately without online play, it's $10.99/mo (they hiked it $1 a couple months back). MS sells their annual subs through 12 month Core Cards, it's not a hack or secret, they advertise it on the dashboard evertime you turn on the console. Redeeming an annual Core card gives you 6 months of Ultimate. It works the same way as Sony's annual cards, where you can buy a year of essential, redeem it, then pay extra to upgrade tiers.
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Topher
Identifies as young
That's all fine, but it doesn't explain how buying small studios reduces Sony's reliance on third parties. To me, this is clearly about less reliance on Call of Duty. Helldivers isn't going to do jack in that regard. Neither will small studios. I'm willing to be that Sony has its eyes on a major acquisition. Either that, or Jimbo is just talking shit.
And if I'm going to point to the reason for Sony's lack of output then I'd say it because of their retooling for all this Gaas nonsense.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It all should pan out in the near future, before 2027.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Topher
Identifies as young
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
He is right and wrong
And I ain't gonna leave anything out, premium v premium, no essential or extra crap
That's a different story and has their own problems
For a business Gamepass simply doesn't work but it is great for customers that are taking advantage of it.
So no one here saying "Gamepass is great" has a valid opinion because that is no up for debate.
You can say all you like, it doesn't change the fact that it's not sustainable long term and will do more damage then good.
With that said
But PS+ is extremely overpriced and severely lacking.
And as long as people keep subscribing it'll be good for business.
But for the customer?
It's a piss poor
And I ain't gonna leave anything out, premium v premium, no essential or extra crap
That's a different story and has their own problems
For a business Gamepass simply doesn't work but it is great for customers that are taking advantage of it.
So no one here saying "Gamepass is great" has a valid opinion because that is no up for debate.
You can say all you like, it doesn't change the fact that it's not sustainable long term and will do more damage then good.
With that said
But PS+ is extremely overpriced and severely lacking.
And as long as people keep subscribing it'll be good for business.
But for the customer?
It's a piss poor
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It better. Because otherwise....
Xbox leaving the games industry would be better for everyone - Reader’s Feature
A reader doubts Microsoft’s claim that it would ever exit the games industry but admits he wouldn’t be upset if they did.
metro.co.uk
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
This would be a lot more meaningful if they weren’t running a game pass competitor of their own that is shittier. If this were Valve or Nintendo saying this, ok.