Microsoft strikes back; hacked consoles are being banned from XBL! scumbags am cry

bishoptl said:
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Anything that kills piracy in its tracks is fine by me. Go get 'em!
Pretty much.
But either way, this is a fantastic thing. And it's a shame they can't brick people's OS on PC's when they steal a game and invalidate the serial permanently :P.
 
Ranger X said:
How does it affect them? Anyways, my only point is that a hacked console could become unusable. I mean, they won't go on live and Microsoft will lose 60$. They can copie hundreds of games and make devs loose thousands...
The idea is to find a safe way to detect wich console has been hacked and wich one is legit. I'd be confident in them to find a way.

If they could find a way that modded people would be banned without an false positives then yeah brick the system. They (The pirates) should not be still able to play their copied games

-Edit- It might be too early to jump the gun banning reports are pretty random at the moment. It does seem likely though
 
Ranger X said:
How does it affect them? Anyways, my only point is that a hacked console could become unusable. I mean, they won't go on live and Microsoft will lose 60$. They can copie hundreds of games and make devs loose thousands...
The idea is to find a safe way to detect wich console has been hacked and wich one is legit. I'd be confident in them to find a way.

I affects some legit user because just like with the first xbox it can make mistakes when detecting if a system is modded or not.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
To be clear, dual-booting to get on Live meant that you were running the system in a pre-mod state at that moment and couldn't be using a copied game. No big deal to those who were into the mods for XBMC anyway.

Most cheating on Live was more about using hacked save files which triggered all sorts of 'special' behavior, and you really didn't even need a modded system for that.
Right, I understood his question to be about using Live with the modchip activated. I remember reading some speculation that some people figured it out, but I didn't put much stock into it.
 
ECMs to brick systems is a bad idea, one mistake and you could wipe out millions of legit buyers' systems. You'll never see such an initiative.
 
Now this is excellent news, for two reasons:
- Pirates are getting banned, and that's always a good thing
- The great minds that find the hacks will get back to work and maybe find a way to get around the hypervisor with recent kernels too. I'd love to have real homebrew stuff on the 360 because it's clear that the XNA things won't ever be as good as good as their original C/C++ counterparts.
 
Blimblim said:
Now this is excellent news, for two reasons:
- Pirates are getting banned, and that's always a good thing
- The great minds that find the hacks will get back to work and maybe find a way to get around the hypervisor with recent kernels too. I'd love to have real homebrew stuff on the 360 because it's clear that the XNA things won't ever be as good as good as their original C/C++ counterparts.

Yeah, would love to see homebrew on the 360 but the people in the scene don't seem bothered :/ Mainly because the majority of sceners are happy with their copied games
 
angelfly said:
I affects some legit user because just like with the first xbox it can make mistakes when detecting if a system is modded or not.

Ok. Well, the error rate was good or bad on Xbox? Seriously, if it's a guy here and there, they could send their Xbox and have a replacement or something. They could pull off something like that if they wanted to.
 
I just got banned as well after halo 3 beta... I am using an original store-bought retail disc of crackdown, downloaded the halo 3 beta using it, got to play for about 3 hours then banned.

I am also not using a modified dvd-drive or firmware hack at the moment. I did used to use a hacked Hitachi 47 drive with FW 2.3 before the Spring update. Admidst all the ban talk I decided to flash back to original firmware and not use back-ups for a while. I did this before the Spring update.

I now get the banned message when doing a network test (note when you do a network test you only see the banned message in "More Info" under Network Adapter or IP, not under Xbox Live).

This means that either MS have been loggin poeple playing back-ups for a while, even before the spring update, or there are indeed false bans happening as some people are reporting. I know there were a lot of false bans with GoW when that came out, and poeple were let back on after a few days. I hope that's the case this time for me!
thx to DarkAngelYuna for the forum link.
 
MiloFoxburr said:
Yeah, would love to see homebrew on the 360 but the people in the scene don't seem bothered :/ Mainly because the majority of sceners are happy with their copied games

:(

That's a bummer. Screw copied games, I just want XBMC-HD.
 
