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Microsoft plans to put Call of Duty on gamepass - wallstreet journal
Killjoy-NL
Member
Wondering though, what idiot is going to spend tons of money on MTX for a rented game?
Because that's basically what it is. Quite a gamble.
Because that's basically what it is. Quite a gamble.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
First party stuff stays on the service in perpetuity, outside of rare licensed exceptions like the older Forza games.
FalsettoVibe
Member
SEGAvangelist
Member
I also wonder what kind of revenue this will bring in from existing subscribers. I'm much more likely to grab a season pass and some skins with CoD as part of my sub.
SportsFan581
Member
CoD's venn is much more extensive than GP's. I doubt the overlap there would do all that much to sales, and even less to the bottom line. This is a game that makes most of its money from in-game purchases and not the base sale anyway.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Microsoft to add next Call of Duty to Xbox Game Pass, WSJ reports
The next Call of Duty arrives in October.
www.theverge.com
vaibhavpisal
Member
Those who wanna play it will either buy it or subscribe to gamepass.
Sales are not going to simply vanish into thin air immediately cause they put it on gamepass.
More important is how good the game is and if people are interested in playing it. Other stuff, like how they wanna charge you for it, let them decide.
Sales are not going to simply vanish into thin air immediately cause they put it on gamepass.
More important is how good the game is and if people are interested in playing it. Other stuff, like how they wanna charge you for it, let them decide.
Killjoy-NL
Member
I get that, but let's say you play for a year, GamePass would already be more expensive. Even more so if MS does raise the sub fee to $25 or whatever their plans supposedly are.
Realistically, all the other games are just perceived value.
It also would devalue COD as a franchise, because it's on GamePass, so why pay full price?
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Time to destroy all value of some of the most valuable brands in the medium. MS is a blessing because they can make mistakes that would’ve otherwise sinked anyone in the business. And they’ll act as a shining examples in business for years to come.
Sony and Nin strategy at this moment is to not interfere with Xbox’s own stupidity, I guess.
Sony and Nin strategy at this moment is to not interfere with Xbox’s own stupidity, I guess.
dem
Member
So then I guess buy the game if that’s all your gonna play?
More options… the horror
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
XboxEra - Every First Party Xbox Game Will Launch Day One on Game Pass - Sarah Bond
Could not find this posted. In a recent interview at the Bloomberg Technology Summit Sarah Bond said: “And the last piece is about game pass. We know our core users love game pass, game pass is a gaming subscription, you get a whole portfolio of games, but importantly you get every single one...
Moriarty1889
Member
Yes they are because Phil and Co. are braindead. They are beyond stupid and have not learned or seen what it has done to them and the brand thus far. Or they just don’t give a damn and are trying to destroy themselves completely. So obsessed with gamepass subs they let it run the Xbox brand into oblivion.
rm082e
Member
From what I could find, it looks like about 20% of COD sales have been on Xbox the last few years. Given you have to have Game Pass Ultimate to play this game online*, it sounds like they're going to give up roughly that amount of sales.
Even if they increased Game Pass subs by 10 million people (which seems impossible), would they even be breaking even on Game Pass?
*Edit: I just realized I was looking at the wrong thing on the Xbox website and Core gives you online multi-player. So I guess the question is: Will Game Pass Core get Call of Duty, or only Ultimate? If it's only Ultimate, then they're banking on Core subs upgrading for $7 a month?
Even if they increased Game Pass subs by 10 million people (which seems impossible), would they even be breaking even on Game Pass?
*Edit: I just realized I was looking at the wrong thing on the Xbox website and Core gives you online multi-player. So I guess the question is: Will Game Pass Core get Call of Duty, or only Ultimate? If it's only Ultimate, then they're banking on Core subs upgrading for $7 a month?
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Its still going to do massive numbers on PS and PC (people wont switch from BN to gamepass)
How small is the actual market for people buying it on Xbox?
Killjoy-NL
Member
XXL
Gold Member
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Killjoy-NL
Member
True, but GP is also on PC, so it might be reason for the same concerns, just to a lesser extent.
It just seems like a risky move, imo.
Generic
Member
So? Players aren't shareholders.
dem
Member
MS would gladly trade for subscribers, if they could get them..
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djjinx2
Member
CoD is my only game, I have GamePass.