Ranger X said:
Ok. Well, the error rate was good or bad on Xbox? Seriously, if it's a guy here and there, they could send their Xbox and have a replacement or something. They could pull off something like that if they wanted to.
The error rate was very very near zero, if not really zero. Lots of people who said they had been banned for no reason either lied or had their little brother or whatever forget to switch off their modchip once. I've seen it happen dozens of times on my forum, and I've not seen one person getting banned and being able to actually prove their Xbox was totally unmodded.
 
Like I said in the other thread - good.

It was for nothing but pirating games - they should just brick the 360 automatically as well too...
 
The Faceless Master said:
what would they spot if the original firmware was put back on though?

I dunno, not a technical person but something could of been modified even on the original firmware could just be a value thats out of place. The original method of extracting firmwares could of of been flawed though I doubt that.

Also the person who posted that is a 1 poster (On that other forum) I'd take what he said with a grain of salt for the moment at least
 
I just got banned as well after halo 3 beta... I am using an original store-bought retail disc of crackdown, downloaded the halo 3 beta using it, got to play for about 3 hours then banned.

I am also not using a modified dvd-drive or firmware hack at the moment. I did used to use a hacked Hitachi 47 drive with FW 2.3 before the Spring update. Admidst all the ban talk I decided to flash back to original firmware and not use back-ups for a while. I did this before the Spring update.

I now get the banned message when doing a network test (note when you do a network test you only see the banned message in "More Info" under Network Adapter or IP, not under Xbox Live).

This means that either MS have been loggin poeple playing back-ups for a while, even before the spring update, or there are indeed false bans happening as some people are reporting. I know there were a lot of false bans with GoW when that came out, and poeple were let back on after a few days. I hope that's the case this time for me!


This post defies all logic when he claims that he may be a victim of a false ban.
 
MiloFoxburr said:
Chances are their detection method can spot any type of modification even if the original firmware is put back on


I'm not sure what they are doing, as the hack is a drive firmware update so that the drive reports 'yep, this is a genuine 360 disc sir' when asked, even if its a DVDR.

Maybe they are doing something like RCE did on DVD, to try and ask more awkward questions of the drive, or perhaps somehow they can get the drive to report more detailed information that lets them know?

I'd love a proper mod chip for something like XMBC, but to be honest I think both 360 and PS3 will eventually be close enough in basic media handling to make that not necessary for me at least.
 
mrklaw said:
I'd love a proper mod chip for something like XMBC, but to be honest I think both 360 and PS3 will eventually be close enough in basic media handling to make that not necessary for me at least.

For the PS3 at least the RSX just has to be unlocked in Linux for the system to become an excellent media system
 
They don't actually detect mods, they use the scene-release of Crackdown to identify hacked systems as far as I understand. The scene-release was a beta, it's slightly different from the retail version, and MS can detect this. If someone runs the beta, it's fair to assume his box was modded.
 
Blimblim said:
The error rate was very very near zero, if not really zero. Lots of people who said they had been banned for no reason either lied or had their little brother or whatever forget to switch off their modchip once. I've seen it happen dozens of times on my forum, and I've not seen one person getting banned and being able to actually prove their Xbox was totally unmodded.
Except for those people who sent their xbox in for repair and got a new hard drive.
 
Maxconsole said:
just like it was stated before it is just a random server error.what happens is your playing then you get disconnected from xboxlive message.then you can check your connection and it wont go on xboxlive ,everything else is okay.

give it half hour or so and you will be fine.

So people have differing idea's on what is wrong
 
this screen has been around for ages, u get it also when u have bad NAT issues

if somehow the send/ack packets weren't match up correctly with THEIR network then possibly you'd get a banned msg in the header info

now, MS COULD be using the screen to tell banned firmwaresers that they are banned, but it coudl just be coinkydink
 
i got my xbox 1 banned from live with halo 2. it was a perfectly legit copy of halo 2, but my xbox did have a mod chip (disable-able) in it i used to run xbmc. i always had it off while playing halo 2, so they must have added some sort of hard drive scan to the ban procedure. they probably just checked for xbmc files and banned the system if it found any on the hard drive. now i just use my 360 for multiplayer halo 2.
 