Will I pay £20 for early access and a "free" bundle. Of course I will.
Will I still sink around £50 yearly on battlepass + skins. Of Course I will.
So are MS really going to lose stupid amounts of money I would say no as the growth in Subs and new users to the platform (who may invest in Xbox further) should offset lost money in sales alone
Will I pay £20 for early access and a "free" bundle. Of course I will.
Will I still sink around £50 yearly on battlepass + skins. Of Course I will.
So are MS really going to lose stupid amounts of money I would say no as the growth in Subs and new users to the platform (who may invest in Xbox further) should offset lost money in sales alone
Pelta88
Member
Basic and I truly basic analysis told Microsoft early on that putting COD in GP would be value destructive.
But XB is chasing a PR win despite the consequence for the rest of the division. Pure, unfiltered, and not from concentrate, incompetence. At least the Fallout will be fun to watch.
But XB is chasing a PR win despite the consequence for the rest of the division. Pure, unfiltered, and not from concentrate, incompetence. At least the Fallout will be fun to watch.
wipeout364
Member
I don’t know how many actual COD players there are on here. Those who actively play would know that the initial purchase is just a small revenue stream compared to the in game store and battle passes. Black cell in particular is massive and two black cell passes essentially cost the same as the game.
I only say this because the way people post it would seem that Microsoft is giving away COD when the reality is likely quite different. I suspect the majority of revenue is from the store not the initial sale.
Based on my time playing which is a lot there are a massive number of blackcell purchasers given the they are easily identified by tracers and skins.
I only say this because the way people post it would seem that Microsoft is giving away COD when the reality is likely quite different. I suspect the majority of revenue is from the store not the initial sale.
Based on my time playing which is a lot there are a massive number of blackcell purchasers given the they are easily identified by tracers and skins.
Negotiator101
Member
What the new release? surely not? back catalogue would be enough IMO.
Thing is will the loss of sales be couteracted by the boost in subscriptions?
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Thing is will the loss of sales be couteracted by the boost in subscriptions?
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Aguero9320
Member
If/when they put it on Game Pass they know it will reduce traditional sales. They are banking on it increasing subs, and thinking long not short term - because they can afford to do it. They are trying to change the market.
People hurr-hurring about less sales are missing the point (from Microsoft's perspective). They don't care, they are rowing in a different direction, like it or not, and only time will tell if their people are right, or the people on here...
People hurr-hurring about less sales are missing the point (from Microsoft's perspective). They don't care, they are rowing in a different direction, like it or not, and only time will tell if their people are right, or the people on here...
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
This seems like such a huge gamble. Will Microsoft kill Gamepass if this doesn’t result in some significant growth in subscriber #s?
Killjoy-NL
Member
Astray
Member
I think this is a move to justify a price increase on gamepass (either via a straight-up price hike on existing subscribers, or via introducing new more expensive tiers). It makes no real sense otherwise to me.
This Xbox management keeps finding new ways to burn money with no real ROI potential, they must have a folder on Satya or something lmao.
This Xbox management keeps finding new ways to burn money with no real ROI potential, they must have a folder on Satya or something lmao.
One of the last earning reports for ATVI before the acquisition got finalized said that their COD business on Xbox is "too small to mention" or something like that, so I'm guessing that's what's emboldening them to do this?
They haven't been breaking even on Gamepass, the best words we ever heard about it is that it's "sustainable", which does not inspire confidence. The shuttering of studios etc doesn't inspire confidence either.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Welp, here we go. I'm not going to call it a "last ditch effort" because it's a loaded phrase, but it's very much the litmus test.
If they don't see a sharp GP subscriber increase and simultaneously noticeably lower unit sales, then a strategy pivot is in order. There's nothing else in their portfolio that will have as much potential impact, nothing.
If they don't see a sharp GP subscriber increase and simultaneously noticeably lower unit sales, then a strategy pivot is in order. There's nothing else in their portfolio that will have as much potential impact, nothing.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Trade in chump change for the millions in sales? This is the reason Gamepass was never sustainable. People who were going to buy the game now will pay for a few months or just enough to get their fill instead of the 70+USD they've been charging for these glorified expansion passes.
Astray
Member
I think he goes if this doesn't work.
xHunter
Member
Is there going to be a new tier for this?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Why not both.