Skilotonn said:
Like I said in the other thread - good.

It was for nothing but pirating games - they should just brick the 360 automatically as well too...

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(sorry - had to be done...)

I agree though - Piracy is a bad thing and has made the PC game scene far less proffitable. If this happens to the current Gen consoles due to their memory cards & HD it hurts regular gamers far more than the cassual market.
 
crunker99 said:
this screen has been around for ages, u get it also when u have bad NAT issues

now, MS COULD be using the screen to tell banned firmwaresers that they are banned, but it coudl just be coinkydink

Heres hoping they are actually banning people..
 
Who knows what MS is doing or even how they are doing it.

I'm willing to bet they have been data mining every 360 on live for some time, and know more about each console than we think they do.

It makes sense to bide your time and wait until 500,000 or so theives are online and then flick a switch to ban them all. Plus with the Halo beta being so hot right now you might sell a couple of hundred consoles the next day...
 
Wow, this sure is something! Strange though, they have been able to do this since the first firmware mod and yet have waited so long.
 
were is the photoshoped poster of empire strikes back with peter moore and bill gates faces............:lol
 
Sjoerd said:
Wow, this sure is something! Strange though, they have been able to do this since the first firmware mod and yet have waited so long.

They wait until the pathetic ****tard asshat pirates find something they can't live without (Halo 3 beta) and then they take that away from the cocksmokers.
 
from another blog:
"But what about the thousands of people who have received refurbished boxes. What if they have come from a modder and then the new owner gets banned for no fault of his own!

I sure hope MS repair service runs a clean firmware in each of them before sending to new owners or all h*ll will break loose. "

This is true since we all know the MS repair service isn't very thorough and I'm pretty sure they have not been checking firmwares in the past.
 
I'm thinking they should include it on the games themselves since all this will do is stop people from using Live. People aren't going to give up their mods for Halo 3 beta. They'll just wait until September to play the full version. Putting the protection on the games themselves is the best way.
 
Is fine to ban the consoles , but I suggest the ones that are asking to brick the systems to study laws. Do you imagine Ford destroying your car when you change de tires?
 
Wow, the other day my buddy who has a modded 360 was telling how it is impossible for Microsoft to detect any changes. He kept pushing me to mod my 360 so I could play all the games that he likes that I was unwilling to buy. I told him I was worried that Microsoft would be able to eventually find out about it through Live and I would get banned. He just laughed at me.

Edit: I didn't get it modded due to my fear.
 
Uncooked said:
Wow, the other day my buddy who has a modded 360 was telling how it is impossible for Microsoft to detect any changes. He kept pushing me to mod my 360 so I could play all the games that he likes that I was unwilling to buy. I told him I was worried that Microsoft would be able to eventually find out about it through Live and I would get banned. He just laughed at me.

Edit: I didn't get it modded due to my fear.
Fear leads to good?

Yoda was wrong!
 
Sjoerd said:
from another blog:
"But what about the thousands of people who have received refurbished boxes. What if they have come from a modder and then the new owner gets banned for no fault of his own!

I sure hope MS repair service runs a clean firmware in each of them before sending to new owners or all h*ll will break loose. "

This is true since we all know the MS repair service isn't very thorough and I'm pretty sure they have not been checking firmwares in the past.

If you open your console they can tell (sticker breaks or something). That is breaking the terms of service so you won't get your warranty honoured. They probably just trash the 360's that come in and have been tampered with.
 
Jan said:
Is fine to ban the consoles , but I suggest the ones that are asking to brick the systems to study laws. Do you imagine Ford destroying your car when you change de tires?
analogies are like a fruit salad, they don't always come out right.
sweet delicious analogies.

also, you're wrong.
 
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